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Republican leaders hate workers

You probably support Obama's drilling moratorium.

Of course he does because big oil is bad as he forgets there are unions involved here as well. Very selective support for unions. Wonder if Liberal Avenger has any idea what union employees make including benefits?
 
Ah, but it's a delicate balance. If it were that easy, we'd just pay everybody a minimum of $100,000 a year. Too much money chasing too few goods is another problem we don't want to have. There's no magic potion -- at least none that we've found so far.
Well I didn't mean to imply that workers should be paid a minimum of $100,000 a year, that would be stupid. But one of the biggest problems we have is that workers don't earn enough money to support the economy, so they must borrow it.
 
My apology, Liberal Avenger, I was out of line with that comment.

Now I would appreciate it however if you responded to my post and in addition let us all know what you are doing to create jobs for individuals and paying them a liveable wage? DO you own a business, have you taken any risk, have you invested your own money in a business, ever have an employee steal from you or fail to show up for work forcing you to cover their job? Seems that a lot of people never have run a business so don't have a clue as to the expenses required and how difficult it is to make a living in that business. Over 80% of the businesses in this country aren't those evil corporations you and others seem to hate and very few if any of those mega corporations pay minimum wage to their employees and that includes that evil Wal-Mart

What am I doing to create jobs? I teach people building skills on a volunteer basis. I help them find employment through my business contacts.

Do I own a business? I owned a construction business for 30 years. I receive SS but I usually work about two weeks per month to supplement my income. I am self employed so you could say that I still own my own business. I volunteer two days a week for a large charitable organization.

I have taken many risks and lost lots of money. I have taken a few risks and made some money. I've invested plenty in my business.

I have had plenty of employees steal from me. Some of them were people that I was helping. In my career I would estimate that I have had at least 100k of theft from my business, especially tools and equipment.

Having said that, it does not mean that my opinion is superior to others. I will say that I have gained knowledge that you will never learn from a book.
 
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LiberalAvenger;1058908788]What am I doing to create jobs? I teach people building skills on a volunteer basis. I help them find employment through my business contacts.

Do I own a business? I owned a construction business for 30 years. I receive SS but I usually work about two weeks per month to supplement my income. I am self employed so you could say that I still own my own business. I volunteer two days a week for a large charitable organization.

So how much did you pay your workers and where did you get the money? Who told you what to pay those workers?

You seem to buy the rhetoric that everyone needs a liveable wage but ignore how wages are decided and the costs associated with it. We have a minimum wage in this country, any idea who and how many make that minimum wage? Find out instead of generalizing. What qualifies you to tell other businesses what to pay their workers? Do you know their financial situation, their costs, their market, their competition?


I have taken many risks and lost lots of money. I have taken a few risks and made some money. I've invested plenty in my business.

So you have taken risk, invested and lost money yet you want to tell others what they should pay their workers? If you invested in your business then you know that you are the last one paid in that business. I look forward to you telling us all who told you how much to pay them and how you came to that decision?

I have had plenty of employees steal from me. Some of them were people that I was helping. In my career I would estimate that I have had at least 100k of theft from my business, especially tools and equipment.

So how much should those employees have been paid? could it be they stole from you since you didn't give them a "liveable" wage? Why did they steal from you? Why didn't you pay them more?

Having said that, it does not mean that my opinion is superior to others. I will say that I have gained knowledge that you will never learn from a book.

So you think I got all my knowledge from a book? You do speculate a lot and most of it is wrong. I value street smarts over book smarts and I have both. Worked hard, ran a business, got a college degree, and understand human behavior. You seem to speak out of emotion while ignoring your basic business principles that you cannot pay people more than your business earns. You seem to lack a basic understanding of that concept.
 
That is not what I said.

You most certainly did sir.
Well we have a bounty of food and shelter yet many struggle everyday just to achieve those goals. I would have to argue for a living wage in the neighborhood of 40k depending on the location eg New York City vs Twiddle de Dum Arizona.
You want people to be paid a set amount, around 40k. As if people are entitled to such money. All you'd do is create inflation and devalue money.
 
You most certainly did sir.

You want people to be paid a set amount, around 40k. As if people are entitled to such money. .

I said I want people paid a living wage.

All you'd do is create inflation and devalue money

Okay why?
 
Well we have a bounty of food and shelter yet many struggle everyday just to achieve those goals. I would have to argue for a living wage in the neighborhood of 40k depending on the location eg New York City vs Twiddle de Dum Arizona.

Wages are completely dependent upon supply and demand. If Twiddle de Dum, Arizona wants its residents to be paid higher wages, then they've got to attract more jobs. Or people have to do what I would do, move out.

I know Twiddle de Dum. They've got gas stations, car repair shops, tobacco stores, food stores, a bank or two, a hospital about 30 miles outside of town, some fast food joints, a motel or two, a few attornies, and a WalMart. Their populace lives on public assistance, disability, minimum wage jobs. They feel hopeless/helpless. And still they won't move. Twiddle needs to face reality.

Well I didn't mean to imply that workers should be paid a minimum of $100,000 a year, that would be stupid. But one of the biggest problems we have is that workers don't earn enough money to support the economy, so they must borrow it.

I think you meant to say that workers don't earn enough money to support themselves, so they must borrow it. People borrow money for really good reasons: to finance a major purchase like a car, home, remodeling/additions onto their home. These are great reasons to borrow. Then we have people who borrow money to put gas in their cars, buy food, big screens, vacations. They do that because they don't earn enough money to support themselves in the style they wish to become accustomed.
 
You most certainly did sir.

You want people to be paid a set amount, around 40k. As if people are entitled to such money. All you'd do is create inflation and devalue money.

Doesn't this make you wonder about our education system in this country today and how little many know about business, economics, and finance? Basic supply and demand is ignored by those who call for a liveable wage while ignoring how that wage affects supply of goods and services and thus the price.

I just love the term "liveable" wage being used by people that have never taken any risk, invested their own money into a business, and thus don't understand what that means. Feel good rhetoric that pulls numbers out of the air sounds great to a liberal but ignores reality. Liveable wage is dependent on a number of things but those using that term broadbrushes everything. They broadbrush those evil corporations while ignoring the 80% of small businesses in this country that create most of the jobs and get their money for that so called "liveable" wage from the revenue they are able to generate.
 
I said I want people paid a living wage.
That implies people are owed a so called "living wage".
And you put that at $40k a year.
Why do people on Min-Wage lack the buying power of those who make $40k a year? Because the price of goods and services. IF $40K became the NEW Min-wage, you'd have more people buying things, which would be a temp bump in economic activity, but over time there would be more $$ then things to buy. Supply and Demand would cause prices to rise till, over a period of time, $40k would be like $18k today.

Economics 101.
 
That implies people are owed a so called "living wage".
And you put that at $40k a year.
Why do people on Min-Wage lack the buying power of those who make $40k a year? Because the price of goods and services. IF $40K became the NEW Min-wage, you'd have more people buying things, which would be a temp bump in economic activity, but over time there would be more $$ then things to buy. Supply and Demand would cause prices to rise till, over a period of time, $40k would be like $18k today.

Economics 101.
Well then we'd raise taxes on business for raising prices, and we'd print more money for the poor....and we'd increase minimum wages so they could afford more stuff. ;)
 
So you automatically assume that all people who can't find jobs don't want to work. Is that it?

ricksfolly

Today an unemployed worker gets over two years of benefits not to work. Does that make sense to you? Where is the incentive to get a job?
 
So how much did you pay your workers and where did you get the money? Who told you what to pay those workers?

You seem to buy the rhetoric that everyone needs a liveable wage but ignore how wages are decided and the costs associated with it. We have a minimum wage in this country, any idea who and how many make that minimum wage? Find out instead of generalizing. What qualifies you to tell other businesses what to pay their workers? Do you know their financial situation, their costs, their market, their competition?




So you have taken risk, invested and lost money yet you want to tell others what they should pay their workers? If you invested in your business then you know that you are the last one paid in that business. I look forward to you telling us all who told you how much to pay them and how you came to that decision?



So how much should those employees have been paid? could it be they stole from you since you didn't give them a "liveable" wage? Why did they steal from you? Why didn't you pay them more?



So you think I got all my knowledge from a book? You do speculate a lot and most of it is wrong. I value street smarts over book smarts and I have both. Worked hard, ran a business, got a college degree, and understand human behavior. You seem to speak out of emotion while ignoring your basic business principles that you cannot pay people more than your business earns. You seem to lack a basic understanding of that concept.

That's because I am a socialist bastard and proud of it.
 
That's because I am a socialist bastard and proud of it.

thank you for being honest for probably the first time in your life. There was never a doubt in my mind as you believe it is ok to redistribute wealth and take from those that produce to give to those that don't. This country wasn't built on those principles
 
thank you for being honest for probably the first time in your life. There was never a doubt in my mind as you believe it is ok to redistribute wealth and take from those that produce to give to those that don't. This country wasn't built on those principles

This country was built on slave labor at the beginning.
 
thank you for being honest for probably the first time in your life. There was never a doubt in my mind as you believe it is ok to redistribute wealth and take from those that produce to give to those that don't. This country wasn't built on those principles

This country was built on slave labor at the beginning.
 
This country was built on slave labor at the beginning.

So you would compound the mistakes of the past by implementing the failed socialist model in this country? Interesting, please name for me one socialist model that has been successful and define that success?
 
So you would compound the mistakes of the past by implementing the failed socialist model in this country? Interesting, please name for me one socialist model that has been successful and define that success?

I did not say that. You said it.

I gave a wino five dollars the other day. He bought a bottle of wine and a lotto ticket. He got drunk and had a wonderful evening. When he woke up the next day he discovered he had won 50 million dollars.
 
So you would compound the mistakes of the past by implementing the failed socialist model in this country? Interesting, please name for me one socialist model that has been successful and define that success?
If you want to call Social Security socialist, it has been very successful and will continue to be despite all the doom and gloom from the right. It has never missed a payment and has stopped millions from falling into poverty.
 
If you want to call Social Security socialist, it has been very successful and will continue to be despite all the doom and gloom from the right. It has never missed a payment and has stopped millions from falling into poverty.

Do you have any idea what the purpose was for SS and how much it was projected to cost when implemented? I hardly call it successful. Obviously you don't understand how much you are going to get with SS as it doesn't prevent people from falling below the poverty level and infact puts people who live off SS well below the poverty level. this is just another example of liberal brainwashing and the further we get away from the creation of SS the more distortion as to its purpose.

Want to really blow your mind? Get an investment calculator, put into that calculator every dime you put into SS and every dime your employer puts into SS. Put a very conservative interest rate and see how much you will have when you retire vs what you will get from the govt? Too many people simply buy what they are told and are like little sheep on the way to slaughter.
 
So you automatically assume that all people who can't find jobs don't want to work. Is that it?

ricksfolly

Yeah, that's exactly what I am saying, you sooooo figured me out from that statement.

:roll:
 
Today an unemployed worker gets over two years of benefits not to work. Does that make sense to you? Where is the incentive to get a job?

It's not a hand out. It's unemployment insurance the workers paid for every week.

If there are no jobs, it doesn't matter if you have incentive or not.

ricksfolly
 
It's not a hand out. It's unemployment insurance the workers paid for every week.

If there are no jobs, it doesn't matter if you have incentive or not.

ricksfolly

Wrong, no employee paid for over two years of unemployment benefits. There are plenty of jobs out there just not THE job. Try taking two years of no work to an interview and see how far it gets you. There is a reduced incentive because of 2 years of payments to seek work. Stop being naive. I can see you never ran a business and have no experience in dealing with employees. All aren't what you think.
 
If you want to call Social Security socialist, it has been very successful and will continue to be despite all the doom and gloom from the right. It has never missed a payment and has stopped millions from falling into poverty.

That's right, my friend.
 
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