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Regime change in Russia: Why not?

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Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Sure, give the Ukrainians enough weapons and maybe air support and they'll march right up to Moscow.

They should have trounced Russia on their own soil but then who would give them weapons?
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Regime change is one of those buzz phrases that gets thrown around a lot, but is only meaningful if it can be meaningfully executed. To wit, we've been working on regime change in North Korea for over half a century with no progress made. So, it's easier said than done.

That said, Russian money managed to convince Americans to elect a chronically lying, failed business and serial adulterer reality TV host to our Presidency, so who knows, maybe it's possible for us to achieve regime change in Russia without firing a shot. What we need is a Russian Tucker Carlson and a Russian Rush Limbaugh friendly to our cause. We also need to open up one small loophole in our sanctions: the ability to send money to social media influencers to get a Let's Go Putin! movement going.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

.....remind us how that ended for the Germans? I’ll give you a hint....with a red flag over Berlin.

Some folks never got over their Cold War fantasies, and it shows.
 
Biden saying what he did about Putin needing to be removed was a very stupid thing to say. If our hope is that people rise up and overthrow Putin then Biden's words run counter to that hope. Russian citizens on the fence about Putin and or the Ukraine invasion are pushed to Putin with Bidens words. The idea of a NATO invasion or a USA invasion will only rally people around Putin. Russian people in general do not hate Putin. They see him as the president that cleaned up Russia and made it orderly after the chaos that was post USSR.

Tough talk that you do not mean or will not follow through on, only makes Biden look ultimately weak.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

I'm sure we are, "behind the scenes."

And since before the invasion. Not enough...need to ramp it up.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
You know that sending Lenin into Russia, and his eventual takeover, was bad, right?
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Good question. I am all for Putin being overthrown...by Russians. But I do not think we should play any part whatsoever in choosing Putin's "successor."

I certainly do not think we should back a brutal, indefatigable political extremist like the equivalent of Lenin.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)


I profoundly believe that is EXACTLY what the NATO pact wants. And the US and its allies have been working at that very thing since long before Putin lets the dogs out or before Biden noticed. (At least he noticed, the GOP is still after Biden's son's briefcase)

In the bigger picture Putin is in end game. Look, Superboy Trudeau just said Putin would "lose this war". When & where did he grow a pair? What it shows is that he's on vary solid ground with lots of friends. Unlike his dad, this guy never knew an issue he couldn't duck.)

Nope, it reflects whats happening behind closed doors. Putin did not expect the rest of Europe to join together. Let's face it the EU has been in crisis mode since Brexit started . (Frankly I'm astonished Mr. Trudeau didn't drop the ball but he's really pissed off Putin)

The last time Putin impudently simply rolled his tanks into the Crimea, the greatest hostile land grab since WW2. I recall someone in the Obama administration reflecting "outrage" at the action.

So, he had no idea the leaking ship Free Europe could right itself or that Ukrannians would prove to be superior on the battlefield. (I kind of feel sorry him, my first wife is Ukrainian born!)

So, now like any good chess player unable to win his first objective, he considers options.

Let us hope that someone on the NATO side understands chess. I'm as worried about Putin winning as I am of Biden trying . He's his league. With Europe having acted as one before the US launched sanctions I doubt Biden's people are influenced by the US at this time.

What is worrying to the so-called "Arctic Pact" countries is that Washington seems to have forgotten Sarah Palin can see Russia from her window and are not paying attention.
 
The USG needs another comparably stupid (as the USG) nuclear arsenal government as its enemy and China's not stupid enough to take Russia's place, so P**** will probably stay or the CIA will install another dicktater.

They probably won't let him be brought up on war crime charges either.
 
This war is not going to end as long as the Coward sits in the Kremlin.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
RobertU:

I can think of 6257 very good reasons why the US Government should not try to effect regime change in Russia. They are all nuclear and explosive in nature (although some implode first). It is in humanity's best interests to keep Russia as stable as possible until Mr. Putin is removed from office by Russians or dies in office.

Cheers, be well and stay alive.
Evilroddy.
 
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Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

It already happened in my lifetime so I won't be surprised if it happens again, in MY lifetime.
 
Should the U.S. work toward regime change in Russia? Why not? It’s worked before when the Germans helped Lenin overthrow the Kerensky regime

No matter Lenin’s real intentions, it is undeniable that he received German logistical and financial support in 1917, and that his actions, from antiwar agitation in the Russian armies to his request for an unconditional cease-fire, served the interests of Russia’s wartime enemy in Berlin. — “Was Lenin a German Agent?”, The New York Times, June 19, 2017

What singled Lenin out from fellow Russian socialists was his fanatical opposition to the war and his support for Ukrainian independence.

It’s time for history to repeat itself. At the least, suspicion that one or more foreign governments are financing his potential overthrow should send Putin into a tailspin of paranoia, leading to more house arrests of Kremlin insiders and seeding distrust that could disrupt his war effort.

Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
No, because working towards regime change is playing directly into Putin's hands. He uses the aggressive talk as propoganda at home. Russians will rally around Putin. Saying what Biden did was reckless and stupid. Why do you think they spend the days after walking it back. It was yet another big blunder.
 
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