Remember Hillary's higher-education proposition?

[Lafayette]

We wanted historical change, and what the Electoral College gave us was Donald Dork instead of the popular-vote win by Hillary.

The cost of postsecondary education is much larger than you may think. Hillary had made a proposition to institute a national-program for post-secondary education funding by the US government. That personal subsidy would have pulled a great-many kids out of poverty and into a decent standard-of-living!

You don't remember? (Because with Biden and a possible switch of the Senate to the Dems, it is still an option!) Here's how Hillary wanted to do it: Making college debt-free and taking on student debt

Had that program been adopted more young Americans would be graduating in the future with the competencies that our New & Different Economy requires of them.

But, no, an antiquated and fundamentally undemocratic Electoral College voting-mechanism erroneously decided otherwise. So, now, OUR KIDS - with parents that cannot afford even state post-secondary public-schooling - WILL NOT BE OBTAINING DEGREES THAT WOULD GET THEM A DAMN FINE JOB AT A DECENT INCOME!

Biden likely will get around to a law that allows the poorest of our people to better their lives by means of a suitable-and-very-low-cost post-secondary education in a public-institution of higher learning. The question is simply "when".

What does "post-secondary education mean"? Everything - soup to nuts! That is, it covers training at the basic job-level right through all further degrees up to and including a Doctorat! And nothing less ... !

PS: But, of course, if the Replicants keep control of the Senate, all bets are off for giving the poorest amongst us the ability to educate themselves out of poverty.
PPS: And how will we pay for it? Out of the taxation of higher incomes that further schooling degrees will allow those who pursue a post-secondary education!

 

[bluesmoke]

Republicans, cons, are against anything that provides one single thing to people who can't otherwise afford what is necessary to progress in our socio-economic system but would rather give that which it would cost to the rich and large corps to increase their wealth and keep a knee on the neck of those in need. Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

 

[Luther]

Republicans, cons, are against anything that provides one single thing to people who can't otherwise afford what is necessary to progress in our socio-economic system but would rather give that which it would cost to the rich and large corps to increase their wealth and keep a knee on the neck of those in need. Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

I see ya fell for all the rhetoric "Hook line and sinker"

 

[Lafayette]

WHAT HILLARY PROMISED AND WE NEVER GOT

From here: EDUCATION TRENDS: How Much Will Post-Secondary Education Cost?

Excerpt:

Making college debt-free and taking on student debt
Note: This page is a reproduction of the Hillary for America policy proposal on making college debt-free and taking on student debt.
Hillary has a comprehensive plan to put higher education within reach for all Americans, and take on the crisis of student debt.
Here’s what every student and family should expect under Hillary’s plan:
Costs won’t be a barrier

• Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. By 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities. And from the beginning, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university without paying tuition.
• All community colleges will offer free tuition.
• Everyone will do their part. States will have to step up and invest in higher education, and colleges and universities will be held accountable for the success of their students and for controlling tuition costs.
• A $25 billion fund will support historically black colleges and universities, Hispanic-serving institutions, and other minority-serving institutions in building new ladders of opportunity for students.
• The one-quarter of all college students who are also parents will get the support they need and the resources they deserve.

Debt won’t hold you back

• Borrowers will be able to refinance loans at current rates, providing debt relief to an estimated 25 million people. They’ll never have to pay back more than 10 percent of their income, and all remaining college debt will be forgiven after 20 years.
• Delinquent borrowers and those in default will get help to protect their credit and get back on their feet.
  To reduce the burden for future borrowers, Hillary will significantly cut interest rates so the government never profits from college student loans.
• Hillary’s plan will crack down on predatory schools, lenders, and bill collectors.
• A new payroll deduction portal for employers and employees will simplify the repayment process—and Hillary will explore more options to encourage employers to help pay down student debt.
• Aspiring entrepreneurs will be able to defer their loans with no payments or interest for up to three years. Social entrepreneurs and those starting new enterprises in distressed communities will be eligible for up to $17,500 in loan forgiveness.
• Hillary will take immediate executive action to offer a three-month moratorium on student loan payments to all federal loan borrowers. That will give every borrower a chance to consolidate their loans, sign up for income-based repayment plans, and take advantage of opportunities to reduce their monthly interest payments and fees.

Fully paid for: This plan will be fully paid for by limiting certain tax expenditures for high-income taxpayers.

 

[cpwill]

Republicans, cons, are against anything that provides one single thing to people who can't otherwise afford what is necessary to progress in our socio-economic system but would rather give that which it would cost to the rich and large corps to increase their wealth and keep a knee on the neck of those in need. Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

I appreciate you saying this. It's always useful to know who has the ability to understand people who are different than themselves, and who doesn't

 

[Lafayette]

CHANGING THE VOTING SYSTEM FOR GOOD REASONS

Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

Otherwise, this is the part I disagree with. The lack of a key economic parameter (defined here Income Disparity) is showing.

Yes, there must be differences in earnings, and thus wealth. The question remains, however, "What's fair, and what is not?"

And THAT is the question the Rich and Super Rich DO NOT WANT TO ANSWER.

Because "life-is-just-fine-!" the way taxation is in America? But it isn't! See here:

Uncle Sam's Income Discrimination of our taxation-system is the culprit, and we-the-sheeple must help the Dems tackle that problem to set it right. Upper-income taxation must not remain at the ridiculously low level it is today!

Whyzzat? Because the accumulation of capital does no further good to anybody but those who gather it!

Thanks to Ronnie-Raygun and other Replicant Presidents that "we-the-sheeple" have since voted into office who protected and promoted the low-level of Upper-income Taxation!

By means of a wretchedly-wrong system of voting that goes back more than two-centuries and created the Electoral College. Don't forget: Donald Dork was not the ONLY Replicant PotUS to get elected by losing the popular-vote! He was the latest of many!

My Point: Who in their right mind would, upon counting the vote, declare that the winner obtains also the vote against them - which is reported by each state to the "Electoral College" in Washington, DC?

It's insane! See here: These States Want To Drastically Change How A President Gets Elected In 2020

Moreover, the EC-vote does not even reflect the correct proportions of the voting public! If all the major developed countries can elect a head-of-state from just the Popular-Vote, then so can Uncle Sam ... !

 

[bluesmoke]

Republicans, cons, are against anything that provides one single thing to people who can't otherwise afford what is necessary to progress in our socio-economic system but would rather give that which it would cost to the rich and large corps to increase their wealth and keep a knee on the neck of those in need. Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

Correction of 2nd to last sent: "...and push down those at the bottom...".

Please excuse my error.

 

[bluesmoke]

CHANGING THE VOTING SYSTEM FOR GOOD REASONS



Otherwise, this is the part I disagree with. The lack of a key economic parameter (defined here Income Disparity) is showing.

Yes, there must be differences in earnings, and thus wealth. The question remains, however, "What's fair, and what is not?"

And THAT is the question the Rich and Super Rich DO NOT WANT TO ANSWER.

Because "life-is-just-fine-!" the way taxation is in America? But it isn't! See here:

Uncle Sam's Income Discrimination of our taxation-system is the culprit, and we-the-sheeple must help the Dems tackle that problem to set it right. Upper-income taxation must not remain at the ridiculously low level it is today!

Whyzzat? Because the accumulation of capital does no further good to anybody but those who gather it!

Thanks to Ronnie-Raygun and other Replicant Presidents that "we-the-sheeple" have since voted into office who protected and promoted the low-level of Upper-income Taxation!

By means of a wretchedly-wrong system of voting that goes back more than two-centuries and created the Electoral College. Don't forget: Donald Dork was not the ONLY Replicant PotUS to get elected by losing the popular-vote! He was the latest of many!

My Point: Who in their right mind would, upon counting the vote, declare that the winner obtains also the vote against them - which is reported by each state to the "Electoral College" in Washington, DC?

It's insane! See here: These States Want To Drastically Change How A President Gets Elected In 2020

Moreover, the EC-vote does not even reflect the correct proportions of the voting public! If all the major developed countries can elect a head-of-state from just the Popular-Vote, then so can Uncle Sam ... !

But wait...there's more! Not to be outdone by Ronnie Raygun...zap! Donnie One-Up Trump has taken regression of the so-called progressive tax system to a whole new low level:


Effect of Trump Tax Plan on Distribution of Household Income
Projected Changes in the Distribution of Household Income, 2016 to 2021 (cbo.gov)

Shut up, eat your mush, be happy and vote Republican for a second helping of mush.

 

[Lafayette]

OUR BUDGETED NATIONAL FUNDING

Republicans, cons, are against anything that provides one single thing to people who can't otherwise afford what is necessary to progress in our socio-economic system but would rather give that which it would cost to the rich and large corps to increase their wealth and keep a knee on the neck of those in need. Raise the wealthy and large corps further up the ladder and push those at the bottom holding the ladder up. Vote Republican.

Oh, but every year that the Replicants have been managing Discretionary Spending, they manage to give a sizeable portion of it to the DoD! Where's the world-war?

Nothing but mindless battles in Muslim-countries that proved deadly (to our people) but altered absolutely nothing in that Middle East country. It is not easy to get a definitive death-count on total military losses since we invaded Iraq. But it is somewhere around 7000 military deaths.

And for what? Not one iota of change in the political situation there. We should get the hell out and stay out!

The DoD-budget* here below is eating-away a considerable portion of America's Discretionary Budget. That 16% of the national-budget could be better employed were it financing post-secondary educations to our kids ... !

*Yes, the data is from 2015. Nothing has changed since!

 

[bluesmoke]

OUR BUDGETED NATIONAL FUNDING



Oh, but every year that the Replicants have been managing Discretionary Spending, they manage to give a sizeable portion of it to the DoD! Where's the world-war?

Nothing but mindless battles in Muslim-countries that proved deadly (to our people) but altered absolutely nothing in that Middle East country. It is not easy to get a definitive death-count on total military losses since we invaded Iraq. But it is somewhere around 7000 military deaths.

And for what? Not one iota of change in the political situation there. We should get the hell out and stay out!

The DoD-budget* here below is eating-away a considerable portion of America's Discretionary Budget. That 16% of the national-budget could be better employed were it financing post-secondary educations to our kids ... !

*Yes, the data is from 2015. Nothing has changed since!

Only if the purpose of that financing was to move more students into post second ed vs simply financing those who get into college. Our higher ed gets good grades compared to the developed world. Less so our secondary ed, of whom fewer qualify by either grades or $. $, BTW, not just being cost, which has skyrocketed compared to market-basket prices, but because ya gotta work for a living and can't do both so "easily" as before because earnings have lost buying power.

 

[bluesmoke]

I see ya fell for all the rhetoric "Hook line and sinker"

I see you can't refute anything I said.

 

[bluesmoke]

CHANGING THE VOTING SYSTEM FOR GOOD REASONS



Otherwise, this is the part I disagree with. The lack of a key economic parameter (defined here Income Disparity) is showing.

Yes, there must be differences in earnings, and thus wealth. The question remains, however, "What's fair, and what is not?"

And THAT is the question the Rich and Super Rich DO NOT WANT TO ANSWER.

Because "life-is-just-fine-!" the way taxation is in America? But it isn't! See here:

Uncle Sam's Income Discrimination of our taxation-system is the culprit, and we-the-sheeple must help the Dems tackle that problem to set it right. Upper-income taxation must not remain at the ridiculously low level it is today!

Whyzzat? Because the accumulation of capital does no further good to anybody but those who gather it!

Thanks to Ronnie-Raygun and other Replicant Presidents that "we-the-sheeple" have since voted into office who protected and promoted the low-level of Upper-income Taxation!

By means of a wretchedly-wrong system of voting that goes back more than two-centuries and created the Electoral College. Don't forget: Donald Dork was not the ONLY Replicant PotUS to get elected by losing the popular-vote! He was the latest of many!

My Point: Who in their right mind would, upon counting the vote, declare that the winner obtains also the vote against them - which is reported by each state to the "Electoral College" in Washington, DC?

It's insane! See here: These States Want To Drastically Change How A President Gets Elected In 2020

Moreover, the EC-vote does not even reflect the correct proportions of the voting public! If all the major developed countries can elect a head-of-state from just the Popular-Vote, then so can Uncle Sam ... !

Those at the bottom of the income levels hold up the ladder for the higher income levels to stay at the top and push everyone else down.

The fed tax system was designed to be progressive, but the Republicans have turned it into a regressive system. But the people are so stupid, and the Dems so inept in their messaging response, they all succumb to the Rep line that it is better to lower taxes even though so dang many people don't make enough money to pay hardly any FIT. Then they also fall for the Rep argument against a higher min wage. In both cases, wealth is moved away from the avg American and those with less and towards the rich and large corps. Meanwhile, China middle class has grown to be a greater % than that of the US. Dirty Commi pinko socialist libs. Vote Republican.

Yup. Of the 5 candidates who won the pop vote but lost the presidency, all were Dems or a forerunner thereof.

 

[ataraxia]

Shut up, eat your mush, be happy and vote Republican for a second helping of mush.

And why do they do it? Because they have been told things like that no one else is going to fight for their right to own battlefield machine guns, and they are going to force them to stop saying Merry Christmas. With that, they can ride the poor fools like a donkey everywhere they like.

 

[bluesmoke]

OUR BUDGETED NATIONAL FUNDING



Oh, but every year that the Replicants have been managing Discretionary Spending, they manage to give a sizeable portion of it to the DoD! Where's the world-war?

Nothing but mindless battles in Muslim-countries that proved deadly (to our people) but altered absolutely nothing in that Middle East country. It is not easy to get a definitive death-count on total military losses since we invaded Iraq. But it is somewhere around 7000 military deaths.

And for what? Not one iota of change in the political situation there. We should get the hell out and stay out!

The DoD-budget* here below is eating-away a considerable portion of America's Discretionary Budget. That 16% of the national-budget could be better employed were it financing post-secondary educations to our kids ... !

*Yes, the data is from 2015. Nothing has changed since!

Speaking of Hillary and higher ed, and speaking of ME wars, howabout Hillary and the war? In so many words, Hillary said she gave Bush2 the authority to go to war thinking he would not go to war. Do I need to repeat that? When that vote came down, I don't know of anybody that didn't think we'd be going to war. No one. She said later that her vote was not a mistake because, again in so many words, tricked by Bush. So, the lady who complained of a vast RW conspiracy bought into Bush and Darth Vader Cheney's gambit. 11 yrs later, Hillary admitted she got it wrong. Whatta gal.

 

[bluesmoke]

And why do they do it? Because they have been told things like that no one else is going to fight for their right to own battlefield machine guns, and they are going to force them to stop saying Merry Christmas. With that, they can ride the poor fools like a donkey everywhere they like.

Reps appeal to emotion, which makes a connection that solidifies communication and erupts base fear and even hate that drives action, like voting, and over time it gets to the point of extremism, like Jan 6. It's a visceral thing that Dems are not capable of. They don't wear it well. I call it the AH theory. If your an AH, people know that is your character and accept it to the point they can work with it. When you're nice, they think very well of you for being so. Giving you credit for what they expect from all the nice guys they take as granted. When an AH acts like an AH, they expect that, so it's nothing unusual. If your a nice guy and act like an AH, that's out of character and a negative they will not accept. You are rejected. Dems do not look good wearing AH. So, they do what's expected of them and show up to a gunfight with a rubber knife. That's their role. It's in the script.