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I never could understand how a bunch of republican millionaires could trash American workers while receiving the most socialistic benefits on the planet. When they start cutting their own pay and benefits I may listen to the hypocrites.:(

AFL-CIO NOW BLOG | Republican Leaders Boehner, Cantor Trash Workers
Yeah, an AFL CIO blog. That's unbiased. He didn't trash 'em. He said their unions were special interest groups. Fair statement, don't you think?

As to this....

When they start cutting their own pay and benefits I may listen to the hypocrites.:(
Talk to the Democratic Congress. Theyu could do that in a heartbeat. ;-)
 

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I never could understand how a bunch of republican millionaires could trash American workers while receiving the most socialistic benefits on the planet. When they start cutting their own pay and benefits I may listen to the hypocrites.:(

AFL-CIO NOW BLOG | Republican Leaders Boehner, Cantor Trash Workers
Liberal, please explain to us all why an Administration that you claim is for the American worker has almost 16 million unemployed Americans today and has implemented more job killing legislation that prevents the creation of jobs.

What Republicans don't like and I agree is that special interest group called Unions claiming they represent the American worker when all they are doing is destroying the American worker. Unions were bailed out by the "stimulus" plan that has cost this country another 3 million workers and 3 trillion added to the debt. Obama had to develop a new term called "saved" jobs. Now if you can find any chart on BLS that provides the number of saved jobs then I will buy your rhetoric and apologize.
 

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Liberal, please explain to us all why an Administration that you claim is for the American worker has almost 16 million unemployed Americans today and has implemented more job killing legislation that prevents the creation of jobs.

What Republicans don't like and I agree is that special interest group called Unions claiming they represent the American worker when all they are doing is destroying the American worker. Unions were bailed out by the "stimulus" plan that has cost this country another 3 million workers and 3 trillion added to the debt. Obama had to develop a new term called "saved" jobs. Now if you can find any chart on BLS that provides the number of saved jobs then I will buy your rhetoric and apologize.
All of the present day problems were caused by Reagan and the trickle down economic theory which is nothing but a scam to make the rich, richer.

I never hear any republicans complaining about the money given to bailed out bankers and AIG. Most of the complaining by the republicans is about workers who are paid a livable wage and not some fat cat making a few thousand dollars per hour.

I never hear any republicans complaining about an unfair trade policy with COMMUNIST China. I only hear about their complaining about high wages of union employees. Reagan set the union busing precedent when he fired the air traffic controllers.

The reason that the economy is still bad is because the oligarchy would love to see Obama fail. They are the ones preventing the economy from recovering. Once they get rid of Obama they will then get back to business as usual (of underpaying and exploiting the american worker).
 

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Yeah, an AFL CIO blog. That's unbiased. He didn't trash 'em. He said their unions were special interest groups. Fair statement, don't you think?

As to this....



Talk to the Democratic Congress. Theyu could do that in a heartbeat. ;-)
I did not claim that it was unbiased. That's why I posted it in the partisan politics forum. Huh?

If you want to call paying an American worker a livable wage a special interest than so be it.
 

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I did not claim that it was unbiased. That's why I posted it in the partisan politics forum. Huh?

If you want to call paying an American worker a livable wage a special interest than so be it.
I don't want to call paying an American worker a livable wage a special interest group. I want to call specific unions special interest groups. If you can't agree that unions are special interest groups, so be it back atcha.

Between your thread title and the AFL CIO blog link, it was just more than I could bear. ;-)
 

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LiberalAvenger;1058907162]All of the present day problems were caused by Reagan and the trickle down economic theory which is nothing but a scam to make the rich, richer.
Oh, Good Lord, get over your Reagan Derangement Syndrome. How old were you during the Reagan term? You obviously never let facts get in the way of your personal opinion and hatred for keeping more of your own money, if you indeed work.

I never hear any republicans complaining about the money given to bailed out bankers and AIG. Most of the complaining by the republicans is about workers who are paid a livable wage and not some fat cat making a few thousand dollars per hour.

It wasn't only Republicans that bailed out bankers, "Your" President and the Democrats controlled Congress when that happened. Why did they allow it to happen? Why don't you tell us what a liveable wage is since you are the expert? Markets decide pay not politicians.


I never hear any republicans complaining about an unfair trade policy with COMMUNIST China. I only hear about their complaining about high wages of union employees. Reagan set the union busing precedent when he fired the air traffic controllers.
Reagan did the right thing with the air traffice controllers and the people know it, the safety of the aviation industry was at issue. As for complaining about unfair trade policy with China, Democrats have been in charge since 2007 and Obama has been in the WH since January 2009, what have the Democrats and Obama done to resolve the unfair trade policies? Any idea how we are funding the 3 trillion dollars Obama has added to the debt?

The reason that the economy is still bad is because the oligarchy would love to see Obama fail. They are the ones preventing the economy from recovering. Once they get rid of Obama they will then get back to business as usual (of underpaying and exploiting the american worker).
Wow, what spin, Democrats have controlled the legislative process since January 2007 and did nothing to stop Bush, Democrats and Obama have controlled the WH since January 2009 in huge numbers and the results are 16 million Americans unemployed and 3 trillion added to the debt. "Your" President is a fraud, an empty suit, a community organizer that lacks leadership skills. You can not delegate responsibility and that is all Obama does.
 

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I don't want to call paying an American worker a livable wage a special interest group. I want to call specific unions special interest groups. If you can't agree that unions are special interest groups, so be it back atcha.

Between your thread title and the AFL CIO blog link, it was just more than I could bear. ;-)
It's ok with conservatives to have special interest groups like the chamber of commerce who love low wages but when it comes to the worker ya'll claim that they should be demonized for being a special interest group.

The special interest groups who love to break unions and keep wages low far outnumber the one special interest of unions.

I thought this was supposed to be a free country, so to speak.
 

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It's ok with conservatives to have special interest groups like the chamber of commerce who love low wages but when it comes to the worker ya'll claim that they should be demonized for being a special interest group.

The special interest groups who love to break unions and keep wages low far outnumber the one special interest of unions.

I thought this was supposed to be a free country, so to speak.
Everybody demonizes everybody for having special interest groups. Just like you did here. Calling attention to those special interest groups is a far cry from: Republican leaders hate workers.
 

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LiberalAvenger;1058907224]It's ok with conservatives to have special interest groups like the chamber of commerce who love low wages but when it comes to the worker ya'll claim that they should be demonized for being a special interest group.

The special interest groups who love to break unions and keep wages low far outnumber the one special interest of unions.

I thought this was supposed to be a free country, so to speak.

Let me know what that liveable wage is in your world and if you are willing to pay the price for the goods and services that wage requires?
 

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Let me know what that liveable wage is in your world and if you are willing to pay the price for the goods and services that wage requires?
Yes, I am willing. I would say that about 50k a year for a skilled worker with experience would be adequate. In my area right now they want to pay an experienced tradesman with truck and tools ten dollars an hour.
 

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Everybody demonizes everybody for having special interest groups. Just like you did here. Calling attention to those special interest groups is a far cry from: Republican leaders hate workers.
Maybe they don't hate them. It could be the greed that drives rich cons.
 

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Yes, I am willing. I would say that about 50k a year for a skilled worker with experience would be adequate. In my area right now they want to pay an experienced tradesman with truck and tools ten dollars an hour.
Why 50K a year? Why $10 per hour? Why not 100K a year and $20/hr? think a young kid working a part time job at McDonalds is worth $10/hr? By the way in some cities that is what McDonald's pays? See you just don't get it, the market decides what to pay people. no one holds a gun to anyone's head to take a job. Shop your services and see what you can get. What you are trying to do is set wages based upon your own biases and beliefs and not letting the market work. Anytime there is a minimum wage that also serves as the maximum wage that a company has to pay in many areas when if you let the markets work the wages could be a lot higher. Supply and demand!! Get educated.
 

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Why 50K a year? Why $10 per hour? Why not 100K a year and $20/hr? think a young kid working a part time job at McDonalds is worth $10/hr? By the way in some cities that is what McDonald's pays? See you just don't get it, the market decides what to pay people. no one holds a gun to anyone's head to take a job. Shop your services and see what you can get. What you are trying to do is set wages based upon your own biases and beliefs and not letting the market work. Anytime there is a minimum wage that also serves as the maximum wage that a company has to pay in many areas when if you let the markets work the wages could be a lot higher. Supply and demand!! Get educated.
I am educated.
 

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Why 50K a year? Why $10 per hour? Why not 100K a year and $20/hr? think a young kid working a part time job at McDonalds is worth $10/hr? By the way in some cities that is what McDonald's pays? See you just don't get it, the market decides what to pay people. no one holds a gun to anyone's head to take a job. Shop your services and see what you can get. What you are trying to do is set wages based upon your own biases and beliefs and not letting the market work. Anytime there is a minimum wage that also serves as the maximum wage that a company has to pay in many areas when if you let the markets work the wages could be a lot higher. Supply and demand!! Get educated.
oh my......let's see how low we can go. that's what letting the market work would bring. and with that, horrible working conditions, just like in the good old days.
 

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All of the present day problems were caused by Reagan and the trickle down economic theory which is nothing but a scam to make the rich, richer.

I never hear any republicans complaining about the money given to bailed out bankers and AIG. Most of the complaining by the republicans is about workers who are paid a livable wage and not some fat cat making a few thousand dollars per hour.

I never hear any republicans complaining about an unfair trade policy with COMMUNIST China. I only hear about their complaining about high wages of union employees. Reagan set the union busing precedent when he fired the air traffic controllers.
For staging a clearly illegal strike under the Hatch Act, you twit!
 

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oh my......let's see how low we can go. that's what letting the market work would bring. and with that, horrible working conditions, just like in the good old days.
Right, Liblady, businesses abuse their workers and need bigger govt. to protect them. Why don't you just stay home and collect your over two years of unemployment benefits? Instead of worrying about the few businesses that may violate the law and abuse workers, why aren't you worried about a govt. that abuses us all? Obviously you never ran a business but now are an expert on running a business. Why don't you put that excellent business knowledge of yours to good use, take a risk, invest your own money, and pay your workers that living wage you and other liberals believe is fair? For some reason I don't find a lot of those so called liberal experts like you that have ever done that. It is a lot easier whining and complaining from the bleachers vs. getting in there and actually producing something and actually hiring people.
 

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Sorry I can't debate you because you continue to insult me.
No, you insult yourself by your lack of logic, common sense, and facts. It does seem that running is the normal action of a liberal when confronted with just a little logic.
 

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Right, Liblady, businesses abuse their workers and need bigger govt. to protect them. Why don't you just stay home and collect your over two years of unemployment benefits? Instead of worrying about the few businesses that may violate the law and abuse workers, why aren't you worried about a govt. that abuses us all? Obviously you never ran a business but now are an expert on running a business. Why don't you put that excellent business knowledge of yours to good use, take a risk, invest your own money, and pay your workers that living wage you and other liberals believe is fair? For some reason I don't find a lot of those so called liberal experts like you that have ever done that. It is a lot easier whining and complaining from the bleachers vs. getting in there and actually producing something and actually hiring people.
How do you know so much about liblady?
 

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Right, Liblady, businesses abuse their workers and need bigger govt. to protect them. Why don't you just stay home and collect your over two years of unemployment benefits? Instead of worrying about the few businesses that may violate the law and abuse workers, why aren't you worried about a govt. that abuses us all? Obviously you never ran a business but now are an expert on running a business. Why don't you put that excellent business knowledge of yours to good use, take a risk, invest your own money, and pay your workers that living wage you and other liberals believe is fair? For some reason I don't find a lot of those so called liberal experts like you that have ever done that. It is a lot easier whining and complaining from the bleachers vs. getting in there and actually producing something and actually hiring people.
finished with your rant? i think i see some spit on the side of your mouth.
 

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finished with your rant? i think i see some spit on the side of your mouth.
Interesting but I don't see a response to anything posted. Why is it that liberals complaining about what people make don't take the risk, invest their own money, start their own businesses, and hire people paying them the salaries that you and others claim are a liveable wages. the answer is quite easy, it is a lot easier whining and complaining about business that you know nothing about vs. actually having your own and practicing what you preach.
 

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Liberal, please explain to us all why an Administration that you claim is for the American worker has almost 16 million unemployed Americans today and has implemented more job killing legislation that prevents the creation of jobs.

What Republicans don't like and I agree is that special interest group called Unions claiming they represent the American worker when all they are doing is destroying the American worker. Unions were bailed out by the "stimulus" plan that has cost this country another 3 million workers and 3 trillion added to the debt. Obama had to develop a new term called "saved" jobs. Now if you can find any chart on BLS that provides the number of saved jobs then I will buy your rhetoric and apologize.
If you think Republicans are for workers, then please explain how this happened:

Median income rose as did poverty in 2007; 2000s have been extremely weak for living standards of most households

Why - with Republicans in control - was 2000 - 2007 the worst period in the last 40 years for income growth vs. inflation? The average family lost $324 over those 7 years while productivity rose an average of 2.5% per year. So the American worker was working harder than ever, but getting paid less. All the while the economy was growing. Where did the money go? Who got the money? Who got rich while workers were working harder?

I'll give the you answer: it went to the wealthiest Americans. Trends in American Income Inequality Prior to the Recession-Becker - The Becker-Posner Blog

The problem - with BOTH parties, mind you - is that we have a huge structural problem in this nation that needs serious adjustment or we're going to become a South American nation - with a small, very wealth class - and a HUGE impoverished class. Growth must occur in all percentiles of the economic scale. That didn't happen in the 2000s under Republican leadership.

I don't see returning to them as a solution for the American worker. The only solution for the American worker is continued education, innovation in the entrepreneurial classes that actually address future needs instead of relying on the same old fossil fuels, modes of transportation, and energy infrastructure.

We suck. And we're stuck.

The wealthy were supposed to invest in things and it was supposed to trickle down. They didn't. They hoarded the advantages they got under the Bush tax cuts. Income inequality was at its all time high right before the collapse (it's back, by the way)
Wealth And Inequality In America

You have to have a tax structure that encourages spending amongst the upper classes instead of rewarding hoarding. The tax cuts could have worked, but they didn't. Because the wealthy hoard. The middle classes and the working poor spend their money. The wealthy were supposed to create jobs, but they didn't. Bush's recovery from the early 2000s recession never got back to the job levels that preceded it.

But the biggest issue was income. When people work harder and get more productive and don't get paid, it means the money is being held up top. If people would have been paid increasing wages to match productivity, the recession likely wouldn't have been so bad. But they forgot the lesson of Henry Ford, pay your employees enough to buy the products you sell.

In the 1990s, taxes were raised on the top classes. They told us awful things were going to happen. They didn't. The economy improved, more jobs were created than at any point in US history. And the rich also got richer. Why? Because people were buying as their status improved. When the lower and middle classes improve, the rich naturally get richer. When the rich get richer, it stalls out right there.

The jobs bill must be passed and Republicans have to stop holding it up with their filibuster.

Republicans don't care about workers. They care about capital and wealth and will skew the market to reward hoarding over hard work.
 
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