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Recovering Libertarian

That's what most libertarians are. Conservatives in denial.

Particularly nowadays. Libertarian sounds cool to young conservatives. It's their attempt to prove they are 'open-minded' because they support legalizing prostitution and drugs all while defending capitalism at every turn.
 
Every time I see someone flying a Gadson flag and then the thin blue line flag bellow it I lose a year off my life expectancy. I recon I have a few years left to live.

We just need to infiltrate police departments with LGBTQ+ folks and the right will turn on them in a flash, just as they did with the military. 😄
 
We just need to infiltrate police departments with LGBTQ+ folks and the right will turn on them in a flash, just as they did with the military. 😄
Conservatives: "pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Nothing is free! You want free college? Join the military!"

Military: *Implements targeted advertisements towards college age students for recruitment*

Broke millennials/zoomers: "Ok" *joins the military*

Conservatives: "Why does our military have so many woke college students in it 😭"
 
I mean, if we look at 98% of human history/existence especially before the agricultural revolution, societies have been pretty dang socialist.

I dont agree, but not the proper place for this argument. I was just responding to the op.
 
Except libertarianism was originally a term associated with the anti-state socialists/communists/anarchists of the 19th and 20th centuries. The term was co-opted by right-wing Americans during the 20th century.

Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[14] Left-libertarian[20] ideologies include anarchist schools of thought, alongside many other anti-paternalist and New Left schools of thought centered around economic egalitarianism as well as geolibertarianism, green politics, market-oriented left-libertarianism and the Steiner–Vallentyne school.[24]

Regardless, its an oxymoron today.
 
This isn’t really the thread for this, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunity elsewhere in the future.





Thank you. :)
Apologies. As usual, I never have any idea what thread I'm on.

:oops:
 
Yup, typical modern GOP who jumps to the immediate authoritarian conclusion.

"While theoretically marriage is a personal decision whose continuation should be left purely to the couple, in the real world no-fault divorce has been a disaster and marriage is the fundamental building block of society in which, therefore, society has a vested interest."
 
Refugee from another another "discussion" site, didn't notice this forum when I signed up last weekend. Became an Ivory Tower Libertarian in College, called myself a Pragmatic Religious Libertarian for years as Real Life ground away at the edges, until I've recently admitted I've turned into a (mostly) Conservative.

Given your user name, I can comment that IMO Libertarianism is a common college-aged 'guy thing'. It was foe me then, and I hang on to a few principles still - but have jettisoned the rest.

Remember,

"Libertarian is when you don't have the guts to be an anarchist!" :p

Catch ya' 'round!
 
Refugee from another another "discussion" site, didn't notice this forum when I signed up last weekend. Became an Ivory Tower Libertarian in College, called myself a Pragmatic Religious Libertarian for years as Real Life ground away at the edges, until I've recently admitted I've turned into a (mostly) Conservative.

You are making progress, and that is good.

Before too long, you may evolve further and become a Liberal.

Good luck and safe travels.
 
Given your user name, I can comment that IMO Libertarianism is a common college-aged 'guy thing'. It was foe me then, and I hang on to a few principles still - but have jettisoned the rest.

I suspect that what happens to most regardless of your “-ism” in college—you learn that life isn’t black-and-white, and the political principles of whatever -ism you follow become more like suggestions.

You are making progress, and that is good.

Before too long, you may evolve further and become a Liberal.

Reportedly (though probably falsely), according to Churchill the evolution goes the opposite direction. ;)
 
I suspect that what happens to most regardless of your “-ism” in college—you learn that life isn’t black-and-white, and the political principles of whatever -ism you follow become more like suggestions.



Reportedly (though probably falsely), according to Churchill the evolution goes the opposite direction. ;)

I never considered following structured ideologies. Rather, I've occasionally tried to find an I.D to describe my personal ideologies, though this is more of a curiosity and an attempt to find like-minded folks, or to make it more easy to communicate my personal ideologies.

My displayed political lean here (Social Democrat) is perhaps the closest to my public policies, but far from perfect. And it doesn't necessarily represent the principles of my personal life, which is more Conservative than my public policies.

Thanks for the reply, and hope you enjoy your time here. I'm always happy to entertain the thoughts of principled Conservatives.
 
Reportedly (though probably falsely), according to Churchill the evolution goes the opposite direction. ;)

I have heard that said many times.

"You're a liberal when you're young and more conservative as you get older.", variations on that theme.

For me, it has been the exact opposite of that. When I was young I bought into all the "conservative" capitalist talking points. I was a cruel person at that stage of life. My sense of empathy was slow to develop.
As I grow older, I become more liberal. And I mean LIBERAL liberal, not a Neo-liberal anarchist cop-hating punk, not like that. But also I have come to understand over time that the vast majority of us humans want very similar things, with lots of common ground. With social media and all I think the wing nuts have hijacked a lot of the attention, and then these folks are pushed in the media as to being representative of the majority which they are not.

Not going to drone on and on, the main bullet point here is that I personally am developing the exact opposite of what Churchill said. Mileage may vary. ;)
 
Not going to drone on and on, the main bullet point here is that I personally am developing the exact opposite of what Churchill said. Mileage may vary. ;)

You have to consider just who the Conservatives Churchill would have been talking about were. I would take it more to mean that the young tend to be more dogmatic, until life teaches them about shades of gray. Not that there aren't elders that completely fail to learn that lesson....
 
I mean, if we look at 98% of human history/existence especially before the agricultural revolution, societies have been pretty dang socialist.
And it sucked.
 
I have heard that said many times.

"You're a liberal when you're young and more conservative as you get older.", variations on that theme.

For me, it has been the exact opposite of that. When I was young I bought into all the "conservative" capitalist talking points. I was a cruel person at that stage of life. My sense of empathy was slow to develop.
As I grow older, I become more liberal. And I mean LIBERAL liberal, not a Neo-liberal anarchist cop-hating punk, not like that. But also I have come to understand over time that the vast majority of us humans want very similar things, with lots of common ground. With social media and all I think the wing nuts have hijacked a lot of the attention, and then these folks are pushed in the media as to being representative of the majority which they are not.

Not going to drone on and on, the main bullet point here is that I personally am developing the exact opposite of what Churchill said. Mileage may vary. ;)
I've stayed pretty much the same, but I like the way you stated that.
 
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