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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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In just about seven weeks, people will be able to start buying Obamacare-approved insurance plans through the new health care exchanges.


But already, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is predicting those plans, and the whole system of distributing them, will eventually be moot.


Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”


“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system - Las Vegas Sun News
Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
 

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Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
I find it very hard to judge Obamacare's implications. It is just too much legal verbiage and I have not seen any economic modelling.

I have looked at different systems and must say, that the USA has been paying rather a lot per head with not really terrific results on averages. I compared Germany as the archetype social system at one point with the US as the other end of the spectrum. I was surprised by some of the results.
The US spends almost double, what Germany does per head of the population, when you add public and private spending together. When you consider the number of insured the US social system spends much more per head on the poor and aged than Germany.
The German system also has lower quality (so say a number of well placed doctors in Germany like a friend, who runs a very large university hospital complex and another, who runs the pediatric hospital at another university) medical treatment in most areas. If you want top treatment go to Switzerland or the US. So they tell me.
Another problem, I am told, is with MRSA. It is worse than in the States and in fact with 30.000 deaths a year is so bad, that you cannot easily transfer patients from a German public hospital to a Dutch one, because Holland does not want the risk that entails.
 

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The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
 

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The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
The majority of campaign contributors and their lobbyists wanted exactly what we got or we would not have it. ;)
 

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Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
I've been saying that, all along.
 

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The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
Your proof? Thanks in advance.
 

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The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves. If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck. If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
 

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That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves.
It's very easy to call other people sheep to make yourself feel better. Justify that with better ideas, rather than just sneering.

If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck.
You mean like how the medical industry is geared around the insurance companies? And the impetus for healthcare reform has largely stemmed from a desire to take that allegiance away from insurance companies and place it into the hands of the American people? Obamacare did not do this enough, still sacrificing the health, wealth, and security of the poorest Americans to protect the profits of insurance companies. Cutting the insurance companies out of the equation entirely, through single payer, would accomplish this nicely.

If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
As opposed to what we have now and had before Obamacare, where they were responsible to profiteering insurance companies? How exactly is a corporate accountant more interested in your health than a bureaucrat? The former's job is only to make a profit for his employers, even at the cost of your life. The latter's only job would be to coordinate health services to ensure that you got what you needed. Meanwhile, doctors usually care about their patients' health, regardless of who is paying them.
 

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That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves. If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck. If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
 

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Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
Your "k" fetish is showing.

People wonder why America is so polarized these days, and all we have to do is look at Zimmer's post here to see why. No attempt at grown up discussion, just insults and gratuitous K's.
 

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Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
You need to back off on the Kool-Aid.
 

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Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.
How is a single payer system Socialism?

A single payer system is merely the conduit for payments. It does not own the hospitals. It does not hire the doctors. It does not make the drugs. While it may set pricing rules, the healthcare itself is not government owned or operated. Saying single payer is Socialism is saying that having your parents pay for everything in your household is Socialism.

TRICARE is actually Socialist where the government owns the means of production.
 

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Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
Speaking of low information voters, Diogenes doesn't even understand that a system like that is an individual pay for service, resulting in a Elysium style healthcare system. How he plans on affording healthcare when insurance no longer exists suggests to me he hasn't thought this through.

The current private healthcare industry is responsible to the insurance company holding your policy. Not you.

A single payer system could significantly reduce healthcare costs as the payer could depress healthcare costs simply by sheer force of weight the same way Walmart does on its products.
 

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The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
What polls are you sourcing for this assertion?
 

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How is a single payer system Socialism?

A single payer system is merely the conduit for payments. It does not own the hospitals. It does not hire the doctors. It does not make the drugs. While it may set pricing rules, the healthcare itself is not government owned or operated. Saying single payer is Socialism is saying that having your parents pay for everything in your household is Socialism.

TRICARE is actually Socialist where the government owns the means of production.
Oh kome on, Obama did it so it is klearly Socialist. Obama kould deregulate every business and it would still be socialism.
 

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Because conservatives want to rewrite history:

Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#3 of 6) - PNHP's Official Blog
Healthcare-NOW! - Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
What do Americans really want for healthcare insurance? Single Payer | If Liz were Queen

I know that the right wing likes to get itself in a frenzy over the socialist boogeyman, but most Americans don't ignore obviously good reforms just because paranoid wingnuts slap a label on it and call it socialist. The rest of the first world calls it common sense. And, of course, to non-frothy wacko types, socialist doesn't mean evil. It just means different.
 

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Oh kome on, Obama did it so it is klearly Socialist. Obama kould deregulate every business and it would still be socialism.
This forum would go up in IQ if people started using words based on their actual definitions rather than defining things as they see fit with no regards to their meanings.

I did find it funny how the same people who bash Obama on "socialism" were attacking his proposal to make TRICARE beneficiary fees higher. Obama actively tries to make Socialist medicine less socialist and he's attacked by the same people who decry Obamacare as Socialism. Obama Derangement syndrome is just as prevalent as Bush Derangement syndrome.
 

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This forum would go up in IQ if people started using words based on their actual definitions rather than defining things as they see fit with no regards to their meanings.

I did find it funny how the same people who bash Obama on "socialism" were attacking his proposal to make TRICARE beneficiary fees higher. Obama actively tries to make Socialist medicine less socialist and he's attacked by the same people who decry Obamacare as Socialism. Obama Derangement syndrome is just as prevalent as Bush Derangement syndrome.
Why do you hate Amerika you Kommie pinco socialist?
 

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Because conservatives want to rewrite history:

Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#3 of 6) - PNHP's Official Blog
Healthcare-NOW! - Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
What do Americans really want for healthcare insurance? Single Payer | If Liz were Queen

I know that the right wing likes to get itself in a frenzy over the socialist boogeyman, but most Americans don't ignore obviously good reforms just because paranoid wingnuts slap a label on it and call it socialist. The rest of the first world calls it common sense. And, of course, to non-frothy wacko types, socialist doesn't mean evil. It just means different.
Interesting, so you think that because you post 2 links to organizations that parrot your view, and vice versa on UHC, that this constitutes what a "majority of America wants"? Talk about thinking in a bubble....
 

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Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
What's with Wingnuts and their insistence on putting a "K" where there should be a "C"? Do they not realize how stupid it makes them look? Nobody takes serious a post that calls America "AmeriKa" or Obamacare "ObamaKare". WTF?
 

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*sigh* Yet another thread in not discussion of any meaning (thanks to liberal progressives that can't stomach honest discussion on topic) but rather a devolved glorified, childish name calling session dragged into the gutter by self absorbed boobs.
 

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Never understood why anyone would want Medicare for all. Its almost a necessity to carry Medicare supplemental insurance just to make it somewhat affordable.
 

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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system
we should have just done that in the first place and skipped the heritage foundation private insurance plan from the 1990s.
 

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Never understood why anyone would want Medicare for all. Its almost a necessity to carry Medicare supplemental insurance just to make it somewhat affordable.
It is amazing how, even though rates are going up and up, as are deductibles, and another big jump is soon coming, people still support this load of dung.

Soon, we'll be a nation of part-time workers going to the free clinic for healthcare. Yay, we're Africa.
 
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