Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

trfjr · May 17, 2013

Perotista said:
may I suggest you take representative Levin's suggestion seriously. Here is what he said:
Taken aback, the ranking Democrat on the committee, Representative Sander M. Levin of Michigan, modified his prepared remarks to warn, “If this hearing becomes essentially a bootstrap to continue the campaign of 2012 and to prepare for 2014, we will be making a very, very serious mistake.”

So Treasury was told there was an IG investigation going on in the IRS. If there is a connection to the White House or President Obama it will come out sooner or later. But so far, there is no smoking gun and you are way ahead of yourself.

What should happen is both parties use this to rein in the IRS. They have way too much power and are really not answerable to anyone. President Obama can only fire two people who work for the IRS, all the rest are civil servants which in order to be fired they have to go through a very lengthy process and everything must be well documented. One party by itself is not enough to curb some of the power the IRS has, it will take both party and to make this a partisan battle is a mistake all Americans will have to live with as the end result will be an even more powerful IRS.

And you want me to take advice from a democrat :roll: it was the democrats who asked the IRS to target these Tea party groups to start with

And i have serious question all the democrats are telling republicans not to score political points but how in the hell do you ask a question that the answer will be damaging to Obama and have it not be considered scoring political points

It is a feeble lame attempt to scare republicans and put a muzzle on them so they wont ask the tough questions that need to be asked to get to the bottom of this

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i was going to let this go but the more i think about it the more it piss me off. how dare you or any one else scold me or the republicans about scoring political points. the dam democrats stood on the graves of children to score political points to push an unconstitutional agenda so DON'T YOU DARE SCOLD ME ABOUT SCORING POLITICAL POINTS

rocket88 · May 17, 2013

Fenton said:
How would you know what Richard Nixon's motivation's were ?

Read "Breach of Faith."

Your'e in here defending a President who is either a hundreds times more corrupt than Nixon ever was or he's so incompetent and disconnected that he could be surrounded by massive amounts of corruption and incompetence and NOT have a clue.

But no one save for a blind Obama apologist beleives that for minute.

Where did I defend him? I said to rake him over the coals. I said it was over, and that's your definition of "defending him?" I seriously believe that you must be unable to read.

Do you actually believe they chose not to fill him in on the IRS's deliberate targeting of Conservative groups ?

According to the OP, that's not the case. Nor did I say I believed it. Again, reading comprehension is not your strongsuit.

For example I know Obama and Jay Carney are lying through their teeth.

They probably are.

I know Hillary is just as much of a low life scum bag as her husband

This thread is not about Bill Clinton. Please try reading.

You can chose to keep being lied to, personally I have to much self respect to put up with a politician lying to my face to cover their ass

And yet you believe that Richard Nixon is some kind of selfless hero? :lamo

Bonzai · May 17, 2013

Perotista said:
Actually with Nixon, Goldwater had a meeting with him and inform Nixon his goose was cooked. He could only round up 20 votes in the senate to avoid impeachment, Nixon needed 34. Whatever else Goldwater told Nixon, he decided to resign. Without Watergate, Nixon may have ended up rank up there in the near great category. Nixon established the EPA, OSHA, the Endangered Species Act, Imposed wage and price controls. He was very outspoken for affirmative action and his drug policy included funds for education. He opened the door to Red China and began detente with the Soviet Union. He also put an end to the Vietnam War.

Nixon accomplished a lot during his presidency, but he will always be remembered for Watergate and none of the above.

I hate to admit , but Nixon reminds me of the good old days, when the Right was made up of hardheaded pragmatists...........Now, I just want to sell them plastic Jesus love beads..........................

Perotista · May 17, 2013

Grant said:
Levin is wrong. He is making it political by claiming that if this or if that. By not continuing to speak out the story will eventually die out, just as the Levin and the Dems want.

And it should effect the mid term elections as well as the next Presidential race anyway. The Dems deserve to be thrown out of office. There has never been this much corruption in any American government for the past 100 years. Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon were nothing compared to this.

I beg your pardon. You may be right about Bill Clinton as all he did was have a BJ in the oval office. The Republicans really overstepped their bounds by trying to impeach Clinton and it cost them. For the first time since 1822 the out of power party failed to gain seats in the House in a president's second term midterm elections. The Republicans lost 5 seats.

All I am saying here, if the republicans over reach like they did going after Clinton, they will pay a price in 2014 and lose seats instead of picking them up. They should be going after the truth and working with the Democrats to curb some of the power of the IRS. This is a golden opportunity. Both parties should be searching to truth, find the problem, fix the problem and knock down the IRS a couple of notches. .

pbrauer · May 17, 2013

trfjr said:
And you want me to take advice from a democrat :roll: it was the democrats who asked the IRS to target these Tea party groups to start with

And i have serious question all the democrats are telling republicans not to score political points but how in the hell do you ask a question that the answer will be damaging to Obama and have it not be considered scoring political points

It is a feeble lame attempt to scare republicans and put a muzzle on them so they wont ask the tough questions that need to be asked to get to the bottom of this

re bold: Do you have a link to you assertion?

The Prof · May 17, 2013

Congressional hearing turns into IRS smackdown as disgraced former commissioner and Treasury Inspector General face tea-party scandal questions | Mail Online

Sander Levin, the panel's ranking Democrat, said the IRS and its employees 'have completely failed the American people' by 'singling out organizations for review based on their name or political views, rather than their activity.'

'All of us are angry about this on behalf of the nation,' the left-leaning Michigan congressman said.

Lois Lerner is the civil servant who heads up the IRS division in charge of evaluating charitable and other nonprofit organizations. Levin called for her head.

'Ms. Lerner should be relieved of her duties.' he said.

We must seek the truth, not political gain.'

Washington Democrat Jim McDermott, a reliable liberal partisan, acknowledged that 'the IRS stiff-armed us, basically, at best,' in past testimony, but defended the agency''s behavior.

Tax 'examiners took a shortcut,' in the face of a flood of new applications for tax-exempt status, he said, 'which they deeply regret'

Still, he conceded that it was wrong to treat groups differently because of their political positions.

'As much as I dislike the right,' he said, 'I think it's wrong to be un-evenhanded in government application' of laws and regulations.

New York Democrat Charles Rangel took issue with the Supreme Court's 2010 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission' ruling, which he said created en environment that resulted in the IRS's malfeasance.

The underlying problem, he said, was a resulting law 'almost written for abuse,' as it prohibits Congress from interfering with 501(c)(4) groups' political spending.

'This is not "Democrat or Republican,"' Rangel said. 'It relates to the integrity of the government.'

'We're on the same side as far as determining how this happened.'

Rangel told Miller that he wanted the 'tens of thousands of IRS employees [to] have the stigma of corruption taken away from them.'

'Whether this is criminal activity or a mistake,' the New York Democrat said, 'I don't know.'

we'll find out, charlie, all in good time

ms lerner, former commissioner shulman (whom tigta told in may, 2012, who lied under oath repeatedly to congress, denying adamantly that tea partiers were subject to any special treatment) and deputy treasury secretary neal wolpin (whom tigta testified today was told on 6-4-12) will appear before evil darrell issa on may 22, next wednesday

worry

The Prof · May 17, 2013

Do you have a link to you assertion?

you are certainly in no position to ask, do you substantiate all your assertions with a source

Grant · May 17, 2013

Bonzai said:
I hate to admit , but Nixon reminds me of the good old days, when the Right was made up of hardheaded pragmatists...........Now, I just want to sell them plastic Jesus love beads..........................

There was probably more religion in 'the good old days'.

There is still a great deal of religion among the Black Democrats, but they are not usually thought of as 'hardheaded pragmatists'

Bonzai · May 17, 2013

I think the American people are entitled to know just how much in taxes the Tea Party isn't paying in taxes because of all their "philanthropic" works............................

Grant · May 17, 2013

Perotista said:
I beg your pardon. You may be right about Bill Clinton as all he did was have a BJ in the oval office.

No he lied to a Grand Jury thereby committing perjury. He had plenty of affairs and no one really cared, but you dont lie to a Grand Jury. Of course he thought he could get away with it, not knowing about that little blue dress. Remember how the media attacked these women??? It was disgraceful!

All I am saying here, if the republicans over reach like they did going after Clinton, they will pay a price in 2014 and lose seats instead of picking them up. They should be going after the truth and working with the Democrats to curb some of the power of the IRS. This is a golden opportunity. Both parties should be searching to truth, find the problem, fix the problem and knock down the IRS a couple of notches.

Do you really believe that Barrack Obama and his supporters are interested in 'going after the truth'? That's too unrealistic, given Obama's record and that of his staff.

The Prof · May 17, 2013

the republican chair

Committee chair Dave Camp, a Michigan Republican, stared down Miller, saying that 'this systemic abuse cannot be fixed with just one resignation.'

'And as much as I expect more people need to go, the reality is this is not a personnel problem,' Camp maintained. 'This is a problem of the IRS being too large, too powerful, too intrusive and too abusive of honest, hardworking taxpayers.'

link above

do you want to argue with congressman camp...

y'know, in front of people?

knock yourself out

Grant · May 17, 2013

The Prof said:
you are certainly in no position to ask, do you substantiate all your assertions with a source

There is the possibility that it was the 'Independents' who went after the Tea Party and like organizations.

Nah, just kidding. It was the democrats all right.

The Prof · May 17, 2013

this guy's in trouble

Illinois Republican Rep. Peter Roskam quizzed Miller about a phone conversation he said he had with Lerner about the planned disclosure, which Miller said was intended to coincide with a disclosure to Congress.

He agreed with Roskam, however, that Congress wasn't told at the same time a question was 'planted' at the bar association conference.

'We called to try to get on the calendar' of the Ways and Means Committee,' Miller said.

'You called to try to get on the calendar?' Roskam asked, incredulous. 'Is that all you've got?'

'It's the truth,' Miller responded.

Under questioning from California Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, Miller said he would not commit to giving Congress his notes, phone records, and other evidence of conversations with Lerner.

Nunes reminded him that Congress could, and might, subpoena them.

In a stunning flashback moment, Louisiana Republican Rep. Charles Boustany played a video clip showing former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman testifying before the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Oversight in March 2012.

'Can you give us assurances that the IRS is not targeting particular groups based on political leanings?' Boustany, the subcommittee's chairman, asked Shulman then.

'There's absolutely no targeting,' the then-commissioner responded in 2012. 'This is the kind of back-and-forth that happens when people apply for 501(c)(4) status.'

Asked Friday if this was a lie, Miller said 'It was incorrect.'

'But whether or not it was untruthful --' he continued, without reaching a conclusion.

'Why did you mislead Congress and the American people on this?' Boustany asked.

'Congressman, I did not mislead Congress or the American people,' Miller responded.

Paul Ryan, the Republicans' vice presidential nominee in 2012, slammed Miller for what he said was less-than-truthful testimony when he appeared before a subcommittee last year. Although he had been briefed by then about the problems with tax-exempt applications from tea party groups, he said nothing.
Miller hid material facts from Congress, Ryan said.

'How can we conclude that you did not mislead this committee?'

Miller fired back. 'I stand by my answers,' he said, saying that the word '"harassment" implies political motivation' on the part of IRS employees.

'There was no political motivation,' he insisted.

link above

mr miller aint no eric holder

that is, he doesn't have any doyen willing to defend him

Perotista · May 17, 2013

trfjr said:
And you want me to take advice from a democrat :roll: it was the democrats who asked the IRS to target these Tea party groups to start with

And i have serious question all the democrats are telling republicans not to score political points but how in the hell do you ask a question that the answer will be damaging to Obama and have it not be considered scoring political points

It is a feeble lame attempt to scare republicans and put a muzzle on them so they wont ask the tough questions that need to be asked to get to the bottom of this

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i was going to let this go but the more i think about it the more it piss me off. how dare you or any one else scold me or the republicans about scoring political points. the dam democrats stood on the graves of children to score political points to push an unconstitutional agenda so DON'T YOU DARE SCOLD ME ABOUT SCORING POLITICAL POINTS

Just advice, not scolding at all. The Republicans overstepped their bounds back when they tried to impeach Bill Clinton and they paid for it in the 1998 mid term elections. Sure they only lost 5 House seats, but that was the first time since 1822 that the party out of power failed to gain seats in the mid term election of a presidents second term.

There is an old saying, those who do not learn from history will commit its same mistakes again and again. Besides their is not R or D next to my name. I distrust both parties. But this was just a warning from shall I say, a third party.

trfjr · May 17, 2013

pbrauer said:
re bold: Do you have a link to you assertion?

"From Max Baucus to Chuck Schumer to Jeanne Shaheen, key Senate Democrats publicly pressured the IRS to target groups that held differing political views and who, in their view, had the temerity to engage in the political process. The IRS listened to them and acted. And other Democrat senators like Kay Hagan and Mark Pryor said and did nothing about it."

Senate Democrats Pushed for IRS Tea Party Snooping Before Criticizing It - Brian Walsh (usnews.com)

you liberals really need to stop only getting your news from Huff and Puff post, Buzz Feed, Mother Jones, Media Maters, and MSNBC because all they are doing is treating you like a mushroom they keep you and the dark and feed you crap

Bonzai · May 17, 2013

The fact that we have flimsily disguised political action groups masquerading as , for all intents and purposes, "charities", like the Tea Party, is a sign of the incredible level of corruption and frightening level of subterfuge that has attached itself, parasitelike , to the American political system. Before Chris Matthews and Carl Bernstein decide they are the leaders of some bipartisan awakening, they should ask themselves how this rotten system came about and why the Leftist "white knights" have essentially been asleep at the wheel these last 30 years.....................

SgtRock · May 17, 2013

iacardsfan said:
As I said, I don't condone it, I would like to point out though that the majority of this occurred under a Bush appointed commissioner.

It started under the Sarah Hall Ingram.

The Prof · May 17, 2013

Bonzai said:
I think the American people...

no one cares what you think, the world is not your mom

lacking links you're outta luck

Perotista · May 17, 2013

Bonzai said:
I hate to admit , but Nixon reminds me of the good old days, when the Right was made up of hardheaded pragmatists...........Now, I just want to sell them plastic Jesus love beads..........................

LOL, good one Bonz. I still think the best president during my life time was Eisenhower. I do miss those good old days too.

Buck Ewer · May 17, 2013

I still don't see the problem with anything the IRS did.
They were suspicious of and investigated political groups whose main platform is to stop all taxes.
If anyone is going to defraud the government on their tax activities it would be the TEA Party.
I believe that anyone belonging to any TEA Party organization should automatically be audited.

Texmex · May 17, 2013

Fenton said:
The problem is unlike Nixon, he won't remove himself for the benefit of the Country. He's not that kind of man as we, the Conservatives have been saying for years now.

Man you don't have a clue, do you? I doubt you were even alive when Nixon was president. Nixon did what was best for Nixon, and then the republicans made sure Ford pardoned Nixon.

The Prof · May 17, 2013

and you're just killing obamacare

Lerner's superior, Sarah Hall Ingram, was the most senior political appointee in charge of exempt organizations reviews during the years when the IRS was targeting right-wing groups. This year the Obama administration has elevated her to a position of authority over the tax implementation of the Affordable Care Act, the president's signature health care overhaul.

Miller called her 'a superb civil servant,' and said he promoted her to her current position.

link above

Perotista · May 17, 2013

Grant said:
No he lied to a Grand Jury thereby committing perjury. He had plenty of affairs and no one really cared, but you dont lie to a Grand Jury. Of course he thought he could get away with it, not knowing about that little blue dress. Remember how the media attacked these women??? It was disgraceful!

Do you really believe that Barrack Obama and his supporters are interested in 'going after the truth'? That's too unrealistic, given Obama's record and that of his staff.

It is true that Clinton lied to congress if I am not mistaken, Grand Jury will do. A censure would have been more fitting and that might have also passed the Senate. There was never a chance the Senate would get the 67 votes needed to convict.

As for Obama, if he was involved it will come out sooner or later. There is not R or D next to my name, so as of now, I am just sitting back and watching. If I see something to get upset about, I will. But so far as the president is concerned. I have seen or heard nothing. But I do feel the IRS needs to be taken down a few notches and set in their place. It will be much easier if both parties do this together and search for the truth together.

The Prof · May 17, 2013

I still don't see the problem with anything the IRS did

LOL!

even obtuse obama can see that

and he's an ostrich

Obama fires IRS chief over 'inexcusable' tax targeting scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk

SgtRock · May 17, 2013

I'm not sure if any of you know this yet but donors to the Romney campaign were also targeted. In fact Frank Vandersloot was first vilified by the Obama campaign then he was audited by the IRS twice. He spent a substantial amount of money defending himself and the IRS didn't find anything out of order with his finances/taxes. Talk about a witch hunt. This guy lost business because of the IRS and the Obama vilification of his character.

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