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Remember the guy who gave his employees a $70,000 starting salary?

yes thanks to high tech but has nothing to do with minimum wage jobs!!!! Do you understand, Dittohead?????

It's Dittohead not! Thank you very much.
Seattle is a very liberal city. Seattle has a high minimum wage. Seattle has low unemployment and a vibrant economy. Seattle doesn't fit in with your world view.
 
you seriously don't understand finance or economics do you?
you don't understand basic banking or anything else?

Sarcasm becomes you so well ...
 
1 Not sure how to interpret this one. Demand for goods? Demand for labor?
2 That might be a bit extreme, but the 90% top marginal rate in the 1950s seemed to work out pretty well.
3 If this means look at what happened to cities that did raise minimum wages, I think Seattle Washington was one of them. Their unemployment rate is 3.10% and falling.

several factors the demand for labor but also the demand to pay that labor more money.
this is myth that keeps spreading around. I don't understand why it is so far for people to actually look up what they are talking about before spreading myths.
no one paid 90%. with all the tax writeoffs their lowered their income to the 45% tax bracket. the other thing is that at the time it only affected like 1% of the 1%.
basically no one paid it so it was useless.

LOL that isn't the full story and no all businesses have each 15 dollars. also many businesses have already raised their prices to match
the corresponding wage increases.

Gains, losses cancel out from Seattle's minimum-wage hike - StarTribune.com

who cares what the pay is if they cut your hours.
 
Sarcasm becomes you so well ...

You seriously don't.

you think their money just sits in a bank and isn't used? you are wrong.
you think their investments just sit there and do nothing you are wrong.

unless you can prove that their money is stuffed in a mattress or in a backyard then their money enters back into the economy.

the myth of your 100% rate is busted all over the place every time.
you need to come up with some new arguments as these are well no use to you any more.
 
several factors the demand for labor but also the demand to pay that labor more money.
this is myth that keeps spreading around. I don't understand why it is so far for people to actually look up what they are talking about before spreading myths.
no one paid 90%. with all the tax writeoffs their lowered their income to the 45% tax bracket. the other thing is that at the time it only affected like 1% of the 1%.
basically no one paid it so it was useless.

LOL that isn't the full story and no all businesses have each 15 dollars. also many businesses have already raised their prices to match
the corresponding wage increases.

Gains, losses cancel out from Seattle's minimum-wage hike - StarTribune.com

who cares what the pay is if they cut your hours.

Few people paid those high taxes because the income disparity was a lot less back in the 1950s.
As for Seattle and the minimum wage laws, research done and published locally does not support your assertions:

During the period covered in the report, typical low-wage workers in Seattle saw their pay increase from $9.96 per hour to $11.14 per hour. Their employment rate and their number of hours increased, as did their overall earnings, according to the report.

source
 
why not tell us what premise was and how you destroyed it?????????????

I'll answer but it obviously won't have the slightest affect on what you post in this forum.

The "premise" - Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, raised the salaries for his employees and this caused his business to collapse to the point Price had to rent out his own home in order to survive.

The destruction of the "premise" - Gravity Payments saw its revenue increase by 75 percent, and its number of new clients has risen 67 percent.
 
I'll answer but it obviously won't have the slightest affect on what you post in this forum.

The "premise" - Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, raised the salaries for his employees and this caused his business to collapse to the point Price had to rent out his own home in order to survive.

The destruction of the "premise" - Gravity Payments saw its revenue increase by 75 percent, and its number of new clients has risen 67 percent.

dear, you did not say how that destroyed the premise???????????
 
I would answer but it obviously won't have the slightest affect on what you post in this forum.

translation: I'm afraid to say how I destroyed the premise now that I realize I didn't destroy the premise.
 
Few people paid those high taxes because the income disparity was a lot less back in the 1950s.
As for Seattle and the minimum wage laws, research done and published locally does not support your assertions:



source
From your link:


"Much of that success, though, can be attributed to trends separate from the minimum-wage law itself, such as the growth of Seattle’s tech sector and its construction boom, according to a new report that University of Washington researchers presented to the City Council on Monday."
 
From your link:


"Much of that success, though, can be attributed to trends separate from the minimum-wage law itself, such as the growth of Seattle’s tech sector and its construction boom, according to a new report that University of Washington researchers presented to the City Council on Monday."

In other words, the minimum wage hike has shown no negative effect on Seattle's economy despite the cries of the groups which fought against it.
 
In other words, the minimum wage hike has shown no negative effect on Seattle's economy despite the cries of the groups which fought against it.
It went up a buck during an economic expansion. If a $15 minimum wouldn't impact jobs, why wasn't it put in place all at once rather than phasing it in over 5 years?
 
From your link:


"Much of that success, though, can be attributed to trends separate from the minimum-wage law itself, such as the growth of Seattle’s tech sector and its construction boom, according to a new report that University of Washington researchers presented to the City Council on Monday."

Correct, "much of the success." But, the fact remains that increasing the minimum wage didn't result in low wage workers losing jobs or having hours cut back.
 
It went up a buck during an economic expansion. If a $15 minimum wouldn't impact jobs, why wasn't it put in place all at once rather than phasing it in over 5 years?

Politics and allowing businesses to plan ahead for upcoming changes
 
Politics and allowing businesses to plan ahead for upcoming changes

obviously a higher minimum wage means fewer jobs just like higher car prices would mean fewer cars sold. This is called the law of supply and demand. You learn it in Econ 101, class one,day one.


"Although the ordinance appears to have boosted wages for the city’s lowest-paid workers, the benefits of the increase may have been partly offset by fewer hours worked per person and slightly less overall employment, the Seattle Minimum Wage Study research team found. Estimated income gains for the average worker were modest – on the order of a few dollars a week – and sensitive to methodological choices."


"The true effect to low-income workers of Seattle’s minimum wage increase to $11 in 2015 was about 73 cents, researchers say, keeping in mind that the area’s strong economy might well have boosted wages anyway.Seattle Minimum Wage Study"
 
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His name was Dan Price, and his company was "Gravity."

Remember what was said about how foolish he was, how he was a "socialist", how his business would surely fail?

Well, that was six months ago. Now:

But, after all that, he must be going broke, right?

Guess not.

Maybe keeping all of the money at the top isn't such a great business plan. What do you think?

source

I was going to start a thread about this but figured it'd be redundant so why not resurrect this one.

Attacking him for being a "socialist" and predicting failure was stupid. However, the way this guy's cheerleaders are lapping up his self-promotion is kind of foolish. A few problems with all this:

He routinely taunts and attacks publicly traded companies on social media for not compensating like him. What's disingenuous about this? It's that he knows many of these companies are publicly traded. So ask him why he won't take Gravity Payments public. He's likely to answer as follows (which actually comes from his website): "Because we’re a privately held company, our focus is always going to be on creating long-term relationships—not on squeezing partners to maximize quarterly earnings."

If he acknowledges that going public would prevent him from being able to execute on his compensation strategy, then why spend so much time attacking publicly traded companies for not executing this strategy? I'd kind of like to challenge Dan to start a restaurant or retail business, take it public, and then see if he could still project himself as a hero regarding employee compensation. I'm sure he couldn't, for the very reasons he points out as to why he wouldn't want to take Gravity public. So why attack other companies for their compensation structures? This is just messed up. But his Twitter followers adore his criticisms of publicly traded companies. They don't bother to contemplate these things.

Another thing that's comical is how much attention he's tried to drum up for himself about not only raising his starting compensation, but that he cut his own to $70k as well, as if that were so altruistic. Why is that comical? Because Dan Price owns Gravity Payments. His net worth has ballooned as a result of that. His official salary is insignificant, because he's an owner. Numerous other CEOs pay themselves little to nothing (just enough to not be designated a volunteer), because their real compensation is in business equity, and it dwarfs whatever their official salary would have been.

Another thing that's a little bit weird is the controversy around the timing of his $70k minimum compensation announcement relative to the timing of when he was served with papers from being sued by his brother, Lucas. When you start digging into that and reading what Lucas has had to say about him, it kind of begs the question of who the "hero" of this story (if any) really is.

And if you want to keep going deeper into personal character, there's also the pretty heinous domestic violence accusations his ex-wife made about him. Granted this is personal, not business, and obviously it's hard to know who to believe in a family feud when one person is holding a bag with hundreds of millions of dollars in it.

The guy is an admitted narcissist who runs a private payment processing business that earns about a half million dollars per employee. I don't care that he pays his lowest paid employees $70k. I don't care that he's liberal. I don't care that he's a narcissist. I just find his adoring followers quite gullible and relatively uncritical/unthinking about all this stuff.
 
I was going to start a thread about this but figured it'd be redundant so why not resurrect this one.

Attacking him for being a "socialist" and predicting failure was stupid. However, the way this guy's cheerleaders are lapping up his self-promotion is kind of foolish. A few problems with all this:

He routinely taunts and attacks publicly traded companies on social media for not compensating like him. What's disingenuous about this? It's that he knows many of these companies are publicly traded. So ask him why he won't take Gravity Payments public. He's likely to answer as follows (which actually comes from his website): "Because we’re a privately held company, our focus is always going to be on creating long-term relationships—not on squeezing partners to maximize quarterly earnings."

If he acknowledges that going public would prevent him from being able to execute on his compensation strategy, then why spend so much time attacking publicly traded companies for not executing this strategy? I'd kind of like to challenge Dan to start a restaurant or retail business, take it public, and then see if he could still project himself as a hero regarding employee compensation. I'm sure he couldn't, for the very reasons he points out as to why he wouldn't want to take Gravity public. So why attack other companies for their compensation structures? This is just messed up. But his Twitter followers adore his criticisms of publicly traded companies. They don't bother to contemplate these things.

Another thing that's comical is how much attention he's tried to drum up for himself about not only raising his starting compensation, but that he cut his own to $70k as well, as if that were so altruistic. Why is that comical? Because Dan Price owns Gravity Payments. His net worth has ballooned as a result of that. His official salary is insignificant, because he's an owner. Numerous other CEOs pay themselves little to nothing (just enough to not be designated a volunteer), because their real compensation is in business equity, and it dwarfs whatever their official salary would have been.

Another thing that's a little bit weird is the controversy around the timing of his $70k minimum compensation announcement relative to the timing of when he was served with papers from being sued by his brother, Lucas. When you start digging into that and reading what Lucas has had to say about him, it kind of begs the question of who the "hero" of this story (if any) really is.

And if you want to keep going deeper into personal character, there's also the pretty heinous domestic violence accusations his ex-wife made about him. Granted this is personal, not business, and obviously it's hard to know who to believe in a family feud when one person is holding a bag with hundreds of millions of dollars in it.

The guy is an admitted narcissist who runs a private payment processing business that earns about a half million dollars per employee. I don't care that he pays his lowest paid employees $70k. I don't care that he's liberal. I don't care that he's a narcissist. I just find his adoring followers quite gullible and relatively uncritical/unthinking about all this stuff.

It is almost always smoke and mirrors. While companies can claim they pay employees $70,000 what that usually means is that the low skill labor is all contracted out. Those jobs still pay minimum wage, but they aren't employees.

THis is like the comapnies that like to taut that the pay $15/hour to start, but what you find by digging into their business is that they 1) Are highly selective who they hire because 2) they hare half as many employees.

Generally their payroll budget doesn't increase, their number of employees shrink.

As the old saying goes, the REAL minimum wage will always be zero.
 
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