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Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.
In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.
The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.”
Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science | Popular Science

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On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

Diving Mullah
 

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I was born and raised an ultra conservative Republican. I think to be a Republican today you have to lay aside reality and your patriotism. Education sucks because the Republicans found out teachers are sometimes in unions. Science is Junk because evidence abounds man contributes to global warming and the Repubs and big oil...well you get the picture. They are no longer American, they are simply antiObama.
 

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With no other problems facing America, I think it is very important that this be resolved.

How about a Science Czar who can regulate the age of the Earth? Now, that would be useful:roll:
 

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Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.
In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.
The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.”
Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science | Popular Science

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On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

Diving Mullah

Sounds to me like there is more to the story.....
 

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I was born and raised an ultra conservative Republican. I think to be a Republican today you have to lay aside reality and your patriotism. Education sucks because the Republicans found out teachers are sometimes in unions. Science is Junk because evidence abounds man contributes to global warming and the Repubs and big oil...well you get the picture. They are no longer American, they are simply antiObama.

It seems many Republicans now believe that keeping Americans in the dark about science (and economics) is the only way they can prevail. They have adopted the same goals as Alqeda and the Taliban. It is an abomination that will fail in all cases.
 

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Let's see, government funding is running out soon if something isn't done, and they're wasting their time on meaningless BS like this? Not only should it have been puled from the calendar but the critter who suggested putting it on the calendar should be kicked straight in the short curlies.
 

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It is very sad that science has become politicized, and that religious extremists especially attack science because it disproves their literal bible interpretations. In past generations, America was the place for cutting edge science. We invented new technologies and attracted the brightest and best minds. This was one of the key elements that made the United States a superpower. Now, we are giving that up, and losing our intellectual dominance. It is absolutely absurd that we need to have these kinds of arguments.

With no other problems facing America, I think it is very important that this be resolved.

How about a Science Czar who can regulate the age of the Earth? Now, that would be useful:roll:

You say that as if the age of the Earth is actually in doubt. Seriously, if we have to have a partisan argument over the basic validity of the scientific method, then this country is not going to be the center of the world's intellectual endeavors anymore.
 

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It is very sad that science has become politicized, and that religious extremists especially attack science because it disproves their literal bible interpretations. In past generations, America was the place for cutting edge science. We invented new technologies and attracted the brightest and best minds. This was one of the key elements that made the United States a superpower. Now, we are giving that up, and losing our intellectual dominance. It is absolutely absurd that we need to have these kinds of arguments.



You say that as if the age of the Earth is actually in doubt
. Seriously, if we have to have a partisan argument over the basic validity of the scientific method, then this country is not going to be the center of the world's intellectual endeavors anymore.

Yet there have been articles indicating that what we thought may not have been true not just about the age of the earth, but the age of the universe. Why people want to fight over something that has no practical implications though, is beyond me.

Beyond that, don't pretend that it is only a bunch of religious extremists politicizing science. Scientist politicize science because they want the public funding and then pretend to be the victim. If someone were really interested in promoting science, they would care less about whether or not there is a symbolic scientist and more about the fact that qualified science teachers are functionally extinct because there are so few people going into the field with the desire or intent to actually teach K-12 science.
 

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Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.
In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.
The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.”
Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science | Popular Science

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

Diving Mullah

Really? "A never-ending war on Science?" Really? "Where engineers and scientists were revered?" Please list your evidence that Republicans have waged this never-ending war on science you speak of. And why we're suddenly at war with them because Republican legislators didn't support some ridiculous Science Laureate program dreamed up by Democrats. And. Does this mean Democrats have been at war with scientists since it's taken 200+ years for them to propose said namby-pamby position?

A poet laureate I can understand. Sort of. Why our Federal government even does this is beyond me. But at least that is supporting the arts. The arts need support and encouragement. Scientists? They're amply supported by, wait for it!!! Private enterprise.
 

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It is very sad that science has become politicized, and that religious extremists especially attack science because it disproves their literal bible interpretations. In past generations, America was the place for cutting edge science. We invented new technologies and attracted the brightest and best minds. This was one of the key elements that made the United States a superpower. Now, we are giving that up, and losing our intellectual dominance. It is absolutely absurd that we need to have these kinds of arguments.

You say that as if the age of the Earth is actually in doubt. Seriously, if we have to have a partisan argument over the basic validity of the scientific method, then this country is not going to be the center of the world's intellectual endeavors anymore.

Paschendale, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? I realize that sometimes my witty sarcasms go over peoples heads and I get in trouble but honestly:
With no other problems facing America, I think it is very important that this be resolved.
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How about a Science Czar who can regulate the age of the Earth? Now, that would be useful
REALLY? Sure 6,000 years was exaggeration since the Earth is less than 5800 years old but I was just rounding off.:doh
 

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Really? "A never-ending war on Science?" Really? "Where engineers and scientists were revered?" Please list your evidence that Republicans have waged this never-ending war on science you speak of. And why we're suddenly at war with them because Republican legislators didn't support some ridiculous Science Laureate program dreamed up by Democrats. And. Does this mean Democrats have been at war with scientists since it's taken 200+ years for them to propose said namby-pamby position?

A poet laureate I can understand. Sort of. Why our Federal government even does this is beyond me. But at least that is supporting the arts. The arts need support and encouragement. Scientists? They're amply supported by, wait for it!!! Private enterprise.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but the US government is the primary funder of most basic science research. Applied research is funded by private enterprise.

Evidence for the Republican War on Science? Hell, Chris Mooney wrote an entire book on it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/books/review/18horgan.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Theres so many things to list. Ban the EPA! Global warming doesnt exist! Who cares about spotted owls - we need the lumber! Evolution in textbooks, sure! No funding of stem cell research (sort of)! It goes back to the early 90s, when the EPA issued a report on secondhand smoke and got rapped by GOP legistlators. Anytime you hear the term "junk science" used by the GOP, it invariably refers to actual peer reviewed accepted science.
 

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Paschendale, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? I realize that sometimes my witty sarcasms go over peoples heads and I get in trouble but honestly: and REALLY? Sure 6,000 years was exaggeration since the Earth is less than 5800 years old but I was just rounding off.:doh

You may not have meant it seriously (and there really wasn't any way to tell and I didn't remember your personal position off the top of my head) but a lot of people do. There are arguments over the basic validity of science. These are the same people who try to make sure that kids are taught that the foundations of modern biology are lies. Not just mistakes, but lies. I get a little upset about that. Don't you?

Yet there have been articles indicating that what we thought may not have been true not just about the age of the earth, but the age of the universe. Why people want to fight over something that has no practical implications though, is beyond me.

Beyond that, don't pretend that it is only a bunch of religious extremists politicizing science. Scientist politicize science because they want the public funding and then pretend to be the victim. If someone were really interested in promoting science, they would care less about whether or not there is a symbolic scientist and more about the fact that qualified science teachers are functionally extinct because there are so few people going into the field with the desire or intent to actually teach K-12 science.

Right, it's not just religious nuts, it's the climate science deniers, too.
 

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Actually it is the Democrats who have declared war against science. They keep pushing their silly doomsday global warming bull**** when it is clearly based on junk science. And even after WikiLeaks exposed the fraudsters the Dumocrats still keep on trying to scare the public with their Chicken Little idiocy.
 

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You may not have meant it seriously (and there really wasn't any way to tell and I didn't remember your personal position off the top of my head) but a lot of people do. There are arguments over the basic validity of science. These are the same people who try to make sure that kids are taught that the foundations of modern biology are lies. Not just mistakes, but lies. I get a little upset about that. Don't you?

Not really. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if kids think dinosaur bones are a trick by Satan since the existence of dinosaurs is not relevant to today's world. And yes, the age of the earth and of the universe are a moving target with science BTW.


Right, it's not just religious nuts, it's the climate science deniers, too.

Oh you believe that the climate scientists who refute global warming science should be silenced and that science shouldn't be politicized do you? There is a lot of evidence suggesting they are wrong by the way, or at the very least, confusing causation and correlation, mistaking weather for climate like they accuse their opponents are doing, and the like, but climate scientist who criticize the work of the AGW crowd often find themselves defunded or unemployed due to people who seem to be as open to differing interpretations on the matter as you are.
 

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Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.
In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.
The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.”
Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science | Popular Science

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On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

Diving Mullah

Republicans believe that the earth is 6000 years old and was created BY GAWD on a Tuesday evening. I think the month was October. They fell for that fairy tale written by primitive sheep herders who believed in witches and who thought the earth was flat. With awesome facts like that how could they be wrong?
 

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I was born and raised an ultra conservative Republican. I think to be a Republican today you have to lay aside reality and your patriotism. Education sucks because the Republicans found out teachers are sometimes in unions. Science is Junk because evidence abounds man contributes to global warming and the Repubs and big oil...well you get the picture. They are no longer American, they are simply antiObama.

That is at the hear of the problem...When You say I was raised Republican, I am guessing Goldwater and Eisenhower republican, even maybe a Little Nixon but these icons of republican party, if come to political stage here and now, they will be labeled RINOs, Liberal and lefties and be driven out the party. By today's definition they are more "progressive and Liberal" than most of the democrats in the congress and senate. Sadly the party has been hijacked by the most fanatics of the rights and unyielding to any reasons and logic and some how critical thinking and reasoning out courses of action has become sign of weakness to the GOP!

Diving Mullah
 

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It seems many Republicans now believe that keeping Americans in the dark about science (and economics) is the only way they can prevail. They have adopted the same goals as Alqeda and the Taliban. It is an abomination that will fail in all cases.
Much like keeping people in the dark about gov't programs such as SS and Medicare and how they negatively effect the country correct? Don't act as if liberals are so forth right and innocent while the "evil" right wing holds back all truth. It's a ridiculous argument based in partisan hackery and nothing else.
I also don't agree that anyone on the right is trying to "keep Americans in the dark" about science. Every school you go to teaches the very things that have been claimed to be withheld ie global warming, etc. That's even after numerous scientists have come out and said global warming may not be happening after all. There are no facts to support this argument, only assumptions.
Finally, it doesn't sound like the full story is being told about this position and why it was voted down. Much like when either party stands against a bill that we all think should be a breeze to go through. Many times there is some sort of velvet dagger embedded in the bill somewhere that would rear it's ugly head later. That may be the case here. I don't believe a small story that doesn't even go into as much detail as an NFL injury report can encompass an entire vote by the House.
 

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Earlier this week, House Republicans quietly blocked a proposal that would institute the position of science laureate of the United States. It was expected to sail by--after all, who could possibly have a problem with an honorary position that costs the taxpayers absolutely nothing, the goal of which is to promote science education? House Republicans, apparently.
In the United States, the position of laureate--the only national one of which is the poet laureate--is a largely ceremonial position. The poet laureate receives a small stipend of $35,000 a year and is given a platform to promote poetry and literature through readings, appearances, and new projects (some have promoted African diaspora poetry, some have attempted to get poetry and fiction into places like airports and waiting rooms, some have encouraged early education). The proposed science laureate would have a similar duty: Mazie Hirono, the Hawaii Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, described it as "a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences. By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students--especially girls and minorities--to get excited about science." It would be an unpaid position, to be held by up to three notable American scientists.
The proposal should have passed easily. But last week, Larry Hart, a former Republican congressional aide and current representative of the American Conservative Union (the country's oldest politically conservative lobbying group), sent a letter to House Republicans claiming that this position is far from benign. Hart writes that the laureate, appointed by President Obama, "will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases.”
Republicans promptly pulled support for the bill, taking it off the floor schedule, meaning it may or may not ever actually see the floor again. At best, if there's pressure, it may be re-introduced in a few months. If it does, it'll face opposition from various anti-climate-change groups. Or the bill may just die.

Republicans Block Proposal For National Science Laureate, Fearing Science | Popular Science

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On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

Diving Mullah

here is the text of the letter sent to house Republicans

Dear Congressman,

On behalf of the American Conservative Union, I urge you to vote “NO” on the Zoe Lofgren bill, H.R. 1891, creating the position of Science Laureate of the United States, when it comes up on the suspension calendar on Tuesday.

This bill has not been approved by the House Science Committee, and by putting it on the suspension calendar, there is no chance for amendment or adequate debate.

Although the bill seems innocuous, it will provide the opportunity for President Obama to make an appointment of someone (or more than one person) who will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases. The bill allows the appointment of up to three Science Laureates simultaneously. The bill as written also gives President Obama the power to decide the term of the Science Laureate up to two years. None of these provisions can be amended under Suspension of the Rules.

This bill is a needless addition to the long list of presidential appointments and should at least be considered in committee before being acted on without amendment. Please vote “NO” on H.R. 1891, the Science Laureate bill.

Sincerely,

Larry Hart
Director of Government Relations
American Conservative Union

Letter Urging Congress to Vote “No” On the Science Laureate Bill | ACU

the " be scared of what obama will do!! " angle is certainly present.. it's only part of the message.. it seems to me that the rules suspensions that disallow amendments and debate is a very good point to raise...as is the appointment being wholly unnecessary.


and the article is wrong, Mazie Hirono has nothing to do with this bill ( she's in the Senate, not the House.. her bill is S.899.. and it's still in committee)... the article's author could at least get the basic facts down.
 

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It is very sad that science has become politicized, and that religious extremists especially attack science because it disproves their literal bible interpretations. In past generations, America was the place for cutting edge science. We invented new technologies and attracted the brightest and best minds. This was one of the key elements that made the United States a superpower. Now, we are giving that up, and losing our intellectual dominance. It is absolutely absurd that we need to have these kinds of arguments.
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well, I agree it's sad Science is politicized... but there has never been a time when it hasn't been.

if government has a hand in it, it's politicized.. there's no 2 ways about it.


when you have presidential appointments for ..well, anything... they are nothing more than Presidential mouthpieces... they serve at the behest of the President and they'll be pushing the President's agenda.
that's not necessarily a bad thing but it necessarily means the agenda will be political in nature( no matter who El Presidente is).

I'm not too opposed to our current science "agenda", however, i'm opposed to Obama and the Democrats answer to everything being " tax it, ban it, or tax it some more"


in any event, this particular appointment is not needed.... the capacity in which they want the "science czar" to operate is already available to us from other agencies.
there are 13 national science agencies in operation.. all with budgets that cover advertising and public relations.
 

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there are 13 national science agencies in operation.. all with budgets that cover advertising and public relations.

Wouldn't it be nice if scientific study in this country didn't need advertising and public relations?
 

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here is the text of the letter sent to house Republicans



Letter Urging Congress to Vote “No” On the Science Laureate Bill | ACU

the " be scared of what obama will do!! " angle is certainly present.. it's only part of the message.. it seems to me that the rules suspensions that disallow amendments and debate is a very good point to raise...as is the appointment being wholly unnecessary.


and the article is wrong, Mazie Hirono has nothing to do with this bill ( she's in the Senate, not the House.. her bill is S.899.. and it's still in committee)... the article's author could at least get the basic facts down.

This is actually funny because ACU one of the arguments is that the
This bill has not been approved by the House Science Committee, and by putting it on the suspension calendar, there is no chance for amendment or adequate debate.

Now Lets look at the some of the House Science Committee.....


Iowa Congressman Steve King made headlines last week for his colorful denials of climate change, but his muddling of scientific facts is not new from Republican leaders. Here are just some of the things Republican members of the House Science Committee have said about global warming:

1. Rep. Lamar Smith (Texas): ”We now know that prominent scientists were so determined to advance the idea of human-made global warming that they worked together to hide contradictory temperature data,” Smith said in 2009.
Science says… Smith was referring to reports that the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia tampered with data to fabricate a global warming trend. An independent review has since found that data was not tampered with or hidden.


2. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (California): “Just so you know, global warming is a total fraud and it is being designed by—what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions. Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives,” Rohrabacher said earlier this month.

Science says… Global warming is not a liberal conspiracy. In fact, there are Republican leaders who support climate change research: former Republican Rep. Bob Inglis, for example, who now heads the Energy and Enterprise Initiative at George Mason University. The organization’s mission is to convince conservatives that climate change is real.


3. Rep. Ralph M. Hall (Texas): “I’m really more fearful of freezing. And I don’t have any science to prove that. But we have a lot of science that tells us [climate scientists are] not basing it on real scientific facts. And we need to listen to more,” Hall told the National Journal in 2011.

Science says… NASA has a whole website dedicated to the scientific facts that prove global warming and are not disputable, from clearly rising sea levels to visibly shrinking ice sheets.
Hall had one thing right though: A fear of freezing, or frigophobia, is real.

4. Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (Wisconsin): “I personally believe that the solar flares are more responsible for climatic cycles than anything that human beings do and our lunar, our rovers on Mars have indicated that there has been a slight warming in the atmosphere of Mars and that certainly was not caused by the internal combustion engine,” he said in 2009.

Science says… Solar flares are not relevant to global warming, and Mars is not warming globally.

5. Rep. Paul Broun (Georgia): “Scientists all over this world say that the idea of human induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community. It is a hoax. There is no scientific consensus,” Broun said on the House floor in 2009.

Science says… 97% of climate experts agree that global warming is real, and is caused by humans.

6. Rep. Randy Hultgren (Illinois): “Over the thousands of years that’s been recorded we’ve had both colder times and warmer times. It happens to be that we’ve recently come out of a warmer time and now actually we’re headed in to a little bit of a colder time, the impact of the sun is much different than impact that we could have had,” he said in 2009.

Science says… We are not headed into a cooling period.


7. Rep. Steve Stockman (Texas): “I want to talk to you today about the new fad thing that’s going through America and around the world: it’s called global warming,” Stockman said in a web video in 2009.

Science says… Global warming isn’t exactly a “new fad thing.” In 1896, Swedish scientist Svante Arrehnius suggested that burning fossil fuels would add CO2 to the Earth’s atmosphere, which would then raise the globe’s average temperature.

8. Rep. Thomas Massie (Kentucky): “I would challenge [President Obama] to show us the linkage—the undeniable linkage—between droughts and the change of weather, and some kind of human activity,” Massie, an MIT graduate, said earlier this year.

Science says… Rising greenhouse-gas levels, created in part by burning fossil fuels (i.e. coal and oil), have been found to play a role in the growing intensity of rain and snow.

9. Rep. Kevin Cramer (North Dakota): “These mandates and these wind farms are all based on this fraudulent science from the EPA, meaning their claim that CO2 is a pollutant and is causing global warming…We know the globe is cooling.”

Science says… Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant in that the Webster’s definition that pollution is “to make physically impure or unclean: Befoul, dirty,” but, as Dr. Jeffrey Masters of Weather Underground writes, “Webster’s also has the definition: ‘to contaminate (an environment) esp. with man-made waste.’ Carbon dioxide is a waste gas produced by fossil fuel combustion, so can be classified as man-made waste. One can also make the case that carbon dioxide is contaminating the environment, since increased CO2 from burning fossil fuels has already harmed sea life.”

Also, the globe is not cooling.

10. Rep. Chris Stewart (Utah): “I’m not as convinced as a lot of people are that man-made climate change is the threat they think it is,” he said earlier this year.

Science says… It’s a threat to food supplies, could cause more infectious diseases, and will cause more animals to struggle to simply exist — just to name a few things.


enough said!

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On surface this appear to motivated by curtailing government spending, however by looking at past behaviors, it is clear that Republicans most scary enemy is science specially fact and figures. So of course in order to prevent themselves from spiraling down the chute of irrelevancy and obscurity they have decided to attack Science from all Fronts After all less knowledge and more ignorance does seem to promote their cause and helps them keep their jobs.

It is funny how far we gone back. There use to be a time where Engineers and Scientist were revered and worshiped in this country, but now in the eyes of republicans that is called being elitist, combating ignorance with science data and fact is actually a handicapped. Phrases like "I don't have facts and figures but I believe..." is unmet with challenge or questions. Counterpoint of personal facts to contrary with fact and figures is called ambush journalism..

Country that was at the forefront of science is now lingering on periphery thanks to 30 years of republican policies and their never ending war on Science.

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we spend more per child on education 1 through 12 than any other country but ranked 30 in math science and reading throwing more money at the problem wont solve crap
 

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I think the US could function without that position somehow. Maybe the "very conservative"author can't function without a science laureate,but most probably will be ok.
 

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I was born and raised an ultra conservative Republican. I think to be a Republican today you have to lay aside reality and your patriotism. Education sucks because the Republicans found out teachers are sometimes in unions. Science is Junk because evidence abounds man contributes to global warming and the Repubs and big oil...well you get the picture. They are no longer American, they are simply antiObama.

Good to see you got all the talking points down.
Republicans and "big oil". Original.
 

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This is actually funny because ACU one of the arguments is that the

Now Lets look at the some of the House Science Committee.....


Iowa Congressman Steve King made headlines last week for his colorful denials of climate change, but his muddling of scientific facts is not new from Republican leaders. Here are just some of the things Republican members of the House Science Committee have said about global warming:

1. Rep. Lamar Smith (Texas): ”We now know that prominent scientists were so determined to advance the idea of human-made global warming that they worked together to hide contradictory temperature data,” Smith said in 2009.
Science says… Smith was referring to reports that the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia tampered with data to fabricate a global warming trend. An independent review has since found that data was not tampered with or hidden.


2. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (California): “Just so you know, global warming is a total fraud and it is being designed by—what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions. Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives,” Rohrabacher said earlier this month.

Science says… Global warming is not a liberal conspiracy. In fact, there are Republican leaders who support climate change research: former Republican Rep. Bob Inglis, for example, who now heads the Energy and Enterprise Initiative at George Mason University. The organization’s mission is to convince conservatives that climate change is real.


3. Rep. Ralph M. Hall (Texas): “I’m really more fearful of freezing. And I don’t have any science to prove that. But we have a lot of science that tells us [climate scientists are] not basing it on real scientific facts. And we need to listen to more,” Hall told the National Journal in 2011.

Science says… NASA has a whole website dedicated to the scientific facts that prove global warming and are not disputable, from clearly rising sea levels to visibly shrinking ice sheets.
Hall had one thing right though: A fear of freezing, or frigophobia, is real.

4. Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (Wisconsin): “I personally believe that the solar flares are more responsible for climatic cycles than anything that human beings do and our lunar, our rovers on Mars have indicated that there has been a slight warming in the atmosphere of Mars and that certainly was not caused by the internal combustion engine,” he said in 2009.

Science says… Solar flares are not relevant to global warming, and Mars is not warming globally.

5. Rep. Paul Broun (Georgia): “Scientists all over this world say that the idea of human induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community. It is a hoax. There is no scientific consensus,” Broun said on the House floor in 2009.

Science says… 97% of climate experts agree that global warming is real, and is caused by humans.

6. Rep. Randy Hultgren (Illinois): “Over the thousands of years that’s been recorded we’ve had both colder times and warmer times. It happens to be that we’ve recently come out of a warmer time and now actually we’re headed in to a little bit of a colder time, the impact of the sun is much different than impact that we could have had,” he said in 2009.

Science says… We are not headed into a cooling period.


7. Rep. Steve Stockman (Texas): “I want to talk to you today about the new fad thing that’s going through America and around the world: it’s called global warming,” Stockman said in a web video in 2009.

Science says… Global warming isn’t exactly a “new fad thing.” In 1896, Swedish scientist Svante Arrehnius suggested that burning fossil fuels would add CO2 to the Earth’s atmosphere, which would then raise the globe’s average temperature.

8. Rep. Thomas Massie (Kentucky): “I would challenge [President Obama] to show us the linkage—the undeniable linkage—between droughts and the change of weather, and some kind of human activity,” Massie, an MIT graduate, said earlier this year.

Science says… Rising greenhouse-gas levels, created in part by burning fossil fuels (i.e. coal and oil), have been found to play a role in the growing intensity of rain and snow.

9. Rep. Kevin Cramer (North Dakota): “These mandates and these wind farms are all based on this fraudulent science from the EPA, meaning their claim that CO2 is a pollutant and is causing global warming…We know the globe is cooling.”

Science says… Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant in that the Webster’s definition that pollution is “to make physically impure or unclean: Befoul, dirty,” but, as Dr. Jeffrey Masters of Weather Underground writes, “Webster’s also has the definition: ‘to contaminate (an environment) esp. with man-made waste.’ Carbon dioxide is a waste gas produced by fossil fuel combustion, so can be classified as man-made waste. One can also make the case that carbon dioxide is contaminating the environment, since increased CO2 from burning fossil fuels has already harmed sea life.”

Also, the globe is not cooling.

10. Rep. Chris Stewart (Utah): “I’m not as convinced as a lot of people are that man-made climate change is the threat they think it is,” he said earlier this year.

Science says… It’s a threat to food supplies, could cause more infectious diseases, and will cause more animals to struggle to simply exist — just to name a few things.


enough said!

Diving Mullah

why are you changing the topic to global warming.. or climate change.. or whatever it's called now?
 
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