Reid: 'Journalism doesn't exist'

[TheDemSocialist]

Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is hailing a Las Vegas man who said he successfully peddled a false story about the Senate minority leader being beaten up by his brother. “What this guy proved to me is that journalism doesn’t exist,” Reid told the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Tuesday. “I wish I’d meet this guy and pat him on the back.”

Larry Pfeifer claimed to the Las Vegas Sun that he was behind the rumor that Reid, who suffered a New Year's Day home exercise accident, was attacked by his brother, Larry. Pfeifer said he wanted to see if people would run with the story.
Some right-leaning blogs and radio shows acknowledged the story from a man using the pseudonym Easton Elliott.
Pfeifer later dinged conservative hosts for even considering the rumor to be true.
“The fact that someone can say something completely false that can destroy somebody’s life, it’s just wrong. Where’s the moral compass?” Pfeifer told the Sun.
He called Reid's local office in Nevada on Tuesday to apologize for the publicized rumor, the senator's aides told the Review-Journal.
“I don’t see why he should apologize," Reid insisted to the newspaper. "I’m glad at what he did.

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism

 

[Fletch]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

Right. If journalism existed it would have called out that lying scumbag Reid for the lies he made about Romney on the Senate floor.

 

[Crovax]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

If we had real journalists they might actually talk about how a senate majority leader told a blatant lie about a presidential candidate on the senate floor

 

[TheDemSocialist]

If we had real journalists they might actually talk about how a senate majority leader told a blatant lie about a presidential candidate on the senate floor

You betcha.

 

[Helvidius]

Journalists have certainly sold out for the almighty $ and fame. To an extent, I think the public should take some blame for making it worth their while to do so.

 

[pbrauer]

If we had real journalists they might actually talk about how a senate majority leader told a blatant lie about a presidential candidate on the senate floor

While I am not condoning it, during elections lies are told by both sides. Mitt Romney had some lies of his own.

 

[Crovax]

While I am not condoning it, during elections lies are told by both sides. Mitt Romney had some lies of his own.

there is a difference between blatant lies and rhetoric, word twisting and inaccurate claims.

Reid told a lie backed by an anonymous source that he trusted and is now whining because journalists are just as crooked as he is.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

there is a difference between blatant lies and rhetoric, word twisting and inaccurate claims.

Reid told a lie backed by an anonymous source that he trusted and is now whining because journalists are just as crooked as he is.

And now this somehow is turned into a partisan argument. "na my parties lies arent as bad as your/other parties lies!" :sinking:

 

[Born Free]

And now this somehow is turned into a partisan argument. "na my parties lies arent as bad as your/other parties lies!" :sinking:

Hey I give you credit for calling out Reid on his lies, but worse than that he did not serve the senate. He carried Obama's water at every turn. Now under new leadership there seems to be some bipartisanship, especially when it comes to trusting Obama.

 

[Thrilla]

hehe.. Reid would be in jail if journalism existed how most believe it should exist....

 

[sangha]

Yellow journalism is nothing new.

But the shock and horror that people express about it continue to be amusing.

 

[Crovax]

And now this somehow is turned into a partisan argument. "na my parties lies arent as bad as your/other parties lies!" :sinking:

What did you expect when you posted an article about the total moral bankruptcy of Harry Reid?

 

[OrphanSlug]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

Journalism has always been an interesting subject, but I disagree that we are all of sudden worse. If you reviewed some of the nonsense printed back in the early 1900s it all comes off as slanderous and damn near soap opera like. If anything, it is the Television and Internet that speed up the process and gave us extremely more opportunities to abuse journalism. But the abuse has always been there, I would even go so far as to say it the abuse was intentional given the historical to today interest in owning the various methods of journalism delivery to the public.

However, that is the burden of our freedoms. And I'd rather have the abused and questionable journalism over government deciding what is and is not abuse. Imagine the disaster if we allowed the government to step in on this.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

What did you expect when you posted an article about the total moral bankruptcy of Harry Reid?

Well other than just using his examples, acknowledging his hypocrisy, and then stating this: "Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism"
Just a little confused why your comment is: "there is a difference between blatant lies and rhetoric".... :roll: C'mon, you are literally trying justifying the exact same you criticized....

 

[Crovax]

Well other than just using his examples, acknowledging his hypocrisy, and then stating this: "Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism"
Just a little confused why your comment is: "there is a difference between blatant lies and rhetoric".... :roll: C'mon, you are literally trying justifying the exact same you criticized....

telling just your side of an issue (ie Romney's "lies") is pretty normal and accepted in politics, making blatant false statement about another person is not. If you really can't see a difference between the two, there isn't anyway you could tell fake journalism from real journalism anyways so you have nothing to worry about

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Journalism has always been an interesting subject, but I disagree that we are all of sudden worse. If you reviewed some of the nonsense printed back in the early 1900s it all comes off as slanderous and damn near soap opera like. If anything, it is the Television and Internet that speed up the process and gave us extremely more opportunities to abuse journalism. But the abuse has always been there, I would even go so far as to say it the abuse was intentional given the historical to today interest in owning the various methods of journalism delivery to the public.

However, that is the burden of our freedoms. And I'd rather have the abused and questionable journalism over government deciding what is and is not abuse. Imagine the disaster if we allowed the government to step in on this.

I dont think anyone would argue for government controlling all media. However a lot of these outlets as "news" or "journalism", calling them "news stations", calling what a lot is practices as "journalism" is ridiculous.
I honestly have no idea what we can do in return. My argument is not a "msnbc is liberal" and "fox is right", its a our journalistic standards seem to be incredibly ****ing low, and they seem to be deepening lower and lower.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

telling just your side of an issue (ie Romney's "lies") is pretty normal and accepted in politics, making blatant false statement about another person is not. If you really can't see a difference between the two, there isn't anyway you could tell fake journalism from real journalism anyways so you have nothing to worry about

Please continue how one lie is worse than the other argument. :roll:
You are literally justifying one person lying over another. Literally. Lying is not "well I didnt know". Lying: "used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression."
All these statements: All Pants on Fire! statements involving Mitt Romney | PolitiFact
Are no different from these statements: All Pants on Fire! statements involving Harry Reid | PolitiFact
Both lies. Both bull****. Both passed off as fact.

 

[sangha]

telling just your side of an issue (ie Romney's "lies") is pretty normal and accepted in politics, making blatant false statement about another person is not. If you really can't see a difference between the two, there isn't anyway you could tell fake journalism from real journalism anyways so you have nothing to worry about

 

[Crovax]

Please continue how one lie is worse than the other argument. :roll:
You are literally justifying one person lying over another. Literally. Lying is not "well I didnt know". Lying: "used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression."
All these statements: All Pants on Fire! statements involving Mitt Romney | PolitiFact
Are no different from these statements: All Pants on Fire! statements involving Harry Reid | PolitiFact
Both lies. Both bull****. Both passed off as fact.

No I am pointing out the difference between twisting facts, and leaving out unwelcome details and telling a blatant lie that you know to be false.

case in point one of your pants on fire "lies"

Mitt Romney says Barack Obama began his presidency "with an apology tour" | PolitiFact

Nile Gardiner, a foreign policy analyst with the the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Obama was definitely apologizing.

John Murphy, a communications professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, studies presidential rhetoric and political language. He said Obama used conciliatory language for diplomatic purposes, not apologizing

apparently Romney was a "liar" because politifact agreed with the democrat viewpoint on the issue.

You would have to be a total ****ing moron to claim that differing opinions on a speech were truth and lies.

If you think an opinion is a fact you dont have the required skills to critique journalism

 

[Lovebug]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

Yes, I do as well.
Journalism has turned into gossip mongering at best. Only very few seem to be capable of reporting the facts.
I have just last night seen an interview during which the interviewer seemed to be taken aback by the answers of a bar owner. While she kept prying for answers to suit her agenda, the bar owner kept answering in a calm and truthful manner. I switched the channel giggling and don't know how it turned out.

But Harry? He better not ask for an apology. I find his lies far more consequential.

 

[bubbabgone]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

True enough.
It would help that actual Journalists like Sharyl Atkisson get recognition and Howard Dean gets ridiculed when he call the NYT and WAPO sloppy and right-wing.

 

[bubbabgone]

Yes, I do as well.
Journalism has turned into gossip mongering at best. Only very few seem to be capable of reporting the facts.
I have just last night seen an interview during which the interviewer seemed to be taken aback by the answers of a bar owner. While she kept prying for answers to suit her agenda, the bar owner kept answering in a calm and truthful manner. I switched the channel giggling and don't know how it turned out.

But Harry? He better not ask for an apology. I find his lies far more consequential.

I think I saw the same interview.
It was pretty obvious.
Either it was as you said or the bar owner was thinking she'd better not cross the Mayor if she wants to stay in business.
I'm leaning pretty heavily toward what you said.

 

[fmw]

There is plenty of journalism, just in the area of politics. Journalists have an agenda and they fail to supress it when covering things political. Everyone should know that going in.

 

[tres borrachos]

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And for the most part I would agree. Journalism is dissolving and dissolving fast, especially from the mainstream and some outlets that are simply about shock and ratings. Its sad that we dont see a lot good in depth reporting, from the mainstream, and its sad that some news outlets on the mainstream and from alternative outlets will make up rumors and literally run anything just so long as it goes to an echo chamber. We need more objective, in depth, tough, and substantive journalism [/FONT][/COLOR]

Obviously. Real journalists would have taken that doddering old fool to task for polluting the Senate floor with his attacks on private citizens and promoting his obsession with the name of a football team.