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Republicans closely resemble autocratic parties in Hungary and Turkey – study

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Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

Quote [lede] from article: " The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study. "

Comment. I've been posting for a couple of years now that there are similarities between the President of the United States of America Donald Trump phenomena* and those to be seen in authoritarian [Ed.: Some use the term 'fascist', though that's arguable,] governments. For those interested in this subject, there's a seminal book by Mrs. Madeleine Albright available, Fascism: A Warning. In the book Mrs. Albright lists specific characteristics of such regimes of the past and present.

I must admit to a certain satisfaction in seeing an actual study of the political situation in these United States of America at the present time.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* I've also stated that President Trump is best understood as the flag or banner of his loyal followers. Using Occam's Razor, it seems the best available Baedeker to understanding their willingness to set aside President Trump as a man and Present Trump as a tweeter and, rather, use him as the banner of their discontent/angst.
 
Hey, if it's fair for righties to call the Democratic party "comunist", it's more than fair to call them "fascist". There are more parallels to fascism in America than to communism. In fact, it was the anti-communist fervor in America that has springboarded us, politically, to where we are now.

Reagan was a very effective demagogue and his anti-government campaign is stil active on the right. The idea of cutting taxes being our highest priority and the myth of tax cuts paying for themselves is one that still drools from conservative lips. It's a lie, of course, that has dug this nation an insurmountable hole to escape from but I still hear it treated like conservative gospel.

Even if conservative fiscal policy weren't destroying us, certainly their animosity to the education system, a fair media, public healthcare and a hundred other points of darkness would do the trick. Being thorough in their treachery, they have left little of American good unharmed.

I believe we are less like Hungary, Poland, etc., than they are like us. We began favoring the filthy rich and using brutality to suppress dissent long ago. This country wasn't created to be fascist but, early on, it became clear that the fascists had an advantage here that has, since, grown exponentially. We evolved to this point, nurtured by the paranoia and lies of the ruling class.

Call them whatever you like. The truth is, they represent ugly greed, apathy to human need and a bottomless well of moral contradictions from which endless suffering for the many may spring. Facist is fine but "assholes" works just as well.
 
Torus34 said:
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

Quote [lede] from article: " The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study. "

Comment. I've been posting for a couple of years now that there are similarities between the President of the United States of America Donald Trump phenomena* and those to be seen in authoritarian [Ed.: Some use the term 'fascist', though that's arguable,] governments. For those interested in this subject, there's a seminal book by Mrs. Madeleine Albright available, Fascism: A Warning. In the book Mrs. Albright lists specific characteristics of such regimes of the past and present.

I must admit to a certain satisfaction in seeing an actual study of the political situation in these United States of America at the present time.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* I've also stated that President Trump is best understood as the flag or banner of his loyal followers. Using Occam's Razor, it seems the best available Baedeker to understanding their willingness to set aside President Trump as a man and Present Trump as a tweeter and, rather, use him as the banner of their discontent/angst.
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I wish you would not refer to Trump as a republican.
 
Torus34 said:
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

Quote [lede] from article: " The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study. "

Comment. I've been posting for a couple of years now that there are similarities between the President of the United States of America Donald Trump phenomena* and those to be seen in authoritarian [Ed.: Some use the term 'fascist', though that's arguable,] governments. For those interested in this subject, there's a seminal book by Mrs. Madeleine Albright available, Fascism: A Warning. In the book Mrs. Albright lists specific characteristics of such regimes of the past and present.

I must admit to a certain satisfaction in seeing an actual study of the political situation in these United States of America at the present time.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* I've also stated that President Trump is best understood as the flag or banner of his loyal followers. Using Occam's Razor, it seems the best available Baedeker to understanding their willingness to set aside President Trump as a man and Present Trump as a tweeter and, rather, use him as the banner of their discontent/angst.
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Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
 
Bullseye said:
Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
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Please don't spoil their fun..... some good republican bashing going on here! ;)
 
switt said:
I wish you would not refer to Trump as a republican.
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Why? he has the big R after his name, and you'll embarrassed him wholeheartedly.
 
Bullseye said:
Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
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Not only that, you know what the lefts definition of “autocratic” is? A society that’s not atheistic and communist. Seriously, the whole reason that Hungary is despised by the left is because Orban after winning a democratic election decided to reform the courts to counteract the power of actual Cold War era communists who weren’t purged after the communist regime fell. In effect what Orban did was no different then truth and reconciliation and de-nazification. That’s why the left hates him
 
switt said:
I wish you would not refer to Trump as a republican.
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Why? It's Trump's party now, they don't have a platform anymore besides subservience to Trump.
 
switt said:
I wish you would not refer to Trump as a republican.
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Hi!

I am sorry about that, but the reigning president in these United States is normally accorded the honor of titular party head.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Bullseye said:
Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
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Hi!

I did take the time to look up the word in a decent dictionary prior to posting my comment. I'm sorry that I overlooked noting that in the post. I'll try to do better in the future.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi!

I did take the time to look up the word in a decent dictionary prior to posting my comment. I'm sorry that I overlooked noting that in the post. I'll try to do better in the future.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
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You as well.
 
D_NATURED said:
Hey, if it's fair for righties to call the Democratic party "comunist", it's more than fair to call them "fascist". There are more parallels to fascism in America than to communism. In fact, it was the anti-communist fervor in America that has springboarded us, politically, to where we are now.

Reagan was a very effective demagogue and his anti-government campaign is stil active on the right. The idea of cutting taxes being our highest priority and the myth of tax cuts paying for themselves is one that still drools from conservative lips. It's a lie, of course, that has dug this nation an insurmountable hole to escape from but I still hear it treated like conservative gospel.

Even if conservative fiscal policy weren't destroying us, certainly their animosity to the education system, a fair media, public healthcare and a hundred other points of darkness would do the trick. Being thorough in their treachery, they have left little of American good unharmed.

I believe we are less like Hungary, Poland, etc., than they are like us. We began favoring the filthy rich and using brutality to suppress dissent long ago. This country wasn't created to be fascist but, early on, it became clear that the fascists had an advantage here that has, since, grown exponentially. We evolved to this point, nurtured by the paranoia and lies of the ruling class.

Call them whatever you like. The truth is, they represent ugly greed, apathy to human need and a bottomless well of moral contradictions from which endless suffering for the many may spring. Facist is fine but "assholes" works just as well.
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So were you pro-communist or indifferent to Communism? https://www.amazon.ca/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087
 
Torus34 said:
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

Quote [lede] from article: " The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study. "

Comment. I've been posting for a couple of years now that there are similarities between the President of the United States of America Donald Trump phenomena* and those to be seen in authoritarian [Ed.: Some use the term 'fascist', though that's arguable,] governments. For those interested in this subject, there's a seminal book by Mrs. Madeleine Albright available, Fascism: A Warning. In the book Mrs. Albright lists specific characteristics of such regimes of the past and present.

I must admit to a certain satisfaction in seeing an actual study of the political situation in these United States of America at the present time.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* I've also stated that President Trump is best understood as the flag or banner of his loyal followers. Using Occam's Razor, it seems the best available Baedeker to understanding their willingness to set aside President Trump as a man and Present Trump as a tweeter and, rather, use him as the banner of their discontent/angst.
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Albright might not be the best source, Torus34, but in what area specifically do you think the US President is now authoritarian or fascist?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Conservatives were and are enthusiastic supporters of fascism in the name of “anti-communism” and have been for decades
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You seem to have misunderstood the question to D_NATURED. Would you care to give your views on Communism?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You seem to have misunderstood the question to D_NATURED. Would you care to give your views on Communism?
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I think it’s totally irrelevant, especially in America. Fascism, on the other hand, still has strong support from many on the far right.
 
Torus34 said:
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

Quote [lede] from article: " The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study. "

Comment. I've been posting for a couple of years now that there are similarities between the President of the United States of America Donald Trump phenomena* and those to be seen in authoritarian [Ed.: Some use the term 'fascist', though that's arguable,] governments. For those interested in this subject, there's a seminal book by Mrs. Madeleine Albright available, Fascism: A Warning. In the book Mrs. Albright lists specific characteristics of such regimes of the past and present.

I must admit to a certain satisfaction in seeing an actual study of the political situation in these United States of America at the present time.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* I've also stated that President Trump is best understood as the flag or banner of his loyal followers. Using Occam's Razor, it seems the best available Baedeker to understanding their willingness to set aside President Trump as a man and Present Trump as a tweeter and, rather, use him as the banner of their discontent/angst.
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Nicely analyzed!
 
Bullseye said:
Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
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So you drive without your seat belt? Wow, what a maverick :giggle: :poop: you are!
 
Bullseye said:
Sounds like neither you nor the authors have the first clue what "autocratic" means. Biden's "Mask Mandate" is more autocratic that everything Trump has done in the past 3 1/2 years.
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Yeah its not
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Albright might not be the best source, Torus34, but in what area specifically do you think the US President is now authoritarian or fascist?
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Hi!

Thank you for your interest in my personal opinion. As I've written many times before, President of the United States of America Donald Trump is, for his followers, far more a rallying standard than an individual. No nation need fear a single individual. What should be of concern is a political entity backed by a sufficient number of citizens to effect unified control of government.

I leave it to others to read Mrs. Albright's book, understand what she says in it and then make their own determination of whether or not the characteristics of the present situation fit any or some of the criteria listed.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
D_NATURED said:
I'm unconcerned about communism. Communism is a pipe dream. And, there's been no politically equivalent movement to McCarthyism that targeted fascists instead. Why? Because the fascists have marketed themselves as "normal". They're not. They're worse.
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If I may respond? Thanks.

Communism, and I lived through the McCarthy era and heard much of the hearings, never established a foothold among the American people*. There were a vocal few, but that was all. A few were Russian sympathizers, but the accent should be on the word 'few'. Senator McCarthy, though, did present something of a danger. He was an excellent example of a demagogue who didn't believe in what he was proclaiming. It can be argued that his disbelief was his downfall. He somehow lacked the aura -- the glow -- of a true believer. Now, a number of politicians are guilty of this, but generally they don't do much damage. Senator McCarthy, in a different society with a different history and different values, might well have succeeded. A quietly spoken lawyer who spoke for America was all that was needed to stop him.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

* For what it's worth, socialism, the control by the government of the means of production and distribution, isn't on the horizon, either. Political accusations of 'Socialist!' are simple hogwash.
 
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