• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Republican Rep. Barton apologizes to BP for Obama 'shakedown'

Hatuey

Rule of Two
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 17, 2006
Messages
56,557
Reaction score
23,721
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Moderate
Rep. Barton apologizes to BP for Obama 'shakedown' - Yahoo! News

Well, that was fast. Barely 10 minutes into Thursday's landmark congressional testimony — where BP CEO Tony Hayward and other leading company executives are revisiting the Gulf Coast oil spill before a subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee — the first controversial statement has entered the record.

[The latest coverage of the hearings, updated continuously throughout the day, is available from the Associated Press and from Reuters.]

And no, it didn't come from the gaffe-prone BP brass. Instead, GOP Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, the ranking member on the House Energy Committee, made a decisive splash in his opening remarks (from which Republican leaders immediately began distancing themselves). A staunch conservative who has a long record of backing oil industry interests, Barton apologized to BP CEO Tony Hayward for the "shakedown" the Obama White House pulled on the company. (Barton has received more than $1.5 million in campaign donations from the oil industry, according to Open Secrets, a nonpartisan watchdog group.) You can watch the video here — the apology begins at the 1:45 mark:

I wonder what he thinks of car accidents. It must be a "shake down" when somebody hits your car accidentally or otherwise and you expect them to pay for the damages.
 

danarhea

Slayer of the DP Newsbot
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 27, 2005
Messages
43,602
Reaction score
26,255
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Rep. Barton apologizes to BP for Obama 'shakedown' - Yahoo! News



I wonder what he thinks of car accidents. It must be a "shake down" when somebody hits your car accidentally or otherwise and you expect them to pay for the damages.

Joe Barton ought to apologize to me for the State of Texas. I was convicted of DWI almost a year ago, and it cost me about $18,000.00. Never mind that I was a menace on the road, and deserved what I got. I am glad to see someone who is willing to stick up for those who refuse to hold themselves responsible. At this time, I choose not to be responsible for my DWI conviction, and am waiting for the right honorable Joe Barton to apologize to me for the State of Texas shaking me down. Barton is really a good guy, now that he is on the side of the criminally negligent. It's about time someone spoke up for all of them. They have been so poorly represented by our government. LOL. :mrgreen:
 
Last edited:

Gina

Moderator
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 16, 2010
Messages
44,019
Reaction score
29,303
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
Unbelievable. I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility?

How can anyone defend BP?
 

danarhea

Slayer of the DP Newsbot
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 27, 2005
Messages
43,602
Reaction score
26,255
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Unbelievable. I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility?

How can anyone defend BP?

Conservatives DO believe in personal responsibility. Your mistake was assuming that today's Republicans are Conservative. Most of them are not.
 

Gina

Moderator
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 16, 2010
Messages
44,019
Reaction score
29,303
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
Conservatives DO believe in personal responsibility. Your mistake was assuming that today's Republicans are Conservative. Most of them are not.

That's fair enough coming from a self-identified conservative. Thanks!
 

American

Beer Lover Extraordinaire
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
90,446
Reaction score
29,022
Location
SE Virginia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,928
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
Unbelievable. I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility?

How can anyone defend BP?

I don't understand how anyone can call for BP's execs to go to jail, then turn around and defend Obama's response to the spill.
 

danarhea

Slayer of the DP Newsbot
DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 27, 2005
Messages
43,602
Reaction score
26,255
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
I don't understand how anyone can call for BP's execs to go to jail, then turn around and defend Obama's response to the spill.

Well, I for one am not defending Obama. I have pretty much raked him over the coals, because he deserves it. However, this topic is about Barton, and his defending BP. Now why would he be doing that? Could it be because his largest political contributor has a 25% stake in BP's disasterous Deepwater Horizon project? Yup, could be.

But don't take it from me. Nate Silver has all the details.

Now, bashing Obama is OK, especially in this instance, because he deserves it. What the American people DON'T deserve is political hackery. Attack them ALL, not just Obama.
 

Catz Part Deux

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
May 19, 2009
Messages
28,721
Reaction score
6,738
Location
Redneck Riviera
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Moderate
36744_403750327750_720562750_4842544_1523001_n.jpg
 

roughdraft274

ThunderCougarFalconBird
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 3, 2010
Messages
15,980
Reaction score
9,827
Location
Louisiana
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Joe Barton ought to apologize to me for the State of Texas. I was convicted of DWI almost a year ago, and it cost me about $18,000.00. Never mind that I was a menace on the road, and deserved what I got. I am glad to see someone who is willing to stick up for those who refuse to hold themselves responsible. At this time, I choose not to be responsible for my DWI conviction, and am waiting for the right honorable Joe Barton to apologize to me for the State of Texas shaking me down. Barton is really a good guy, now that he is on the side of the criminally negligent. It's about time someone spoke up for all of them. They have been so poorly represented by our government. LOL. :mrgreen:
I have a hard time believing some of the stories I hear about DWI's sometimes. My brother got one when he was 21, about 6 years ago. He spent a night in jail and about a thousand dollars in fines, court costs, pee tests etc. and was on probation for 6 months.
 

The Giant Noodle

DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 22, 2010
Messages
7,332
Reaction score
2,011
Location
Northern Illinois
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
GOP Rep. Joe Barton apologizes to BP

Very politically risky... and did it even make sense to do so??? BP is doing the right thing in my opinion.

VIDEO: msnbc.com Video Player

WASHINGTON - The first apology that rang out in a congressional hearing about the Gulf of Mexico oil spill Thursday was not from BP CEO Tony Hayward.
It was from Texas Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican who apologized to Hayward that BP had to agree to a deal with President Barack Obama to set up a $20 billion fund for Gulf damage claims.
"I'm speaking totally for myself, I'm not speaking for the Republican party ... but I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," Barton said.
He called it "a tragedy of the first proportion, that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown, a $20 billion shakedown."
Barton's point was that BP should pay for damage claims but should be allowed to follow the "due process and fairness" of the American legal system.
But the ensuing gusher of criticism that flowed forced Barton to later apologize for the apology.

CONTINUED: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - Disaster in the Gulf- msnbc.com
 

jujuman13

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 1, 2006
Messages
4,075
Reaction score
579
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I think the Joe Barton's remark was probably not what he actually meant.

BP has, almost from the outset of this disaster, stated unequivocally that BP would be responsible for the clean up costs as well as compensation for all legitimate claims, they (BP) have never sought to wriggle out of their responsibilities.

It is very true that their reaction to both the initial disaster and settlement of claims and release of accurate information has been extremely poor and slow.

It is also very likely they needed a kick up their corporate backside, hopefully this will be administered.

I personally do not like Obama, this is obvious from the various Threads I post.

I am not alone in this dislike, where I and I assume some others agree would be Obama's tactics in hectoring BP every day.
BP has and will continue to do all it possibly can to seal this leak, they are using every technology and the experience and advice from not only their own people but also from every other US Oil Company, it costs everyone and that includes BP Millions every day this leak continues.

Obama, by using the tactics he has has reduced the possibility of BP to continue to function as a viable profitable Company, and ok some of you may well think it better that BP were closed down (With the staggering number of regulatory infractions that they have incurred over the years, this might be a good idea) BUT if BP were to close down, I give you one guess who would pick up the clean up costs tab.

And I also give you one guess as to whom would pay the compensation to legitimate claimants, or indeed if these would ever have been paid.

I would agree that BP has nothing to be proud of other than their insistence that they would pay for clean up and legitimate claims from the start, whereas Obama only managed to get his actions in gear when he belatedly realized that his inaction was costing him politically.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
81,458
Reaction score
36,544
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Re: GOP Rep. Joe Barton apologizes to BP

Yeah, how dare BP be made to set aside money for the inevitable and massive civil suit that will be filed against them? Massive international oil companies shouldn't have to pay for the damage they've done to people!
 

zimmer

Educating the Ignorant
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
24,380
Reaction score
7,805
Location
Worldwide
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
I think it is a fair question to ask, espcially considering the track record of this crew of bandits.
They pass ObiKare with parliamentary procedures never intended for the purpose, and after MA sent Obi a message by electing Brown to Dead Kennedy's seat.

What is stopping them from shaking down an oil executive and company?

Barton shouldn't have apologized.
He should have used recent history to illustrate why he asked such a harsh question.

BP stated they would pay what is due, and stated it repeatedly.
We don't need government administering these funds.
Look at how slow Obama has been in dealing with this mess. Hell a total moron could do better.

Was BP in a shakedown?
Why not release the minutes of the meeting to see how this president handles such situations.

My bet is they were, and Carville coached it in words that indicate that's most likely what happened.

Should Carville apologize too?

.
 
Last edited:

lizzie

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 22, 2009
Messages
28,580
Reaction score
31,552
Location
between two worlds
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Re: GOP Rep. Joe Barton apologizes to BP

Yeah, how dare BP be made to set aside money for the inevitable and massive civil suit that will be filed against them? Massive international oil companies shouldn't have to pay for the damage they've done to people!

The point is that there is already a liability amount that's legal from what I understand. The POTUS has no business coercing BP or any other corporation into paying more than they are legally liable for. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I applaud Barton for his action on this issue.
 

pragmatic

"Pawn in game of life"
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 31, 2009
Messages
2,221
Reaction score
1,031
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Re: GOP Rep. Joe Barton apologizes to BP

The "apology" to BP was a little dicey. Not sure if that was a good idea. But I did listen to some of our US congress pricks grandstanding and thought that was/is a little embarrassing to the country. Since we started televising congressional hearings they have just become video circus venues for politicians to showboat and spew.....



.


.
 

RightinNYC

Girthless
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
25,893
Reaction score
12,484
Location
New York, NY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
I wonder what he thinks of car accidents. It must be a "shake down" when somebody hits your car accidentally or otherwise and you expect them to pay for the damages.

FWIW, I don't think that's really the right analogy.

If I crash into your car, you have the right to seek compensation from me to cover your damages. You institute proceedings, there is a factfinding, a number is handed down, and then I pay you.

In this case, I'd be like BP crashed into your car and then you demanded that they place $20,000 in an escrow account before the proceedings even started.
 

The_Penguin

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 26, 2009
Messages
808
Reaction score
205
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative

RightinNYC

Girthless
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
25,893
Reaction score
12,484
Location
New York, NY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Moderator's Warning:
Threads merged
 

The_Penguin

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 26, 2009
Messages
808
Reaction score
205
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Moderator's Warning:
Threads merged

Ah, that's where my links went :) . Could you please send me a PM next time so that I don't think my thread went into a black hole of the internet ^_^ ?
 

RightinNYC

Girthless
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
25,893
Reaction score
12,484
Location
New York, NY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Conservative
Ah, that's where my links went :) . Could you please send me a PM next time so that I don't think my thread went into a black hole of the internet ^_^ ?

My bad, I thought it automatically subscribed you to the new thread.
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
264,884
Reaction score
82,502
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Top Bottom