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Real life obama care story

sawyerloggingon said:
That is in the cards the way I hear it.
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That is correct and what's a worthwhile physician going to do? Well he sure enough ain't gonna be practicing medicine anymore you can bet your ass on that!
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Now ask yourself why IBM projects rates to triple since Obama care was passed.
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No they aren't corporations are going to drop coverages, it has already begun. Single payer is closer than anyone can imagine.
 
imagep said:
Of course. And insurance never went up before Obamacare.
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True once Osamacare fully implements its all gonna be free Free FREE ! :roll:

but then 'you get what you pay for'
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama care was passed on the premise that it would stop the rising cost of health care but it has only exacerbated the problem. It is my understanding that one reason IBM and other comps are getting rid of their insurance plans is because part of the 3000 page Obama care bill taxes them for these so called Cadillac plans and that is why they have been forced to change or even dump them altogether. You say health insurance premiums have risen 131% in the last 10 years but IBM says they are forecasting a gain twice that big in the next ten years so it seems Obama care took a bad situation and made it worse.
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As the retirees of IBM continue to age, I would assume that it would be quite normal that the cost of insuring them would increase. Just 50 years ago, IBM didn't have any retirees who depending on IBM for insurance. The world is a changing place, and with or without Obamacare it's going to continue to change.
 
imagep said:
As the retirees of IBM continue to age, I would assume that it would be quite normal that the cost of insuring them would increase. Just 50 years ago, IBM didn't have any retirees who depending on IBM for insurance. The world is a changing place, and with or without Obamacare it's going to continue to change.
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Obama care changed my mom and dads world for the worse.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
That is correct and what's a worthwhile physician going to do? Well he sure enough ain't gonna be practicing medicine anymore you can bet your ass on that!
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Ya, I am quite sure that they are all going to go to work as minimum wage workers for McDonalds. That would be much preferable to having to reduce their income all the way down to $120k/yr.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama care changed my mom and dads world for the worse.
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No where in the article about IBM did it reference Obamacare or blame changing insurance providers on Obamacare.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
True once Osamacare fully implements its all gonna be free Free FREE ! :roll:

but then 'you get what you pay for'
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Did your parents have a contract with IBM in writing that said that IBM couldn't switch plans or providers?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
That's the thing, nobody really knows what is going on here until it happens to you, then you have no choice but to muddle through and jump through hoops.
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Wasn't it like that even before Obamacare?

Sorry, I'm just not getting the connection between a private company changing insurance companies for their retirees, and Obamacare.
 
imagep said:
Did your parents have a contract with IBM in writing that said that IBM couldn't switch plans or providers?
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They had IBM retirement that included health care and now IBM has pushed them off their plan and on to Medicare because of Obama care and its related increase in cost of insuring their retirees.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Apparently the docs my parents now have don't take Medicare patients without an annual fee tacked on which they can't afford.
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Some years ago (maybe 2006 or 7) I had a Doctor that was out of state so I was a cash patient (I was still young and beautiful in those days). One day he announced that he would become a "private club" I think what is now called a PFFS. For some amount (can't remember), I was guaranteed faster service. I chose to get another doctor instead.

It sounds like you parents MD is doing something similar. That is his choice, not the direction of Medicare. I don't blame the Doctors because Medicare pays very little. My back surgeon (a really good one) sent me a notice last year that he no longer would take any flavor of Medicare. So, I can't hold Medicare responsible for this - they pay ****ty rates because they're trying to save money. The link to Obamacare may be there but really it's 2 different situations. There are still many Doctors that take Medicare Original ands Medicare PPO/HMO/HMO.

I don't have a cat in this race. I'm also critical of Obamacare to the degree that I (or anyone else) even begins to understand thousands of pages of USG-doublespeak. I'm not making a political statement, just trying to be helpful. Doctor shopping is NO fun but that's the solution in this case.
 
specklebang said:
Some years ago (maybe 2006 or 7) I had a Doctor that was out of state so I was a cash patient (I was still young and beautiful in those days). One day he announced that he would become a "private club" I think what is now called a PFFS. For some amount (can't remember), I was guaranteed faster service. I chose to get another doctor instead.

It sounds like you parents MD is doing something similar. That is his choice, not the direction of Medicare. I don't blame the Doctors because Medicare pays very little. My back surgeon (a really good one) sent me a notice last year that he no longer would take any flavor of Medicare. So, I can't hold Medicare responsible for this - they pay ****ty rates because they're trying to save money. The link to Obamacare may be there but really it's 2 different situations. There are still many Doctors that take Medicare Original ands Medicare PPO/HMO/HMO.

I don't have a cat in this race. I'm also critical of Obamacare to the degree that I (or anyone else) even begins to understand thousands of pages of USG-doublespeak. I'm not making a political statement, just trying to be helpful. Doctor shopping is NO fun but that's the solution in this case.
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The point is my parents prior insurance was accepted by these docs but Obama care has made that change so they are not able to keep their insurance they liked or their docs they liked as Obama promised.
 
You oddballs can defend this trainwreck all you want, no one cares.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
No Socialism is not better

Will America be able to continue to go trillions and trillions further into debt? No

Will the 125 trillion unfunded liabilities (not including the unfunded liabilities of ObamaCare) be paid for? NO

The only question is: what will be the outcome?
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100% agreed!! Socialism is far worst...But something worst than socialism is Reaganisim!

This horrifying debt we are under is not because of socialism or Democrats or even Obama care....is Purely due to Reagan, BushI and Bush2, and Republicans in congress

Under Reagan and Bush: $3.4 Trillion increase in the debt.
Under George W. Bush: $6.1 Trillion.
Total: $9.5 Trillion. (without counting interest)


Total Republican debt from above: $9.5 trillion
Interest on Reagan-Bush debt under Clinton: $2.2 trillion
Interest on $11.7 trillion after G. W. Bush: $0.3 trillion
Grand Total Reagan-Bushes Debt: $12 trillion (as of Sept. 30, 2010).

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Tax Cuts Decrease Federal Revenue by $1.7 trillion
Making the 2001, 2002, and 2003 tax cuts permanent would reduce revenues by $1.7 trillion through 2014. If we include the added interest payment to national debt, this figure rises to $2.0 trillion.
Making Tax Cuts Permanent would cost $2.5 trillion from 2005-2014
Making tax cuts permanent would cost $2.5 trillion from 2005-2014 and more than twice that amount from 2015-2024.

So as you say going trillions of dollars into debt which we are surely headed for is bad! Solution... undo the Reagan 3.4 Trillion tax cuts and Bushes 1.3 Trillion and actually next year will have a balance budget and can pay off the debt in short amount of time.

So as you socialism is bad, but it was Reganisim who got into this mess

Diving Mullah
 
oh that's SO cute, it's not all Bush's fault now it's Reagan

I'm going to blame FDR and the 16th amendment!
my blame laying beats yours times two weehoo

Buddy when it all goes poof all the blaming in world isn't going to matter to the military tribunals

Any idea what the modern day version of the guillotine will look like?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Wait till you see Docs refusing Obamacare patients? Or is that illegal? ;)
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You seem to be very confused about what ObamaCare actually is...Obamacare is nothing but a group of Privately held insurance companies that have to abide by certain rules in order to be in the exchange program. The rules are things like cap the annual premiums. rate, can't be dropped due high medical cost as long you pay your premiums on time, your children upto age 25 are covered and cannot be denied due to pre-existing conditions. Now if these companies like these rule they can be in the exchange or not they can go their separate ways but won't get the pool of new customers.

Ignorance breads fear... if people actually take time to know, learn and understand they will see the world is not as scary as they make it out to be.


As for your other comment...well not exactly comment more like trite..

The saying goes.... In god we trust...rest of you bring Data and proof!!

Diving Mullah
 
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