Red wine, white wine, rosé - or other?

[Cordelier]

Well - to make matters more complicated and confusing ....
.... there is another theory.
According to this theory, "Herbst" in this case has nothing to do with either harvest ot autumn, but with "Arbst" - an old and half forgotten grape variety.
But I do not see any logic in this. For Weißherbst may be made from any red grape, not just from Arbst.

I thought Weißherbst was only made from one specific red grape, though?

No - it has nothing to to with Eiswein.

Weißherbst is a special kind of Rosé.
A red wine that has been produced like a white wine.
And the difference to the usual Rosé: A Weißherbst must be of higher quality und from one grape variety only.

 

[Rumpel]

that's why I thought it might have been an Eiswein... "White Autumn" to me connotes an early frost that freezes grapes on the vine.

A good guess - but it just isn't that way.

 

[Rumpel]

I thought Weißherbst was only made from one specific red grape, though?

What i meant is:
It can be made from any red grape - but not from a mixture of those red grapes.

 

[Cordelier]

Well - to make matters more complicated and confusing ....
.... there is another theory.
According to this theory, "Herbst" in this case has nothing to do with either harvest ot autumn, but with "Arbst" - an old and half forgotten grape variety.
But I do not see any logic in this. For Weißherbst may be made from any red grape, not just from Arbst.

Also... Arbst is a variety of Pinot, and it has it's own White and Blue varieties - Weißer Arbst and Blauer Arbst.

 

[Cordelier]

What i meant is:
It can be made from any red grape - but not from a mixture of those red grapes.

Ahhh... sehr gut.

 

[Rumpel]

When I go to have lunch at a nearby restaurant, I always enjoy a Weißherbst there.

Weißherbst = rosé made from a single grape variety and of high quality​

 

[craig]

When I go to have lunch at a nearby restaurant, I always enjoy a Weißherbst there.

Weißherbst = rosé made from a single grape variety and of high quality​

What do you eat with that wine?

 

[Rumpel]

What do you eat with that wine?

Whatever is on the menu
Weißherbst goes with nearly everything - and can also be enjoyed on its own.

 

[Rumpel]

@ Rosé and Weißherbst and Schiller

In terms of name the decision to use the Francophone word ‘rosé’ has been taken deliberately, albeit reluctantly, the potential alternatives such a Weißherbst or Schiller not really working on an international market. A shame, but perfectly understandable.

German rosé - everything you need to know about German pink wine

Wine expert Simon Field MW looks at the many dilemmas facing German rosé as a wine category and talks to leading winemakers about the right path to take

www.the-buyer.net

The terms Rosé and Weißherbst and Schiller are not completely identical.

Rosé is the general term. Weißherbst and Schiller are special forms of Rosé.
Here in Germany we also use the word Rosé, of course.

 

[Rumpel]

@ Schillerwein

In Germany, for example, there is a wine called ‘Schillerwein” that is produced by blending red and white grapes before fermentation. You can only find “Schillerwein” in the region of Württemberg in the south of Germany. Ideally, the red and white grapes are planted in mixed lots in the vineyards and are harvested and treated together.

The name of the wine has nothing to do with the famous German poet Friedrich von Schiller (although he is from Württemberg). The wine got its name from the verb “schillern”. The verb “schillern” means “to scintillate”. “Schillerwein” is thus a wine with a scintillating color, reflecting the fact that the wine is a blend of red and white grapes.

Schillerwein-a German Specialty | i-WineReview Articles

i-winereview.com

 

[Allan]

I had this Ontario wine in a restaurant this week. It was very good.

 

[Rumpel]

"Baco noir"

Baco noir (pronounced BA-koh NWAHR) is a hybrid red wine grape variety produced by Francois Baco from a cross of Vitis vinifera var. Folle blanche, a French wine grape, and an unknown variety of Vitis riparia indigenous to North America.

Baco noir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Great wine!

 

[Rumpel]

I had this Ontario wine in a restaurant this week. It was very good.

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Good - so I have learned about this variety today!

 

[Rumpel]

seven
out of eleven

say:

red wine​

 

[Rumpel]

Hi Juks!
You are welcome!
Yes, that is a Weißherbst as it should be!

A cool Weißherbst mixed with mineral water = Weißherbst-Schorle is the ideal drink on hot summer days.

 

[Rumpel]

Now it is summer again, am into Rosé!

 

[Rumpel]

• Total voters 11

So far:

4 x white
2 x rosé
7 x red

 

[Rumpel]

• Weißherbst = rosé made from a single grape variety and of high quality​

Weißherbst deserves to be better known.

 

[Rumpel]

These days I enjoy:

• rosé​

• and especially this kind of a rosé:

• Weißherbst = rosé made from a single grape variety and of high quality​

 

[Rumpel]

Tonight I have enjoyed a Weißherbst again.
More later.

 

[Rumpel]

In short:
Every Weißherbst is also a Rosé.
But not every Rosé is a Weißherbst.

 

[Rumpel]

Again:

Rosé and Weißherbst

Roséwein – Produced from red varieties with a shorter maceration, the wine must have pale red or clear red color

Weißherbst – A rosé wine which must conform to special rules: must be Qualitätswein or Prädikatswein, single variety and be labelled with the varietal name. There are no restrictions as to the color of the wine, so they range from pale gold to deep pink. Weißherbst wines also range from dry to sweet, such as rosé Eiswein from Spätburgunder.

German wine classification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rumpel]

I thought Weißherbst was only made from one specific red grape, though?

There I have created a special thread about Weißherbst now:

about the difference between Rosé and Weißherbst

about the difference between Rosé and Weißherbst For a long time I did not know the difference. When I asked the waitress in a good restaurant about the meaning of "Weißherbst" that was written on the menu, she had no idea. The chief boss of that restaurant than gave my some explanation...

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