• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Redistribution?

Xerographica

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 16, 2010
Messages
2,071
Reaction score
163
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
A question for the libertarians...

Does redistribution of wealth bribe the poor not to revolt?

A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?
 

samsmart

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 7, 2009
Messages
10,315
Reaction score
6,468
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?

Well, to be fair, I don't think it's only liberals who should be concerned about the redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries.

After all, the more jobs that get outsourced from the U.S., the fewer economic opportunities there are for Americans. Also, the major industries that's being outsourced are manufacturing industries. These industries, ever since the industrialization of our nation, have been the core source of jobs for the middle class.

Because these middle class jobs are being outsourced, there is less of a middle class in our nation. That means that the gap between the wealthiest and the poor has been growing. However, the poor do not earn enough that can be taxed to maintain American superiority. That means that the wealthiest have been forced to bear more and more of the tax burden because there are fewer earners of wages at a level easily able to pay taxes to maintain national defense, national infrastructure, regulatory agencies, and law enforcement.

So it's not only liberals who should be concerned, but also conservatives. After all, the greater redistribution of middle class jobs from rich countries to poor countries is one factor that forces greater redistribution of wealth from the wealthiest to the poorest.
 

drz-400

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2009
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
551
Location
North Dakota
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
A question for the libertarians...

Does redistribution of wealth bribe the poor not to revolt?

A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?

If you mean jobs being sent overseas, like free trade, or something like that I have no problem with that as I think globalization is a good thing. If you mean also helping poor countries by sending them welfare checks or something like that, while it would think it is good intentioned, I would say most people do not advocate it because they are not part of our political community,
 

tacomancer

Christian Capitalist Social Democrat
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 8, 2010
Messages
44,212
Reaction score
24,368
Location
Akron
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?

I have a bit of a nationalistic urge and wish to see my country come out on top. Logically, nations should not be a barrier, but my instincts often form my preferences. Not proud of it, but it is true.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
A question for the libertarians...

Does redistribution of wealth bribe the poor not to revolt?

A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?

Question for conservatives/libertarians:

Why is redistribution of wealth from the middle class to rich people not only considered ok, but sound economic policy?
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
255,240
Reaction score
77,424
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
people get confused. if someone earns more and more money that is not redistribution, For example when a top poker player wins a big pot that is not redistribution. when Rafa Nadal wins more prize money than the guys ranked 12-600 combined that is not redistribution of money. Redistribution is when the government takes money from someone who earned it, inherited it or won it and gives it to people who did nothing to earn, win or inherit the money
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
people get confused. if someone earns more and more money that is not redistribution, For example when a top poker player wins a big pot that is not redistribution. when Rafa Nadal wins more prize money than the guys ranked 12-600 combined that is not redistribution of money. Redistribution is when the government takes money from someone who earned it, inherited it or won it and gives it to people who did nothing to earn, win or inherit the money

Oh, so all that money the government shovels into the hands of private businesses through a corrupt contracting process is money they earned.

Got it.
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
255,240
Reaction score
77,424
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Oh, so all that money the government shovels into the hands of private businesses through a corrupt contracting process is money they earned.

Got it.

you think that most money corporations get comes from that? and that such moneys don't go to say union members, workers etc?

I understand why you are so confused. "corrupt contracting system". Any proof that is widespread? try again, you FAIL on this count
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
you think that most money corporations get comes from that? and that such moneys don't go to say union members, workers etc?

I understand why you are so confused. "corrupt contracting system". Any proof that is widespread? try again, you FAIL on this count

I looked through my post to find the word "most." Couldn't find it. Can you give me a hand?
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
255,240
Reaction score
77,424
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
I looked through my post to find the word "most." Couldn't find it. Can you give me a hand?

ah OK you think all corporations engage in that

my bad
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
255,240
Reaction score
77,424
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
What level of redistribution of wealth to corporations is acceptable for you?

I don't even agree with your premise or your assumptions
 

pbrauer

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 6, 2010
Messages
25,394
Reaction score
7,206
Location
Oregon
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok...
How about letting us all know when that starts happening... for the last 30 years its been going in the opposite direction.
 

Barbbtx

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
8,467
Reaction score
1,993
Location
W'Ford TX
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Conservative
A question for the libertarians...

Does redistribution of wealth bribe the poor not to revolt?

A question for the liberals...

Why is redistribution of wealth from rich people to poor people ok but redistribution of jobs from rich countries to poor countries not ok?

Why don't we just keep it simple. You keep most of what you earn and I'll keep most of what I earn. The rest goes to a limited government that keeps us safe and takes care of those who really can't take of themselves because they have no one else to care for them.
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
255,240
Reaction score
77,424
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
How about letting us all know when that starts happening... for the last 30 years its been going in the opposite direction.

really? so there hasn't been billions spent on the poor or middle class and the top 1% don't pay 40% of the income tax and the top 10% don't pay most of the income tax
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Why don't we just keep it simple. You keep most of what you earn and I'll keep most of what I earn. The rest goes to a limited government that keeps us safe and takes care of those who really can't take of themselves because they have no one else to care for them.

Well, I hope you don't vote Democrat or Republican, in that case.
 

imagep

Villiage Idiot
DP Veteran
Joined
May 7, 2010
Messages
24,399
Reaction score
10,426
Location
Upstate SC
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
The purpose of redistributation is to allow the game to continue.

Someone used a poker tournament as an example. Typically in poker there is one player who is better than all the rest. Ultimately he wins all the money and eventually the fun ends because there is no more money to bet.

The same with our economy, some people attract money, ultimately, without some form of redistributation, they would aquire all of the wealth, and our economy, as we know it today, would end.

What would happen if evaporation stopped? Ultimately, rain would stop, our rivers would stop flowing, and all of the water on earth would be held by our greatest lakes and oceans. Most of our land masses would become barren desserts unable to support life.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
76,942
Reaction score
33,983
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
The purpose of redistributation is to allow the game to continue.

Someone used a poker tournament as an example. Typically in poker there is one player who is better than all the rest. Ultimately he wins all the money and eventually the fun ends because there is no more money to bet.

The same with our economy, some people attract money, ultimately, without some form of redistributation, they would aquire all of the wealth, and our economy, as we know it today, would end.

What would happen if evaporation stopped? Ultimately, rain would stop, our rivers would stop flowing, and all of the water on earth would be held by our greatest lakes and oceans. Most of our land masses would become barren desserts unable to support life.

There does seem to be some critical breakpoint of wealth disparity that might be part of the trigger for a recession/depression. The Great Depression occured right at such a point, and our latest recession also occured at a high point in wealth disparity. I speculate that this might happen because if too much wealth ends up in the hands of a small number of people, the middle class has less and less to spend. Since the wealthy are running businesses that largely rely on middle class spending, things go haywire.

Obviously there are numerous factors, but I think this may be one of them.

And before the "TAKIN MY MONEEH" crowd chimes in, no, nobody is advocating total equalization here. The communists are not out to get you.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom