RECORD breaking GDP growth in Q3 - 33%

[MTAtech]

Yes due to the shutdown in Houston a Democratic Run city but that reality escapes you just like data from around the country, Governors and mayors control the economic activity in the state and cities thus people not working cannot benefit from the Trump economic policies. This is what you really wanted not the stop of the spread of the virus. poor economic results that you blame on Trump. What is the unemployment rate in California in September

The ignorance and misinformation Con spews. Without shutdowns, the economy won't be strong. Let's look at Iowa.
Iowa Never Locked Down. Its Economy Is Struggling Anyway

As President Obama said in a speech this week, Trump wants credit for everything good but doesn't want to take responsibility for the response to Covid-19. Trump blamed governors and now blames doctors, while he says that "we've turned the corner on Covid," just as we break new infection records. American Medical Association slams Trump's claim that doctors are making money from listing COVID-19 as cause of death, as cases continue to climb

How anyone cannot see the complete incompetence of Trump is beyond me. It's so obvious.

 

[GolfingChef]

So what you are saying is Trump should have become your parent and told you what to do during a pandemic?

What people are saying is that he should have told the American people the truth. He choose to lie to us and withhold vital information so that we could make informed decisions. We know this is the case because we have tapes of him saying so.

Why the idea of the president being honest with the American people is such a crazy idea for you I just do not understand.

 

[Conservative]

What people are saying is that he should have told the American people the truth. He choose to lie to us and withhold vital information so that we could make informed decisions. We know this is the case because we have tapes of him saying so.

Why the idea of the president being honest with the American people is such a crazy idea for you I just do not understand.

Based upon what the WHO and CDC said at the time, and as Hillary said when challenged, "what difference does it make" Please don't try to tell me that you would have believed Trump rhetoric then just like you haven't believe the rhetoric the last four years as you also ignored results.

The President being honest with the people? Not sure what you expect from the President but was Obama honest when he said that with ACA you could keep your plan and your doctor? I want to know exactly what Trump said that was a lie AT THE TIME? I also want to know why here we are 7 months later that this is still an issue today?

 

[GolfingChef]

Based upon what the WHO and CDC said at the time, and as Hillary said when challenged, "what difference does it make" Please don't try to tell me that you would have believed Trump rhetoric then just like you haven't believe the rhetoric the last four years as you also ignored results.

The CDC said what Trump told them to say. And yes, I believed the government when they told us it would be gone in a few weeks. I laughed at the incompetence of the VA as they started a construction project that was going to last 6 to 8 weeks specifically for COVID when we were told it would be gone soon. Turns out the VA had information they were not sharing with the rest of the country, just like Trump.

The President being honest with the people? Not sure what you expect from the President but was Obama honest when he said that with ACA you could keep your plan and your doctor?

Obama was a shit president, the fact your best defense of Trump is that he is just like Obama should tell you something, but you are just a mindless partisan sheep so you will not see the irony of you using Obama to defend Trump.

I also want to know why here we are 7 months later that this is still an issue today?

We are still talking about it because what you do at the start of a pandemic sets the stage for the rest of the run for the virus. We are talking about it because Trump worshiping sheep like you refuse to accept his own words that he kept information from the US public to avoid a panic.

 

[Greenbeard]

The CDC said what Trump told them to say. And yes, I believed the government when they told us it would be gone in a few weeks. I laughed at the incompetence of the VA as they started a construction project that was going to last 6 to 8 weeks specifically for COVID when we were told it would be gone soon. Turns out the VA had information they were not sharing with the rest of the country, just like Trump.

Well, there was one woman at the CDC speaking the truth back in February. She almost got fired and we never heard from her again.

CDC expects 'community spread' of coronavirus, as top official warns disruptions could be 'severe'

The CDC warned that it expects the novel coronavirus that has sparked outbreaks around the world to begin spreading at a community level in the United States.

www.statnews.com

Trump threatened to fire CDC’s chief of respiratory diseases in February: report

President Trump nearly fired a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention official after she said in February that the agency was preparing for a pandemic, according to The Wall Street Journal.

thehill.com

 

[Conservative]

Well, there was one woman at the CDC speaking the truth back in February. She almost got fired and we never heard from her again.

CDC expects 'community spread' of coronavirus, as top official warns disruptions could be 'severe'

The CDC warned that it expects the novel coronavirus that has sparked outbreaks around the world to begin spreading at a community level in the United States.

www.statnews.com

Trump threatened to fire CDC’s chief of respiratory diseases in February: report

President Trump nearly fired a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention official after she said in February that the agency was preparing for a pandemic, according to The Wall Street Journal.

thehill.com

What a bunch of bullshit, you buy this crap all the time, none of which is proven, just typical rhetoric from someone who has a lot to gain by implementing UHC. And exactly what does that have to do with the results TODAY?

 

[Greenbeard]

What a bunch of bullshit, you buy this crap all the time, none of which is proven, just typical rhetoric from someone who has a lot to gain by implementing UHC. And exactly what does that have to do with the results TODAY?

A new documentary shows how a top CDC official who warned Americans about the coronavirus promptly vanished from public view

The CDC's Nancy Messonnier was removed from the public stage in February after delivering a coronavirus warning that tanked stocks, a new film shows.

www.businessinsider.com

She made the mistake of getting in the way of Trump’s lies about the threat.

 

[GolfingChef]

And exactly what does that have to do with the results TODAY?

I refuse to believe you are actually this stupid. If you limit the spread at the beginning, it changes everything.

 

[Greenbeard]

I refuse to believe you are actually this stupid.

He’ll make a believer out of you yet.

 

[Conservative]

="GolfingChef, post: 1072901855, member: 36879"]
The CDC said what Trump told them to say. And yes, I believed the government when they told us it would be gone in a few weeks. I laughed at the incompetence of the VA as they started a construction project that was going to last 6 to 8 weeks specifically for COVID when we were told it would be gone soon. Turns out the VA had information they were not sharing with the rest of the country, just like Trump.

The CDC doesn't report to any President!! It wasn't gone in weeks but you do always focus on rhetoric totally ignoring state and local rhetoric and responsibilities, why?

Obama was a shit president, the fact your best defense of Trump is that he is just like Obama should tell you something, but you are just a mindless partisan sheep so you will not see the irony of you using Obama to defend Trump.

the Alternative is Biden or Trump not some made up third party candidate that has no chance of making change or implementing results. Third Party candidates are supported by whining malcontents who must live miserable lives always voting for change but never electing people at even lower levels to make that Change.

We are still talking about it because what you do at the start of a pandemic sets the stage for the rest of the run for the virus. We are talking about it because Trump worshiping sheep like you refuse to accept his own words that he kept information from the US public to avoid a panic.

I choose results not rhetoric, I choose individual rights and responsibilities not the nanny state. Trump worshipping sheep like me focuses on the alternative and not just rhetoric like you and will do whatever I can to keep Biden/Harris out of national office. Never in my life have I given a shit about words, only action and results and voted for results that I got pre pandemic and are now getting post pandemic. 56% of the people today claiming they are better off than 4 years ago speaks volumes and destroys your narrative

 

[Conservative]

He’ll make a believer out of you yet.

Right, here is stupid, you keep buying the leftwing liberal nanny state bs

While walking down the street one day a Corrupt Senator (that may be redundant) was tragically hit by a car and died.
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
"Welcome to heaven," says St.. Peter.. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.."


"No problem, just let me in," says the Senator.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really?, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the Senator.


"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.


The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course.
In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest wines and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes.

They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit heaven...”


So, 24 hours passed with the Senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell...

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls to the ground.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil smiles at him and says,
"Yesterday we were campaigning,

Today, you voted.."

 

[Conservative]

I refuse to believe you are actually this stupid. If you limit the spread at the beginning, it changes everything.

After 35 years in the private sector actually running a 200 million dollar a year business with over 1200 employees, can tell you that logic and common sense doesn't exist in the liberal rhetoric or yours

 

[GolfingChef]

The CDC doesn't report to any President!!

You clearly have not been paying attention.

It wasn't gone in weeks but you do always focus on rhetoric totally ignoring state and local rhetoric and responsibilities, why?

The state and local folks did not have the same information that Trump did...because Trump choose to keep it to himself.

the Alternative is Biden or Trump not some made up third party candidate that has no chance of making change or implementing results.

There is little difference in the overall policies of Trump or Biden. Both want to spend crap tons of money and leave the bill for our children and grandchildren. The only difference might be what they want to spend it on.

Third Party candidates are supported by whining malcontents who must live miserable lives always voting for change but never electing people at even lower levels to make that Change.

I live a happy and fulfilled life. Unlike you I do not need the president to make that happen, it is all self done.

I choose results not rhetoric,

And here is the result you choose...

 

[GolfingChef]

After 35 years in the private sector actually running a 200 million dollar a year business with over 1200 employees, can tell you that logic and common sense doesn't exist in the liberal rhetoric or yours

It is simply amazing how many people on internet forums make such claims. Nobody believes some mindless sheep did such a thing. There is not one thing you have posted that would suggest you have an IQ over 50.

 

[Ziggy]

So what you are saying is Trump should have become your parent and told you what to do during a pandemic? You are totally clueless as to what Trump has implemented and executed pre pandemic and even during the pandemic providing all the resources necessary and requested by the states. That is the role of the President not implementing social distancing, quarantines, or scaring the hell out of people. Here we are 7 months into the pandemic and still you are focused on the January/February issue that really is a non issue or a distorted one by radicals who haven't liked Trump since 2016. You never supported Trump in 2016 and it wouldn't have mattered what he said in January during Impeachment as you wouldn't have believed it in the first place. I don't buy BS thus didn't vote for Biden/Harris but rather voted for Trump and the results that are verifiable, both pre pandemic and now even during the pandemic were 56% of the people today claim they are better off than 4 years ago. You have posted nothing to support your position and a reminder context matters, context like the 10th Amendment, READ IT

How's his response been since his so called February perfect preparation? He's ignoring everything about the virus and dangerously holding rallies like it's all a joke. Even a Trumpturd MAGArat can see that but they won't admit it. Thanks to all you Trump supporters who don't wear a mask and social distance. You are literally spreading germs. Biden 2020

 

[apdst]

Did you blame Trump for the 31.7% drop in the 2nd Qtr?

Of course they did...lol.

 

[Conservative]

How's his response been since his so called February perfect preparation? He's ignoring everything about the virus and dangerously holding rallies like it's all a joke. Even a Trumpturd MAGArat can see that but they won't admit it. Thanks to all you Trump supporters who don't wear a mask and social distance. You are literally spreading germs. Biden 2020

So you claim what did your governor do and was he waiting for someone else to tell him what to do. Can you post anything other than anti Trump rhetoric and a valid reason to vote for Biden? What was Biden's comments on the travel ban/restrictions? So you believe all those rioters in liberal cities were trump fans? Look, if you wear a mask, social distance why does it bother you so much what someone else does. Biden 2020 because he isn't Trump as results for the past 47 years, his incompetence, lack of patriotism and choice of a radical like Harris doesn't matter

 

[ElChupacabra]

The ignorance and misinformation Con spews. Without shutdowns, the economy won't be strong. Let's look at Iowa.
Iowa Never Locked Down. Its Economy Is Struggling Anyway

As President Obama said in a speech this week, Trump wants credit for everything good but doesn't want to take responsibility for the response to Covid-19. Trump blamed governors and now blames doctors, while he says that "we've turned the corner on Covid," just as we break new infection records. American Medical Association slams Trump's claim that doctors are making money from listing COVID-19 as cause of death, as cases continue to climb

How anyone cannot see the complete incompetence of Trump is beyond me. It's so obvious.

The breathtaking part is Trump whinging about COVID 19 reporting in the media despite the fact the pandemic continues to cause deaths in the ~1k range. The case/mortality rate has gone down a bit, but we're far from "rounding the corner" even in the most optimistic of views. What's clear is Trump is a salesman, and we know that there's always someone who will fall for a sales pitch catered to them.

 

[Conservative]

The breathtaking part is Trump whinging about COVID 19 reporting in the media despite the fact the pandemic continues to cause deaths in the ~1k range. The case/mortality rate has gone down a bit, but we're far from "rounding the corner" even in the most optimistic of views. What's clear is Trump is a salesman, and we know that there's always someone who will fall for a sales pitch catered to them.

By all means keep ignoring results buying rhetoric and focus on infections not recoveries or the harm the shutdown is doing to Americans

10/30/2020	Cases	Deaths
United States	9,134,381	233187		2.6%
New York	510171	33143		6.5%
New Jersey	238316	16339		6.9%
California	931905	17628		1.9%
Texas	946504	18477		2.0%
Florida	802547	16927		2.1%

 

[Ziggy]

So you claim what did your governor do and was he waiting for someone else to tell him what to do. Can you post anything other than anti Trump rhetoric and a valid reason to vote for Biden? What was Biden's comments on the travel ban/restrictions? So you believe all those rioters in liberal cities were trump fans? Look, if you wear a mask, social distance why does it bother you so much what someone else does. Biden 2020 because he isn't Trump as results for the past 47 years, his incompetence, lack of patriotism and choice of a radical like Harris doesn't matter

I like moral, decent, empathetic characteristics for a president. As far as policies go, I'm not worried about the democratic party making decent decisions. There are plenty of people around BIDEN to make sure he doesn't mess things up as much as Trump has. Our opinions only matter at the polls, good luck. I'm sure we won't know who's president for months if Trump loses. Supreme Court here we come.

 

[Conservative]

I like moral, decent, empathetic characteristics for a president. As far as policies go, I'm not worried about the democratic party making decent decisions. There are plenty of people around BIDEN to make sure he doesn't mess things up as much as Trump has. Our opinions only matter at the polls, good luck. I'm sure we won't know who's president for months if Trump loses. Supreme Court here we come.

then why do you like the party of abortion and anti American rhetoric and results. You keep saying Trump messed things up, where are the results and data to support that? Have you ever taken a civics class to know the role of the state and local governments? Supreme Court? What decisions do you want the Supreme Court to uphold or are you looking for an activist judge?

 

[ElChupacabra]

By all means keep ignoring results buying rhetoric and focus on infections not recoveries or the harm the shutdown is doing to Americans

10/30/2020	Cases	Deaths
United States	9,134,381	233187		2.6%
New York	510171	33143		6.5%
New Jersey	238316	16339		6.9%
California	931905	17628		1.9%
Texas	946504	18477		2.0%
Florida	802547	16927		2.1%

Ah, we're back to COVID 19. Yes, infections are the focus because infections drive up hospitalizations and deaths; the latter being a lagging indicator. The good news is we haven't seen a drastic rise in mortalities, but since there's a two week or so gap to when we start seeing that impact, it's a bit early to make a claim either way. The graphs below add much needed context to the numbers you just posted as to what is actually going on, since the data you provided is only cumulative. So the question for you is: do you think ~1k deaths a day is acceptable from a disease mitigation perspective?

Cases throughout the country have been rising, but what's notable here from a containment perspective, is the northeast fared much better at containment than other regions. The spread reduction also helps open businesses up more through the easing of restrictions. This has proven out throughout most of the world; including nations which did not impose mandated shutdowns. To keep it relevant to the topic, the economy and the disease mitigation are connected simply because whether the government places restrictions or not, economies are impacted during pandemics. Businesses which rely on tourism will suffer, and corporations will apply their own measures. The "ignore it and it goes away" is absolutely delusional.

 

[Conservative]

Ah, we're back to COVID 19. Yes, infections are the focus because infections drive up hospitalizations and deaths; the latter being a lagging indicator. The good news is we haven't seen a drastic rise in mortalities, but since there's a two week or so gap to when we start seeing that impact, it's a bit early to make a claim either way. The graphs below add much needed context to the numbers you just posted as to what is actually going on, since the data you provided is only cumulative.

Cases throughout the country have been rising, but what's notable here from a containment perspective, is the northeast fared much better at containment than other regions. The spread reduction also helps open businesses up more through the easing of restrictions. This has proven out throughout most of the world; including nations which did not impose mandated shutdowns.

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So here we are 7 months into the pandemic and still blaming Trump for the results today of growing infections?? Your problem continues to be typical liberalism, gloom, doom and lack of reality that our immune systems work as does our medical industry. I posted the results and still no answer, if you do what you are supposed to do, wear a mask, practice social distancing why does it matter what someone else does? Gloom, doom, politics of personal destruction are what the left promotes, can you point to a passionate, enthusiastic rally held by Biden/Harris?

 

[Ziggy]

then why do you like the party of abortion and anti American rhetoric and results. You keep saying Trump messed things up, where are the results and data to support that? Have you ever taken a civics class to know the role of the state and local governments? Supreme Court? What decisions do you want the Supreme Court to uphold or are you looking for an activist judge?

I'm strictly talking about the election, which Trump is trying his best to have less voting. You think it's a good thing for a president to be messing with an Americans right to vote. If he didn't think he was going to lose, he would've never been messing with ballots and lawsuits. The only president so far to try to rig an process that has been legit and legal since America has been voting. I can't believe you Trump supporters can't admit what he's trying to do. Look at the polls so far and that should tell you what people think about Trump and his shady tactics.

 

[GolfingChef]

So here we are 7 months into the pandemic and still blaming Trump for the results today of growing infections??

Can you truly not understand how limiting the number of infections at the start of a pandemic would limit the damage later on? And doing nothing to limit the number of infections at the start of a pandemic will cause even more damage later on?