Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

[RAMOSS]

Lol. So it hasn’t happened yet? Further proof that it has been the left doing the things that have already been done. Glad to know though the the Antifa are on these right wing group’s mailing lists so they can share them with the rag media The Guardian. Also good to know The Guardian and the Antifa are so close. All of this explains a lot. Thanks for posting.

You don't read very well, do you?

 

[PNW Guy]

And there it is. Napoleon deliberately and intentionally conflates the overwhelming majority of peaceful, liberal protesters with the minute numbers of anti-government rioters, yet he's more than willing to make the distinction on his own side of the aisle.

But those protests were ASTROTRURFED (a GENUINE heartfelt uprising of the PEOPLE!) by the Kochs, and they had a REAL grievance, I mean TAXES man, a few more bucks in taxes, or even like nowadays, the TYRANNY of masks, no REAL 'MURICAN would suffer such TYRANNY of having to take actions to protect OTHER PEOPLE. What a VIOLATION of rights and FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As opposed to BLM,which is just sour grapes from criminals being mad they got arrested. Everyone knows minorities bring on police violence to themselves and it's just a bunch of whiny leftists being seditious over a non issue! Plus we pay police to shoot bad guys, everyone knows brown people are mostly bad! Then all they do is complain! Get a REAL grievance, like protesters blocking traffic! Whiny leftists crying about getting shot!

Give the damn cops a break, it's a tough job, they need to shoot ghetto dwellers sometimes to blow off steam. We gotta support our cops man, it's not like they shoot white people that often (ones that matter)!

Dont u no anything? Dumm libturds!!!![/Trumpanzee]

 

[Mr Person]

Lol. So it hasn’t happened yet? Further proof that it has been the left doing the things that have already been done. Glad to know though the the Antifa are on these right wing group’s mailing lists so they can share them with the rag media The Guardian. Also good to know The Guardian and the Antifa are so close. All of this explains a lot. Thanks for posting.

PORTLAND, Ore. — Thousands of members of the far-right Proud Boys plan to mass at a park here on Saturday afternoon, setting up another clash of liberal and conservative extremes in a city that has become the public front line for combustible — and deadly — political conflict. The so-called Western chauvinist group espouses pro-Trump, police-friendly rhetoric, but its members have a reputation for sparking fights with the far left that devolve into mayhem. After four months of steady protests in this city, its choice to bring an armed, extremist crowd from all corners of the country to the Pacific Northwest again turns Portland into an ideological battlefield, a place where speech has crossed a dangerous line into violence. President Trump has fanned the flames, saying that Portland and other Democratic cities condone lawlessness; he has ordered federal agents to take a stand against protesters and to make arrests, creating us-versus-them standoffs that appear bent on pitting the right against the left and characterizing it as good against evil.
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Portland’s nightly, often emotional demonstrations and the presence of an organized antifa group have made easy foils for the Proud Boys and other right-wing activists, who often ride into the city with homemade shields, paintball guns and bear mace. . . . The Proud Boys then began planning a show of force in Portland, after attending other heated events outside the city limits. Organizers expect as many as 10,000 right-leaning activists to attend Saturday, though Tarrio said he is not sure how many members of the Proud Boys, or other similar groups, will show up. Prior Proud Boys rallies have drawn hundreds of people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/25/portland-oregon-proud-boys-rally/

Yup, looks like MR was just lying again. The main problem is right wing extremists showing up to cause violence, knowing that the MRs will simply blame the left for what the right wingers did.

 

[lurchadams]

Well, apparently it's not 'BLM' causing the violence in much of the Portland rallies. Who would have thunk it?

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

www.theguardian.com

Of course it's not. trump's goal all along is to stoke the violence so that he can swoop in with his stormtroopers and look like the big strong man he wants to be. His base loves it. The majority of the people? Not so much!

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Well, apparently it's not 'BLM' causing the violence in much of the Portland rallies. Who would have thunk it?

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

www.theguardian.com

We have to come to terms with the fact that a portion of the Trump-supporting population has been radicalized.

And, just like Muslims did after 9/11, we now have Trump supporters pretending this isn't a problem and making up all sorts of excuses to defend Trump-supporting terrorists.

 

[Moderate Right]

You don't read very well, do you?

It's from The Guardian for Christ's sake. Apparently they've got a red line to the Antifa.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Of course it's not. trump's goal all along is to stoke the violence so that he can swoop in with his stormtroopers and look like the big strong man he wants to be. His base loves it. The majority of the people? Not so much!

So the idiot leftists are playing right into his hands, verifying that they are certainly not a very politically sophisticated bunch. In fact, if you've ever seen them interviewed, they are barely literate.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

PORTLAND, Ore. — Thousands of members of the far-right Proud Boys plan to mass at a park here on Saturday afternoon, setting up another clash of liberal and conservative extremes in a city that has become the public front line for combustible — and deadly — political conflict. The so-called Western chauvinist group espouses pro-Trump, police-friendly rhetoric, but its members have a reputation for sparking fights with the far left that devolve into mayhem. After four months of steady protests in this city, its choice to bring an armed, extremist crowd from all corners of the country to the Pacific Northwest again turns Portland into an ideological battlefield, a place where speech has crossed a dangerous line into violence. President Trump has fanned the flames, saying that Portland and other Democratic cities condone lawlessness; he has ordered federal agents to take a stand against protesters and to make arrests, creating us-versus-them standoffs that appear bent on pitting the right against the left and characterizing it as good against evil.
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Portland’s nightly, often emotional demonstrations and the presence of an organized antifa group have made easy foils for the Proud Boys and other right-wing activists, who often ride into the city with homemade shields, paintball guns and bear mace. . . . The Proud Boys then began planning a show of force in Portland, after attending other heated events outside the city limits. Organizers expect as many as 10,000 right-leaning activists to attend Saturday, though Tarrio said he is not sure how many members of the Proud Boys, or other similar groups, will show up. Prior Proud Boys rallies have drawn hundreds of people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/25/portland-oregon-proud-boys-rally/

Yup, looks like MR was just lying again. The main problem is right wing extremists showing up to cause violence, knowing that the MRs will simply blame the left for what the right wingers did.

Is anyone really surprised that violence begets more violence???

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Um, no. First of all, I don’t have a side of the aisle. Second, the issue is protestors who aide and abet rioters and whether doing so warrants a distinction. You provided zero examples of the tea party aiding and abetting rioters in 2010.

The Tea Party was accused of leaving the protest area cleaner than when they arrived. Of course the same cannot be said for BLM and Antifa, who can't even clean their rooms.

 

[TomFitz]

iLOL How in the world do you get that?
These people are preparing to respond to the violence from the other side.

Here is the original source.

Patriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence - bellingcat

Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of far-right activists.

www.bellingcat.com

I found it interesting. The backers seem to be largely benign (I didn’t see any secret billionaires or Russian front groups)

It seems well researched and credibile. The reporters give their real names (something you don’t see with the right wing stuff).

However, I intend to do some more research before taking this at face value.

 

[Phys251]

Um, no. First of all, I don’t have a side of the aisle.

It's obvious from your posts which side your on. Your actions speak louder than your words.

Second, the issue is protestors who aide and abet rioters and whether doing so warrants a distinction. You provided zero examples of the tea party aiding and abetting rioters in 2010.

You are clearly struggling to remember the words that you wrote. Let me help you:

Who are not even remotely the same thing. The overwhelming majority of protesters are peaceful.

The violent thugs are disproportionately on the Right.

They’ve always been the same thing.

Bet you were perfectly fine with yesterday's Proud Boy thugs in Portland, who yet again assaulted reporters. Like the fascists that they are, they despise the freedom of the press.

 

[bluesmoke]

It has yet been proven that the LW is the only cause of both violence and prop damage at these specific protest. It could just as well be RW. This OP gives more evidence of RW upon previous evidence given that so far, from what I've seen, is more than of LW. We are far from ample evidence to draw anything conclusive, though. The IG is investigating a number of these protest. AG Barr will have something to say about whatever that report ends up being. Nothing before the election might be a good bet.

 

[Captain Adverse]

It has yet been proven that the LW is the only cause of both violence and prop damage at these specific protest.

Perhaps, but it is eminently clear that they are the cause of the vast majority of "organized" violence at such "gatherings." There is, of course, also a group of "opportunistic" rioters, which can be seen in current and past rioting. That would be citizens who see this as an "opportunity to obtain reparations" as some BLM leaders have asserted.

It could just as well be RW.

Possible, but highly unlikely. Unless you want to include responses to attacks from the Left, of the kind police are expected to "tolerate" for fear of demonstrating more "police brutality." Well common citizens "counter-protesting" or simply defending their own property, are not subject to such restrictions and can response in "self-defense."

This OP gives more evidence of RW upon previous evidence given that so far, from what I've seen, is more than of LW. We are far from ample evidence to draw anything conclusive, though. The IG is investigating a number of these protest. AG Barr will have something to say about whatever that report ends up being. Nothing before the election might be a good bet.

This OP actually gives some evidence that other citizens are expressing their rights to both counter-protest and do so while preserving their rights to self-defense.

NOTE...there is no need for self-defense if one's opponent(s) don't seek to attack you. As long as one side stays peaceful, so should the other.

Also recall that many of the "LW protesters" are neither local, nor peaceful.

 

[JMaximus]

If the State or local government is unwilling or unable to defend my rights, then I will do so by any means necessary too.

What you are describing is - unfortunately - the beginnings of a failed state.

 

[Captain Adverse]

What you are describing is - unfortunately - the beginnings of a failed state.

Well what do you think is currently happening in places like Portland and it's home State of Oregon, Seattle and it's home State of Washington, and just about every other State and/or Local jurisdiction currently controlled by Democrat officials?

Not only defunding their police, but often interfering in policing of their jurisdictions allowing lawlessness from those who are NOT "peaceful protesters?"

 

[ludin]

Well, apparently it's not 'BLM' causing the violence in much of the Portland rallies. Who would have thunk it?

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

www.theguardian.com

you weren't saying as portland burned for 3 months you called it peaceful protests.

so using your definition this is just more peaceful protesting.

 

[uptower]

They're not compensating for anything are they...?

 

[bomberfox]

Well, apparently it's not 'BLM' causing the violence in much of the Portland rallies. Who would have thunk it?

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

www.theguardian.com

I knew it was these proud boy/boogaloo boys causing most of the violence, the far right is desperately trying to cling to power even if they have to pull a reichtag fire.

 

[bomberfox]

You are conflating 'riots' with 'protests'. This is a typical piece of right wing misinformation that gets promoted and accepted by the ignorant and naive. Protesting is not rioting.

Its an old tactic thats was even used against Allende. Try to attach the violence to someone no matter how strenuous the connection is.

 

[bomberfox]

Um, no. First of all, I don’t have a side of the aisle. Second, the issue is protestors who aide and abet rioters and whether doing so warrants a distinction. You provided zero examples of the tea party aiding and abetting rioters in 2010.

You are on the trump side of the aisle.

 

[bomberfox]

They choose to commingle so there is no such distinction anymore. The problem is that protestors/rioters have been engaging in arson, looting, extortion, intimidation and cold blooded murder for months. My question stands.

Ive been researching the far right for about 3-4 years now. They have distinct goals of ratcheting up tensions and blending in while trying to look innocent. They’ve done it in portland for years, even as far back as the claim that antifa was bringing hammers to a portland rally to the bowman trying to play innocent when he threatened people with a hunting knife and a bow.

 

[Napoleon]

You are on the trump side of the aisle.

Yeah, that explains my vote for Hillary Clinton.

 

[bomberfox]

Yeah, that explains my vote for Hillary Clinton.

Your actions show more than words

 

[bluesmoke]

Perhaps, but it is eminently clear that they are the cause of the vast majority of "organized" violence at such "gatherings." There is, of course, also a group of "opportunistic" rioters, which can be seen in current and past rioting. That would be citizens who see this as an "opportunity to obtain reparations" as some BLM leaders have asserted.



Possible, but highly unlikely. Unless you want to include responses to attacks from the Left, of the kind police are expected to "tolerate" for fear of demonstrating more "police brutality." Well common citizens "counter-protesting" or simply defending their own property, are not subject to such restrictions and can response in "self-defense."



This OP actually gives some evidence that other citizens are expressing their rights to both counter-protest and do so while preserving their rights to self-defense.

NOTE...there is no need for self-defense if one's opponent(s) don't seek to attack you. As long as one side stays peaceful, so should the other.

Also recall that many of the "LW protesters" are neither local, nor peaceful.

The mounting evidence is that the most extreme violence, killings, is against protesters and not by BLM protesters. You can't show that violence is being caused by LW protesters. Many extreme RW orgs are showing up at BLM protest open-carrying AR-15s, wearing camo and body armor. RW orgs are responsible for more killings in the US, regardless of protest, incl killing LEOs, than any other group of any kind.

 

[Napoleon]

The mounting evidence is that the most extreme violence, killings, is against protesters and not by BLM protesters. You can't show that violence is being caused by LW protesters. Many extreme RW orgs are showing up at BLM protest open-carrying AR-15s, wearing camo and body armor. RW orgs are responsible for more killings in the US, regardless of protest, incl killing LEOs, than any other group of any kind.

That isn’t what the evidence shows. The evidence shows “protestors” murdering a guard so they can loot a pawn shop. The evidence shows “protestors” walking up behind someone and shooting him dead for no reason. The evidence shows tens of millions of dollars in property damage and destruction at minimum. Wearing camo is not violence. Arson, looting, and cold blooded murder is.