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Among other things gun registration will not happen. And I will explain why.
Take a scenario you have a person with a gun and the government says register it and he registers. Should it get stolen he has the duty to report it to the police in a timely fashion lest he be suspected for any crime it should be involved in. So why would he register it? It's a lose-lose situation for him.
This sort of ties into universal background checks as well. The idea as I understand it, is to perform a background check on a person to person sale. if person A wants to sell his gun to person B all he does is trade the gun for money and he can do that anyway there's no way the government would know about it. Requiring person A to do a background check for most certainly a fee, wait for info to come back from the government which takes weeks sometimes months, to sell the gun to person B. If by some magical feet there is a registration that is functional, person A would just sell it to a person B and report it stolen to save himself the trouble the cost and the time.
These are practical reasons why these things aren't common sense.
Your thoughts?
How so? If I choose to register my firearm then I'll be beholden to the government as far as the chain of custody. If I don't I'm not. Nobody is going to register their guns even if it is mandatory.Your notion concerning registering firearms as a lose - lose situation is unsubstantiated paranoia.
So there is no point to a fire arms registration?Arguing that registration is bad because if your firearm is stolen, and you fail to report it “in a timely fashion”, you could be charged with any crime it may used in is ridiculous on it's face. Police don’t arrest and charge people based solely on who owns the firearm. Plain stupid.
what if you purchase a gun from someone who isn't an FFL dealer?Also, your understanding of how background checks are conducted is utterly wrong. It does not take “weeks sometimes months”. Nowhere near that.
“If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL must mark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line 21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the date provided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfully transferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed or denied is not received from the NICS.”
If there is something from that link you want me to read copy in paste it. If not don't bother linking. I'm not going to "read a link." I am a busy man and I don't have time for that noise.Lots more info here About NICS — FBI to educate yourself. Please take advantage of it.
Whenever I mentioned that I'm dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. I've already played that game, got the tee shirt and coffee mug. No thanks.actually surprised you didn't mention possible government tyranny involved in having a list of gun owners
So no ability to argue against my points?that probably would've made more sense that the **** you did mention lmao
So you think the current background check is sufficient?also, just to put in into perspective - my last gun purchase, the background check took 5-10 minutes.
Already explained in the first paragraph of my post.How so?
Your argument against firearms registration certainly doesn’t make a valid point.So there is no point to a fire arms registration?
Currently? Depending on state laws, it’s perfectly legal without a background check.what if you purchase a gun from someone who isn't an FFL dealer?
If you have time to post an error ridden thread you have time read and learn first.If there is something from that link you want me to read copy in paste it. If not don't bother linking. I'm not going to "read a link." I am a busy man and I don't have time for that noise.
Your notion concerning registering firearms as a lose - lose situation is unsubstantiated paranoia. Arguing that registration is bad because if your firearm is stolen, and you fail to report it “in a timely fashion”, you could be charged with any crime it may used in is ridiculous on it's face. Police don’t arrest and charge people based solely on who owns the firearm. Plain stupid.
Also, your understanding of how background checks are conducted is utterly wrong. It does not take “weeks sometimes months”. Nowhere near that.
“If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL must mark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line 21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the date provided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfully transferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed or denied is not received from the NICS.”
Lots more info here About NICS — FBI to educate yourself. Please take advantage of it.
It does not take “weeks sometimes months”. Nowhere near that.
“If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days ....
Among other things gun registration will not happen. And I will explain why.
Take a scenario you have a person with a gun and the government says register it and he registers. Should it get stolen he has the duty to report it to the police in a timely fashion lest he be suspected for any crime it should be involved in. So why would he register it? It's a lose-lose situation for him.
This sort of ties into universal background checks as well. The idea as I understand it, is to perform a background check on a person to person sale. if person A wants to sell his gun to person B all he does is trade the gun for money and he can do that anyway there's no way the government would know about it. Requiring person A to do a background check for most certainly a fee, wait for info to come back from the government which takes weeks sometimes months, to sell the gun to person B. If by some magical feet there is a registration that is functional, person A would just sell it to a person B and report it stolen to save himself the trouble the cost and the time.
These are practical reasons why these things aren't common sense.
Your thoughts?
Racial intermarriage was never going to happen.Among other things gun registration will not happen. And I will explain why.
1) Registration at point of sale. Donezo.Take a scenario you have a person with a gun and the government says register it and he registers. Should it get stolen he has the duty to report it to the police in a timely fashion lest he be suspected for any crime it should be involved in. So why would he register it?
1) "feat" not "feet"Requiring person A to do a background check for most certainly a fee, wait for info to come back from the government which takes weeks sometimes months, to sell the gun to person B. If by some magical feet there is a registration that is functional, person A would just sell it to a person B and report it stolen to save himself the trouble the cost and the time.
News flash! A law is not unconstitutional just because you dislike it.But as far as I know it hasnt been challenged in the higher federal courts. It needs to be...and registration needs to be thrown out as unConstitutional.
News flash! A law is not unconstitutional just because you dislike it.
Municipal, state and federal governments undoubtedly have the right to regulate firearms. Even Scalia recognized that in Heller. What those governments can't do is develop regulations that are so restrictive that it prevents legitimate ownership of specific classes of firearms.
And no, registration doesn't block ownership. If it did, none of us would own cars or homes or businesses.
Of course, Dems are trying to change that too.
Im fine with a voluntary registration program to see if it reduces gun violence in any meaningful or measurable way.
Not to a satisfactory degree. If that's all you got thanks for playing.Already explained in the first paragraph of my post.
I think you're just saying that because you can't argue against it.Your argument against firearms registration certainly doesn’t make a valid point.
legal or illegal you're on the honor system. I can simply sell a gun without doing a background check give my finger to the federal government or state government and what are they going to do?Currently? Depending on state laws, it’s perfectly legal without a background check.
read and learn what what errors did I make? I'm contending that I didn't that you're just saying that because you can't argue my points.If you have time to post an error ridden thread you have time read and learn first.
why would it? anyone honest and willing enough to do it without being forced probably isn't someone you need to worry about anyway.
News flash! A law is not unconstitutional just because you dislike it.
Municipal, state and federal governments undoubtedly have the right to regulate firearms. Even Scalia recognized that in Heller. What those governments can't do is develop regulations that are so restrictive that it prevents legitimate ownership of specific classes of firearms.
And no, registration doesn't block ownership. If it did, none of us would own cars or homes or businesses.
exactly it would be in your best interest not to. It is only in the government's interest for you to do it. so it wouldn't be out of Civil disobedience alone it would be out of convenience.If I were told to register my firearms i, along with almost everyone I know would not comply.
I actually got one back that was stolen from me. There was stolen from me in August 2015 I reported it to the police and the gun was recovered the FFL that sold it to me sent me a message that it was recovered in Louisiana and I was going that way anyway at that time so I made a little Gator and picked it up.That said if one were stolen I would report it and provide serial numbers and pictures, I want those found with it caught and I might get lucky and get it back, doubtful.
Im fine with a voluntary registration program to see if it reduces gun violence in any meaningful or measurable way.
why would it? anyone honest and willing enough to do it without being forced probably isn't someone you need to worry about anyway.
a gun registration is not going to happen. just because a few things happened to expand the rights of individuals doesn't mean something will to take them away.Racial intermarriage was never going to happen.
The passage of civil rights legislation was never going to happen.
Same-sex marriage was never going to happen.
Legalizing marijuana was never going to happen.
A Democrat winning a state-wide race in Alabama was never going to happen.
What were you saying again?
there still are hundreds of millions of guns already owned by the populist and I will not register mine and nobody else is going to either.1) Registration at point of sale. Donezo.
how are you going to know who has them?2) If he or she ever uses the unregistered gun, they're in legal trouble. Heck, we could even make temporary loss of access to firearms as part of the punishment for failure to register.
Lol, really?3) If you register your car, and you get into an accident, you could be held accountable for the accident. So why would anyone register their car?!?
but if I'm not an FFL why should I do it?1) "feat" not "feet"
2) NICS is already functional. It's not going to take "weeks sometimes months." It will take minutes.
3) If you sell a gun in a private sale, and that gun is used by that buyer in a murder, and it turns out they were not supposed to possess any firearms, are you just going to shrug it off?
registration of firearms has NO benefits to legal gun owners.
Yes I would love to see the court say that they can't do this.Except that Hawaii and MA already do have gun registration. Hawaii does for sure, I believe MA does.
But as far as I know it hasnt been challenged in the higher federal courts. It needs to be...and registration needs to be thrown out as unConstitutional.
There's a thread on here somewhere about a current challenge to HI's law by a legal non-citizen. I hope it goes somewhere towards ending registration in HI.
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