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Republicans: Would you vote for a moderate Democrat over Trump?

Republicans: Would you vote for a moderate Democrat over Trump?


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The party of Clinton and even today's party of Obama has gone over to the dark side. The democratic candidates are so far left even my key board can't find them.

So I assume you supported Clinton and/or Obama.
 
Sounds we share the same definition, in which case Obama is the definition of a moderate centrist.

I voted for Obama in 2012. I liked the fact that Democrats often attacked him for not being liberal enough. I was disappointed in him though in his second term.
 
I voted for Obama in 2012. I liked the fact that Democrats often attacked him for not being liberal enough. I was disappointed in him though in his second term.

It's not that Obama wasn't liberal enough, it's that he kept compromising with the Republicans when they had no interest in compromising. That's why people like myself gave up on centrism. If there are two parties of good faith and willing to compromise, a LOT can be achieved. That's not what happened under Obama's presidency. The Republicans tried to sabotage him at every opportunity.

McCain, Palin hint that Obama's policies are 'socialist' - CNN.com

McCain decries Obama's 'socialism' - Washington Times

Rick Perry says Barack Obama is a socialist | PolitiFact

The Republicans are 100% responsible for the Democratic party moving further to the left, and the increasing rejecting centrism. Democrats gave centrism a good try and it blew up in their faces miserably because one side is simply not interested in compromise.
 
Trump is the equivalent of a moderate democrat.

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No, he's the death rattle of the Republican party. Republicans have burned through all of their ideologies, all their cons, all their lies, all their moral arguments, and have decided to make one last 'Score' before they fade into irrelevance and become another Whig Party or Know Nothings. History will not remember Trump or his supporters well.
 
Feeling the pulse of the forum conservatives.

I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I still claim the Reform Party as my party affiliation. I do classify myself as a Goldwater conservative with some of Perot thrown in. I tend to vote for both moderate Republicans and Democrats staying away from extremist. I originally backed Jim Webb in 2016, when he didn't campaign, I switched to John Kasich, when Trump won and it became clear he would be facing Hillary Clinton, I voted third party against both.

far as I'm concerned, Trump is the ideal reason not to vote Republican this time around. Sanders, Warren, a couple of others are prime examples for not voting Democratic. I consider them extreme leftist. Hickenlooper was my first choice, but he withdrew, now I'm looking and hoping Klobuchar, perhaps Gabbard. Although a snowball has a better chance of surviving Hades than either of them becoming the Democratic nominee.

For me candidates matter, political parties don't. I'm looking for someone to provide steady, reliable leadership. Someone to get us back on the path to normalcy. Not someone to yank us far to the left or to the right for that matter.
 
I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I still claim the Reform Party as my party affiliation. I do classify myself as a Goldwater conservative with some of Perot thrown in. I tend to vote for both moderate Republicans and Democrats staying away from extremist. I originally backed Jim Webb in 2016, when he didn't campaign, I switched to John Kasich, when Trump won and it became clear he would be facing Hillary Clinton, I voted third party against both.

far as I'm concerned, Trump is the ideal reason not to vote Republican this time around. Sanders, Warren, a couple of others are prime examples for not voting Democratic. I consider them extreme leftist. Hickenlooper was my first choice, but he withdrew, now I'm looking and hoping Klobuchar, perhaps Gabbard. Although a snowball has a better chance of surviving Hades than either of them becoming the Democratic nominee.

For me candidates matter, political parties don't. I'm looking for someone to provide steady, reliable leadership. Someone to get us back on the path to normalcy. Not someone to yank us far to the left or to the right for that matter.
Are you of the opinion that Trump is shifting policy to the far right?

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I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I still claim the Reform Party as my party affiliation. I do classify myself as a Goldwater conservative with some of Perot thrown in. I tend to vote for both moderate Republicans and Democrats staying away from extremist. I originally backed Jim Webb in 2016, when he didn't campaign, I switched to John Kasich, when Trump won and it became clear he would be facing Hillary Clinton, I voted third party against both.

far as I'm concerned, Trump is the ideal reason not to vote Republican this time around. Sanders, Warren, a couple of others are prime examples for not voting Democratic. I consider them extreme leftist. Hickenlooper was my first choice, but he withdrew, now I'm looking and hoping Klobuchar, perhaps Gabbard. Although a snowball has a better chance of surviving Hades than either of them becoming the Democratic nominee.

For me candidates matter, political parties don't. I'm looking for someone to provide steady, reliable leadership. Someone to get us back on the path to normalcy. Not someone to yank us far to the left or to the right for that matter.

Apparently you are not aware that Trump was a Reform Party presidential candidate in 2000. Pat Buchanan won the Reform Party nomination in 2000, but Trump was a Reform Party candidate along with John Hagelin from Iowa. Trump has never been even remotely conservative. In the 1970s we would describe him as a "Rockefeller Republican," but today they just call them "RINO." People make the mistake thinking that because Trump is not a flaming socialist fascist, like Obama was, that he must be conservative. They couldn't be more wrong.
 
Apparently you are not aware that Trump was a Reform Party presidential candidate in 2000. Pat Buchanan won the Reform Party nomination in 2000, but Trump was a Reform Party candidate along with John Hagelin from Iowa. Trump has never been even remotely conservative. In the 1970s we would describe him as a "Rockefeller Republican," but today they just call them "RINO." People make the mistake thinking that because Trump is not a flaming socialist fascist, like Obama was, that he must be conservative. They couldn't be more wrong.

I was very much aware of that. The Reform Party was one of the eight political parties Trump has belonged to so far and counting. I wouldn't count Trump as a conservative, more as one who hasn't a political ideology at all. He's for Trump and no one or anything else. Trump and Buchanan are two main reason the Reform isn't around anymore.
 
Are you of the opinion that Trump is shifting policy to the far right?

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I don't think Trump has the faintest idea of what the heck he is doing.
 
I don't think Trump has the faintest idea of what the heck he is doing.
Im confused... do you believe he has not had any successful accomplishments or that they are a result of dumb luck?

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It's not that Obama wasn't liberal enough, it's that he kept compromising with the Republicans when they had no interest in compromising. That's why people like myself gave up on centrism. If there are two parties of good faith and willing to compromise, a LOT can be achieved. That's not what happened under Obama's presidency. The Republicans tried to sabotage him at every opportunity.

McCain, Palin hint that Obama's policies are 'socialist' - CNN.com

McCain decries Obama's 'socialism' - Washington Times

Rick Perry says Barack Obama is a socialist | PolitiFact

The Republicans are 100% responsible for the Democratic party moving further to the left, and the increasing rejecting centrism. Democrats gave centrism a good try and it blew up in their faces miserably because one side is simply not interested in compromise.

And now the resistance has set in under Trump. What you are trying to say is that both sides are pieces of ****. I voted for Obama in 2012 because he compromised with Republicans. That's one reason I liked him. But, in his second term, he refused to compromise with Republicans, even though it was the electorate who voted them in. He tried to bypass the Congress any way he could with EO's, etc. The Supreme Court even voted 9-0 that Obama overstepped his authority.
 
So I assume you supported Clinton and/or Obama.

I didn't vote for Clinton either time but I did vote for Obama first time around...but not the second time. And yes I voted for a Bush Three times and Trump this time and will vote for him again.
 
Are you of the opinion that Trump is shifting policy to the far right?

I think at this point in time being left of center is considered by the far left/socialist/progressive candidates to be to extreme far right.
 
Wrong. There's no such thing as a moderate Republican. Y'all too busy throwing anyone who doesn't toe the line under the bus. The extremism of the alt-right makes it appear that that there is no moderate Democrat. But it's only because y'all are so far off the scale as to remove all objectivity.

If you listen to campaign speeches; circa 2008, by former candidate Obama or Hillary, on immigration, for example, Trump believes the same thing now as Obama did then. He also believes the same thing that Bernie Sanders believed in terms of American jobs being shipped overseas and this needing to change. Trump also added laws for family leave, which was a pet issue of his daughter. He is getting the USA out of wars, which had been the goals of the Democrats since Viet Nam. Trump is fairly moderate in terms of other Conservatives. The difference is his style and business background approach to problem solving.

The main problem for the Democrats in 2020, is the Democrats broke laws trying to undermine Trump before, during and after the election. The FISA Court abuse is only the tip of the iceberg. They partnered with fake news and have been selling nothing but speculation, gossip and negative propaganda. They were sore losers, who broke the law, and then took a 180 degree turn on previous Democrats held positions. It is now all about tripping up Trump, with little effort working for the American people.

The Democrats wanted the border wall before there was a Trump. Read the records. Once Trump became successful with this position, the Democrats became two faced and worked to undermine their own previous positions, even if it hurt America. They were blinded by hate and revenge. The current field of Democrat candidates is all about avoiding anything that will give Trump credit. Instead they focus on novelty items, impractical freebies, and half baked ideas, since the original rational Democrat moderate positions are now taboo, since they help Trump.

Although leadership is using this negativity and resistance strategy to win the rebel vote in 2020, the more moderate Democrat base; blue color, will vote on the issues, they have held for life, which now have more in common with Trump. Trump successfully commandeered the greatest hits of the Democrats, so he could commandeer these voters.

There is no Democrats that can compete, since their issues are half baked, and no longer resonate with a sizable fraction of their own base. The Republicans are tight with Trump. The Democrats need to get back to the center and at least pretend to give credit where credit is due to impact part of their conservative Democrat base. If not they will look like criminals and sore losers, who even screwed their own moderate base, just to get even and express hate.
 
I suppose it comes down to how do you define moderate. Positions I look for …

Pro life, pro gun, pro drug, serious plan to tackle the deficit (not going after symbolic but ultimately meaningless budgetary items like foreign aid or NPR and also a plan that goes beyond "tax the rich"), strong supporter of civil rights and government transparency/accountability, entitlement reform, free trade, free markets, and a realistic, American first foreign policy that rejects nation building, perpetual war, and playing world police man.

I'd also like someone who is more concerned with what unites us rather than dividing us as a nation.
 
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