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Republican Sen. Mike Lee said fact-checking is a form of censorship

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Republican Sen. Mike Lee said fact-checking is a form of censorship

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10/29/20
During a Senate hearing on Wednesday, Republican Sen. Mike Lee said fact-checking is a form of censorship. The Senate Commerce Committee held the hearing with CEOs of Twitter, Facebook, and Google to discuss Section 230 and Republicans' concerns over censorship online. Senate Republicans said the companies had discriminated against conservative views on their platforms. Lee, the senior US senator from Utah, addressed the CEOs about their content moderation policies, which he said were disproportionately applied to conservative ideologies. He defined what he considered "censorship" in regards to the way content is treated on these platforms. "When I use the word 'censor' here, I'm meaning blocked content, fact check, or labeled content, or demonetized websites of conservative, Republican, or pro-life individuals or groups or companies," Lee said. During the hearing, Senate Republicans largely focused on the tech companies' efforts to fact-check tweets from Trump that contain false or misleading information, particularly about COVID-19 and the election. Earlier this year, Twitter and Facebook both began fact-checking or labeling posts from Trump, among others.
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Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office.

The Republicans are irritated because Twitter/Facebook/Google are fact-checking [habitual liar] Donald Trump, and killing Giuliani conspiracy smears against Joe Biden.
 
To demonstrate why Twitter, for example, is in no way qualified to do comment fact-checking, your comment that " Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office." would not be flagged or censored by Twitter.
 
bubbabgone said:
To demonstrate why Twitter, for example, is in no way qualified to do comment fact-checking, your comment that " Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office." would not be flagged or censored by Twitter.
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I'm not a government official.
 
bubbabgone said:
To demonstrate why Twitter, for example, is in no way qualified to do comment fact-checking, your comment that " Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office." would not be flagged or censored by Twitter.
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Where is the lie in his comment?
 
OMG this is stupid. Trump lies constantly. This violates terms of service. Free market, my word is my bond (when I sign onto TOS), etc. Quit whining conservatives, you're supposed to be rugged individualists and instead you just seem like a bunch of snowflakes.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Republican Sen. Mike Lee said fact-checking is a form of censorship

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Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office.

The Republicans are irritated because Twitter/Facebook/Google are fact-checking [habitual liar] Donald Trump, and killing Giuliani conspiracy smears against Joe Biden.
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I understand his point, assuming the snippet of his quote in your source provides the full context. So-called “fact checkers” have as much bias as anyone else, and that bias can be seen in the comments they make. The problem is there is no objective “gold standard” that’s acceptable to a broad range of ideologies. One side or the other can point to the “fact checker’s” bias as a way to disqualify them.
 
mrjurrs said:
That would be up to you if you claim it is false...show it.
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Proving innocence is not how it works here in the USA. But if you're using that position as an example of a low IQ comment it was clever.
 
Sen Lee also compares Trump to a Book of Mormon hero, “Captain Moroni!”

“To my Mormon friends, my Latter-day Saint friends,” Lee, R-Utah, said as he pointed to Trump standing by his side, “think of him as Captain Moroni. He seeks not power, but to pull it down.”
Lee added, “He seeks not the praise of the world or the ‘fake news,’ but he seeks the well-being and the peace of the American people.”


www.sltrib.com

Sen. Mike Lee says Donald Trump is like Book of Mormon hero Captain Moroni

Americans may have called President Donald Trump just about everything possible this year, good and bad. But standing by his side at an Arizona rally on Wednesday, Sen. Mike Lee called him something new to urge Latter-day Saints to vote for him: “Captain Moroni.”
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is the really an ‘i’ on the end?


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Book of Mormon - Wikipedia

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interesting reading^^^^
 
bubbabgone said:
Proving innocence is not how it works here in the USA. But if you're using that position as an example of a low IQ comment it was clever.
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Innocence? You asked if a position was factual. No courts around here, but if you are using your point to explain why low iq voters accept 20k plus lies...it works!
 
bubbabgone said:
To demonstrate why Twitter, for example, is in no way qualified to do comment fact-checking, your comment that " Senator Lee (R-UT) exemplifies the low IQ types that the GOP advances for public office." would not be flagged or censored by Twitter.
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Nor should trump's claims that he has beaten the virus as it rages in the background be flagged either, right?
 
Not up to the accused to prove an accusation false. You really are a Progressive, aintcha. It shows.
 
What if...? said:
Nor should trump's claims that he has beaten the virus as it rages in the background be flagged either, right?
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No it shouldn't be flagged by social media and more than Biden's claim that the NYP article was false because Twitter censored it.
BUT ... when did Trump say he beat COVID for anyone but himself?
 
He is of course correct, when your fact checkers are a bunch of rabid leftists applying leftist viewpoints in their fact checking.

SNOPES used to be a valid site...back when they werent political. They just examined myths. Then their cofounders both got hooked up with Hillary, one of their cofpounders used their profits for drugs and hookers and ended up cheating on the other cofounder with a porn star, married her, kept the company, and hired an avowed extremist leftist blogger as their 'fact checker'. SNOPES is now a joke....and one that only idiot leftists turn to for confirmation bias.
 
Great, another Republican showing yet again why we cannot have nice things.
 
bubbabgone said:
No it shouldn't be flagged by social media and more than Biden's claim that the NYP article was false because Twitter censored it.
BUT ... when did Trump say he beat COVID for anyone but himself?
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The social media platform gets to set their own standards.

There's nothing stopping the GOP from constructing a competing platform. In fact, just about every hyper-conservative media goofball out there has his own private streaming arrangement they spend a lot of their time pushing their listeners to join.

I doubt they give fair treatment to pro-Biden positions on those systems. Should we compel them to?

P.S. : Trump is claiming COVID is nearly over, when our numbers are skyrocketing. That's an extremely dangerous lie you are ignoring.
 
Moon said:
I understand his point, assuming the snippet of his quote in your source provides the full context. So-called “fact checkers” have as much bias as anyone else, and that bias can be seen in the comments they make. The problem is there is no objective “gold standard” that’s acceptable to a broad range of ideologies. One side or the other can point to the “fact checker’s” bias as a way to disqualify them.
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There are not two different sets of facts. Bias is irrelevant. If it can be shown that something someone said is false, then it should be. No one is entitled to have false statements not fact checked.
 
WillyPete said:
The social media platform gets to set their own standards.

There's nothing stopping the GOP from constructing a competing platform. In fact, just about every hyper-conservative media goofball out there has his own private streaming arrangement they spend a lot of their time pushing their listeners to join.

I doubt they give fair treatment to pro-Biden positions on those systems. Should we compel them to?

P.S. : Trump is claiming COVID is nearly over, when our numbers are skyrocketing. That's an extremely dangerous lie you are ignoring.
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1) Trump never said he beat COVID for the Country. Would you be censored for claiming he did on Twitter? I hope not.
2) I don't want to get going on Section 230 again but, yes, while Social Media can set their own standards, their Congressional carveout carries limitations.
For instance, it's lunacy to think a standard that lists "objectionable" doesn't rely on subjective evaluations.
 
lwf said:
There are not two different sets of facts. Bias is irrelevant. If it can be shown that something someone said is false, then it should be. No one is entitled to have false statements not fact checked.
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I didn’t say there are two sets of facts, but bias certainly plays a role in how those facts are presented. I also never said anyone is entitled to not be fact checked. What I am saying is that fact checkers will shade their comments one way or the other due to their biases. For example, you would probably not accept a fact check done by Fox News because of their biases.

I think the best thing for people to do is to check things out for themselves. Look at multiple fact checkers or read multiple sources on a topic. Like I said, there is no no “gold standard” for fact checkers.
 
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