Religion of peace or a death cult?

[SgtRock]

The following is a partial list of terrorist acts commited by followers of the religion of peace, Islam. ~ Sgt Rock


1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5, 1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, Oct 23,1983 (Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.)
1984 Hezbollah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1984 Kuwait Airlines 221 hijacked and American passengers murdered
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Madrid Spain - Restaurant frequented by US servicemen bombed
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homicidal maniac lived in Saddam’s Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. (All 259 people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11 people on the ground. Dec. 21, 1988)
1988 Berlin Discothèque Bombing, Dec 21,1988 –disco was full of US servicemen
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1992 Hotel that housed US troops bombed in Yemen
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1993 "Black Hawk Down" incident in Mogadishu
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995 (A car bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.)
1995 "Operation Bojinka" plot to hijack 12 US airplanes is foiled
1995 Unsuccessful assassination attempt on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak
1995 US servicemen killed in bombing in Saudi Arabia
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack (June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.)
1996 Sudanese Missionary’s Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 US Embassy in Athens takes rocket fire.
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1997 Palestinian gunman shoots tourists at Empire State Building observation deck
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered (Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.)
1998 Americans murdered in Karachi
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
1999 Jordan- Terrorists arrested in millennium bombing plot
1999 Millennium bomber arrested in Washington state
2000 Americans kidnapped in Uzbekistan
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered (in Aden, Yemen, a small dinghy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others)
2000 Terrorists arrested attempting to bomb Strasbourg Cathedral in Germany
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 Plot to bomb US Embassy and Eagle Base airfield is stopped
2001 Plots to bomb NATO headquarters and US Embassy in Paris are foiled
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Tampa, FL., Fifteen year-old flies plane into an office building in Tampa. Suicide note reveals his admiration for Osama Bin Laden and desire to commit a terrorist attack.
2002 Pakistan - 2 American women killed in church grenade attack
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Los Angeles, CA., Muslim gunman kills two people waiting at the El Al counter in the LAX airport.
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Baton Rouge, Muslim sniper shoots a Korean mother in the back
2002 Montgomery, AL, Muslim sniper kills one woman and injures another
2002 US consulate in Indonesia is bombed
2002 Philippines - Bus depot attacked
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Philippines - restaurant full of US troops is nail bombed
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured

2002 Falls Church, VA , Muslim sniper kills 47-year-old woman
2002 October, Fredericksburg, VA, Muslim sniper kills 53-year-old man.
2002 October, Maryland, Muslim sniper kills three men and two women in five separate attacks
2002 October, Wheaton, MD, Muslim sniper kills 55-year-old man.
2002 Jordan, October 28, 1 killed, American diplomat shot dead by two al-Qaeda terrorists while sitting in his car.
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.

2002 December 30, Yemen, Muslim gunman posing as a father carrying a child kills three American humanitarian workers at a missionary hospital and wounds one other.
2003 Russian concert bombing
2003 Philippines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 Neveh Shalom Synagogue Bombing in Istanbul, Turkey
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
2003 Ticrit Mosque Bombing
2003 (August) Houston, TX, 1 killed , After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man
2004 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.( May 29–31)
2004 Jakarta , ( Sept.) Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia killed 9.
2004 Madrid , Spain, ( March 11 ) Simultaneous terrorist bombs exploded during rush hour traffic in packed commuter trains. Killing somewhere between 190 to 202 and 1500 wounded.
2004 Pakistan has arrested 10 al-Qaeda suspects, including two Egyptians, suspected of planning suicide attacks against government buildings and the US embassy. ( August 23) The plots bore the hallmarks of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network PLOT thwarted.
2004 Russia, (August) two airliners that crashed within minutes of each other after taking off from the same
airport, kills a total of 90 people. The announcement followed a claim by an Islamic group that supports
Chechen rebels saying it was responsible for both crashes.
2004 Baghdad (Sept.) - Insurgents detonated three car bombs near a U.S. military convoy in Baghdad on Thursday, killing 41 people, 34 of them children who were rushing to collect sweets from American troops.
2004 Baghdad, (Sept.) In two other attacks, a suicide bomber blew up his vehicle near a U.S. checkpoint outside the capital, killing two policemen and a U.S. soldier, and a car bomb killed four people in the restive northern Iraq town of Tal Afar.
2004 Russia ( Sept.) Terrorists, Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for the Russian school siege at the school in North Ossetia’s city of Beslan . The terrorists killed 340 Including 155 Children. The Hamas identifies with and supports Chechen and international Islamic terrorism.
2004 Iraq (October 4) Baghdad Car bomb kills 24 and wounds over 100Insurgents unleashed a
pair of powerful car bombs Monday near the symbol of U.S. authority in Iraq - the Green Zone, where the
U.S. Embassy and key government offices are located, and hotels occupied by hundreds of foreigners.
2004 Iraq (October 7) Rockets hit Baghdad Sheraton hotel Two rockets ripped through Baghdad Sheraton hotel, which houses foreign contractors and journalists late Thursday. Outside Baghdad, roadside bomb
exploded killing two American soldiers.

2004 Iraq, Baghdad, 9/21/04, Two American civilians are beheaded on videotape by an al-Qaeda group called 'Jihad and Unification.'

2004 December, Saudi Arabia, Jedda, 5 killed and 2 injured, al-Qaeda members attack the U.S. consulate in Saudi Arabia with grenades, killing at least five international contractors and injuring several Americans.

2005 London (July) During morning rush hour, explosions ripped through three subway trains and blasted the roof off a crowded red double-decker bus. Police said there had been no warning and that the blasts at three subway stations went off within 26 minutes, starting at 8:51 a.m. in an Underground train just outside the financial district. There is an Internet claim by a little-known group calling itself The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe that it staged the attacks. The blasts killed at least 50 people and at least 700 injured.

2005 (August) Al Queda fired on two U.S. warships docked at the Red Sea port of Aqaba, Jordan , missiles that were launched inside of Jordan. The missiles missed the U.S. ships but had they hit their target it would have been deadly.

2005 ( October 1 ) Indonesia ,Islamic suicide bombers murder nineteen people, mostly tourists, at two cafes and a restaurant in three coordinated attacks. Over one-hundred are injured.

2005 ( October 2 ) American Jihadi straps explosives to his body and heads to a crowded stadium. He changes his mind at the last moment and only kills himself.

2006 ( January 7,2006) Baghdad, Iraq, 1 killed and 1 injured, An American journalist is taken hostage, and her Iraqi translator murdered

2006 ( January 18) Basra, Iraq, 2 killed and 1 injured, Two American civilians are killed in a roadside terrorist bombing

2006 (March 3) Chapel Hill, NC Iranian immigrant plows his SUV into a crowd of students as 'retribution' for American policy overseas., 9 injured.

2006 (June 22) Miami, 7 terrorists caught by FBI and their planned attacks stopped. Their plans were aimed at the FBI building in Miami and the Sears Tower in Chicago.

2006 (July 25th) Seattle, Washington, Muslim gunman, Naveed Afzal Haq, shot up Seattle Jewish Center. Killing one woman and injuring 6 others.

2006 (August 10) plot foiled and arrest of 18 Muslim suspects, and more being sought in the UK and at least 2 other countries. Plot was to use liquid explosives on board of 10 planes. Planes to be headed for New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

 

[niftydrifty]

pfffffffft.

number of Muslims worldwide: approximately 1,600,000,000

number of peaceful followers of Islam: approximately 1,599,992,000

 

[SgtRock]

pfffffffft.

number of Muslims worldwide: approximately 1,600,000,000

number of peaceful followers of Islam: approximately 1,599,992,000

Did you do a survey? can you back that up? Just because someone says they are peacefull does not mean that they are. Im sure most muslims are peacefull, at least for now.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Did you do a survey? can you back that up? Just because someone says they are peacefull does not mean that they are. Im sure most muslims are peacefull, at least for now.

In bold. Doesn't that statement contradict your OP?

 

[Duke1985]

The Christians claim to be peaceful, but you got the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the Ku Kluz Klan considers themselves good Christians.

Does that mean Christians are a death cult too?

Point is, there are extremists in every group who take things a step to far. I hardly think we can assume every Islamic person is going to blow something up because their extremist factions like to do so.
By that rational we should assume Christians are going to string up blacks and jews and hunt heretics.

 

[Slainte]

The following is a partial list of terrorist acts commited by followers of the religion of peace, Islam. ~ Sgt Rock


1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated

That was a bad one to start with, Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian. :2wave:

 

[SgtRock]

That was a bad one to start with, Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian. :2wave:

To be honest with you I am not sure, from the researsh I have done its He is in fact a christian. I do know he is a Palestinian. He was taught in school as a young man to hate jews.

I guess I assumed he was muslim. He is a Christian, my mistake ~ Sgt Rock

 

[niftydrifty]

can you back that up?

sure.

Im sure most muslims are peacefull, at least for now.

I'm glad we agree.

 

[Cephus]

Did you do a survey? can you back that up? Just because someone says they are peacefull does not mean that they are. Im sure most muslims are peacefull, at least for now.

That's like saying most Christians are peaceful, at least for now. However, history shows that given half a chance, that's not always the case.

Let's not try implying things based on someone's religion, shall we?

 

[SgtRock]

That's like saying most Christians are peaceful, at least for now. However, history shows that given half a chance, that's not always the case.

Let's not try implying things based on someone's religion, shall we?

Who are you? Did someone put you incharge. I will imply what ever I wish.

 

[Iriemon]

Making a deduction for a group based upon the actions of a few is essentially bigotry.

If you have data showing that most, or at least a majority, of Muslims favor violence over peace based upon their religion would be data that would provide a basis for at least making a stereotypical assertion about the group, though that still would not mean or imply that all members of the group share the characteristics.

 

[SgtRock]

Making a deduction for a group based upon the actions of a few is essentially bigotry.

If you have data showing that most, or at least a majority, of Muslims favor violence over peace based upon their religion would be data that would provide a basis for at least making a stereotypical assertion about the group, though that still would not mean or imply that all members of the group share the characteristics.

The evidence is overwhelming. Islamic extreamist are more than you suggest. You say its a few. I say its quite more than just a few.

If the extreamist muslims have there way and Islam rules the world. The so called peacefull muslims will be part of this. What do you suppose they will do. Will they stand up aginst the extreamist? I doubt it. Are they standing up aginst them now? A few are, very few. Non muslims will convert or die, or become slaves. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[niftydrifty]

Sgt Rock, Iriemon asked for data. You gave none.

Islamic extreamist are more than you suggest. You say its a few. I say its quite more than just a few.

How do you know?

If the extreamist muslims have there way and Islam rules the world. The so called peacefull muslims will be part of this.

How do you know? Most Muslims in fact reject terrorism.

What do you suppose they will do. Will they stand up aginst the extreamist? I doubt it. Are they standing up aginst them now? A few are, very few. Non muslims will convert or die, or become slaves. ~ Sgt Rock

the only relevant "very few" vis a vis this topic are the Muslims that are actually violent.

 

[SgtRock]

I think there is enough data in my OP.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

the only relevant "very few" vis a vis this topic are the Muslims that are actually violent.

Did you just use vis a vis in a sentence? HOW DARE YOU?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra5-H9ZBS1U[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Duke1985]

Well I think the question is, assuming your right and it is some death cut, how will it be dealt with? Do we take military action to stomp out a religion, even if it is a death cult I'm not so sure I'm comfortable deploying troops so we can say no more Islamic faith.

 

[niftydrifty]

I think there is enough data in my OP.

alrighty then. there are a few dozen acts of terror listed in your OP. there are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims living on Earth.

Well I think the question is, assuming your right and it is some death cut, how will it be dealt with? Do we take military action to stomp out a religion, even if it is a death cult I'm not so sure I'm comfortable deploying troops so we can say no more Islamic faith.

please ... let's 86 all military actions based upon assumptions. the very mention of it is horrible.

 

[Iriemon]

Originally Posted by Iriemon
Making a deduction for a group based upon the actions of a few is essentially bigotry.

If you have data showing that most, or at least a majority, of Muslims favor violence over peace based upon their religion would be data that would provide a basis for at least making a stereotypical assertion about the group, though that still would not mean or imply that all members of the group share the characteristics.

The evidence is overwhelming. Islamic extreamist are more than you suggest. You say its a few. I say its quite more than just a few.

Again:

If you have data showing that most, or at least a majority, of Muslims favor violence over peace based upon their religion that would be data that would provide a basis for at least making a stereotypical assertion about the group, though that still would not mean or imply that all members of the group share the characteristics.

If the extreamist muslims have there way and Islam rules the world. The so called peacefull muslims will be part of this. What do you suppose they will do. Will they stand up aginst the extreamist? I doubt it. Are they standing up aginst them now? A few are, very few. Non muslims will convert or die, or become slaves. ~ Sgt Rock

Condemnation of the 9-11 attacks was widespread in the Muslim world. Even in Iran. There was little condemnation of the invasion of Afghanistan. Even Iran assisted us in it.

To the contrary, there is little condemnation of the forces resisting the US occupation of Iraq. That is because there is a good argument that the occupation is unjustified and is legitimately being resisted.

 

[Iriemon]

I think there is enough data in my OP.

There we have SgtRock's basis for his position. His own thinking.

The OP listed about 100 attacks over 40 years. If we make that overblown assumption there were 1000 people behind each of the attacks, that is about 100,000 Muslims. Out of a population of 1 billion that would be 1/100th of one percent.

 

[SgtRock]

There we have SgtRock's basis for his position. His own thinking.

The OP listed about 100 attacks over 40 years. If we make that overblown assumption there were 1000 people behind each of the attacks, that is about 100,000 Muslims. Out of a population of 1 billion that would be 1/100th of one percent.

I have come to my conclusion after reading the Quran more than once. Shall I quote the Quran for you?

 

[niftydrifty]

I have come to my conclusion after reading the Quran more than once. Shall I quote the Quran for you?

then your conclusion is wrong. btw, do you know Arabic?

 

[Cephus]

Who are you? Did someone put you incharge. I will imply what ever I wish.

Even if it's utterly false, apparently.

 

[Cephus]

The evidence is overwhelming. Islamic extreamist are more than you suggest. You say its a few. I say its quite more than just a few.

You say the evidence is overwhelming, how about you present some of this supposedly overwhelming evidence? Or did you just make that up too?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Curiosity Killed The Cat

"Curiosity Killed The Cat"

I was watching the PBS special on Jihad.
It explained that islam was principled on a belief that a committment to god, as the pursuit of virtue, was sufficient to be a muslim. And that the path of faith in practice was considered personal and often traditional.

The program then explained how Takfir (muslim excommunication) has been adopted by radicals to justify the killing of muslims by muslims. These groups also want an adherence to sharia law and the creation of islamic theocracies.

A motivator of these thoughts is wahhabism. Wahhabism (Arabic: الوهابية, Wahabism, Wahabbism) is an Islamic movement, named after Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab (1703–1792). It is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Perhaps it is not odd that most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia has been known to fund islamic conversions worldwide.

 

[Iriemon]

I have come to my conclusion after reading the Quran more than once. Shall I quote the Quran for you?

What does it say about Christians?