Reagan V Obama

[calamity]

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Obama cuts the deficit nearly in half while cutting taxes.
Federal Budget Deficit Is GOP

You'd never have guessed this if you listen to the Conservatives.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Obama cuts the deficit nearly in half while cutting taxes.
Federal Budget Deficit Is GOP

You'd never have guessed this if you listen to the Conservatives.

:roll: Just wait until ObamaCare kicks in....

 

[Ray410]

At least we can all agree that the worst mistake Reagan made was to grant amnesty and open the door to the foreign, primarily Mexican, invasion that destroyed California, the former Golden State.

Even Reagan himself later publicly regretted that horribly destructive decision.

 

[Somerville]

First a bit of history

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Obama cuts the deficit nearly in half while cutting taxes.
Federal Budget Deficit Is GOP

You'd never have guessed this if you listen to the Conservatives.

and then the expected denial of reality

:roll: Just wait until ObamaCare kicks in....

 

[Thom Paine]

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

A point you may wish to consider!

Reagan didn't raise taxes; it is not a presidential power. The democratic party controlled the House.. from whence all taxes come. Even if he wanted more taxes the democratic party could have said NO.

Have a safe day, Calamity

Thom Paine

 

[davidtaylorjr]

First a bit of history


and then the expected denial of reality

What reality did I deny? Please tell me. In fact, I don't see that I denied anything in my post.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

A point you may wish to consider!

Reagan didn't raise taxes; it is not a presidential power. The democratic party controlled the House.. from whence all taxes come. Even if he wanted more taxes the democratic party could have said NO.

Have a safe day, Calamity

Thom Paine

:caution: :alert you are speaking truth.

 

[APACHERAT]

At least we can all agree that the worst mistake Reagan made was to grant amnesty and open the door to the foreign, primarily Mexican, invasion that destroyed California, the former Golden State.

Even Reagan himself later publicly regretted that horribly destructive decision.

>" According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the 1986 amnesty for what turned out to be more than half the five million illegal immigrants in the country..."<

Ronald Reagan

I wonder if Obama being a narcissist will have the cajones to admit what his biggest mistake was ?

 

[APACHERAT]

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Obama cuts the deficit nearly in half while cutting taxes.
Federal Budget Deficit Is GOP

You'd never have guessed this if you listen to the Conservatives.

I love this claim.

>" 10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. "<

Who remembers Rep. Charlie Wilson ( D ) ?

The same Charlie Wilson as in the book and movie titled "Charlie Wilson's War."

Charlie Wilson's War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Redress]

I love this claim.

>" 10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. "<

Who remembers Rep. Charlie Wilson ( D ) ?

The same Charlie Wilson as in the book and movie titled "Charlie Wilson's War."

Charlie Wilson's War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Should read a bit more, and not get all your info from Hollywood movies.

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

President Reagan greatly expanded the program as part of the Reagan Doctrine of aiding anti-Soviet resistance movements abroad. To execute this policy, Reagan deployed CIA Special Activities Division paramilitary officers to equip the Mujihadeen forces against the Red Army. Although the CIA and Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson have received the most attention for their roles, the key architect of the strategy was Michael G. Vickers, a young CIA paramilitary officer working for Gust Avrakotos, the CIA's regional head who had a close relationship with Wilson. Vicker's strategy was to use a broad mix of weapons, tactics, logistics, along with training programs, to enhance the rebels' ability to fight a guerilla war against the Soviets.[SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] Reagan's program assisted in ending the Soviet's occupation in Afghanistan.[SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP]

 

[Redress]

A point you may wish to consider!

Reagan didn't raise taxes; it is not a presidential power. The democratic party controlled the House.. from whence all taxes come. Even if he wanted more taxes the democratic party could have said NO.

Have a safe day, Calamity

Thom Paine

So you are saying Reagan did not sign them into law? Want to bet on that?

 

[Fiddytree]

Reagan tripled the deficit and raised taxes 11 times.
10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Obama cuts the deficit nearly in half while cutting taxes.
Federal Budget Deficit Is GOP

You'd never have guessed this if you listen to the Conservatives.

Some of those things I have qualms with. I agree his administration was much more "moderate" or incomplete than many of his supporters want to believe, but you know the whole "Reagan was a peacenik" thing made me wince, because his orientation toward nuclear weapons was vastly different from the nuclear freeze movement (as well as other liberal views toward nuclear arms negotiations).

 

[Redress]

Some of those things I have qualms with. I agree his administration was much more "moderate" or incomplete than many of his supporters want to believe, but you know the whole "Reagan was a peacenik" thing made me wince, because his orientation toward nuclear weapons was vastly different from the nuclear freeze movement (as well as other liberal views toward nuclear arms negotiations).

I do not think a Moderate is the right term for Reagan. At the time he was president, he was, by the standards of the day, very conservative. By today's standard he is a socialist.

 

[APACHERAT]

Should read a bit more, and not get all your info from Hollywood movies.

Sorry all mighty Redress :2bow:

I forgot to include the Wikipedia disclaimer. We all make mistakes.


:attn1: WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY

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Wikipedia:General disclaimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Fiddytree]

I do not think a Moderate is the right term for Reagan. At the time he was president, he was, by the standards of the day, very conservative. By today's standard he is a socialist.

I meant that they moderated their public rhetoric with policy and budget proposals that fell below bellicose standards of the time.

 

[Redress]

Sorry all mighty Redress :2bow:

I forgot to include the Wikipedia disclaimer. We all make mistakes.


:attn1: WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY

Wikipedia is an online open-content collaborative encyclopedia; that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups working to develop a common resource of human knowledge. The structure of the project allows anyone with an Internet connection to alter its content. Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by people with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.

Wikipedia:General disclaimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol, I counter your wiki article with a wiki article, and now all of a sudden wiki is unreliable, as are the clearly marked sources.

 

[APACHERAT]

Lol, I counter your wiki article with a wiki article, and now all of a sudden wiki is unreliable, as are the clearly marked sources.

Unlike you, I rarely use Wikipedia as a source.

Lets go a little deeper who Charlie Wilson was and how the Reagan administration was able to get the coked out Democrats in Congress to go along to continue the Cold War even though the "New Left" in the Democrat Party had already surrounded.

Here's a liberal source. Do I need to include a disclaimer ?
Afghanistan: Charlie Wilson And America’s 30-Year War | Global Research

I better play it safe.

:attn1:
Disclaimer: The contents of this article are of sole responsibility of the author(s). The Centre for Research on Globalization will not be responsible for any inaccurate or incorrect statement in this article.

 

[Somerville]

I've posted this link in another thread some months past

The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan
please note the origin and date of this little opinion piece

In 1980, Jimmy Caner's last year as president, the federal government spent a whopping 27.9% of "national income" (an obnoxious term for the private wealth produced by the American people). Reagan assaulted the free-spending Carter administration throughout his campaign in 1980. So how did the Reagan administration do? At the end of the first quarter of 1988, federal spending accounted for 28.7% of "national income."

Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan's 3%—in the government's take of "national income." And in nominal terms, there has been a 60% increase in government spending, thanks mainly to Reagan's requested budgets
<snip>
Foreign aid has also risen, from $10 billion to $22 billion. Every year, Reagan asked for more foreign-aid money than the Congress was willing to spend. He also pushed through Congress an $8.4 billion increase in the U.S. "contribution" to the International Monetary Fund.

That would be the Democrat dominated Congress that some like to blame for Reagan's deficits.

Reagan came into office proposing to cut personal income and business taxes. The Economic Recovery Act was supposed to reduce revenues by $749 billion over five years. But this was quickly reversed with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. TEFRA—the largest tax increase in American history

For all the administration's talk about deregulation (for example, from the know-nothing commission which George Bush headed), it has done little. Much of what has been done began under Carter, such as abolition of the Civil Aeronautics Board and deregulation of oil prices. Carter created the momentum and Reagan halted it. In fact, the economic costs of regulation have grown under Reagan.

Hard to believe the Mises Institute is saying nice things about President Carter but by comparison, Mr Carter was more in line with the Austrian School than St Ronnie

This is the Reagan legacy. He was to be the man who would turn things around. But he didn't even try.

 

[Redress]

Unlike you, I rarely use Wikipedia as a source.

Lets go a little deeper who Charlie Wilson was and how the Reagan administration was able to get the coked out Democrats in Congress to go along to continue the Cold War even though the "New Left" in the Democrat Party had already surrounded.

Here's a liberal source. Do I need to include a disclaimer ?
Afghanistan: Charlie Wilson And America’s 30-Year War | Global Research

I better play it safe.

:attn1:
Disclaimer: The contents of this article are of sole responsibility of the author(s). The Centre for Research on Globalization will not be responsible for any inaccurate or incorrect statement in this article.

You probably should read your source since it agrees Reagan was involved in Afghanistan and had a major role. Nice try though.

 

[shagg]

reagan vs obama

Reagan gave us the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (reagan awarded -1 points)

Obama is trying to deal with the repercussions, amidst strong resistance, poorly (obama awarded 1 point for trying amid strong resistance, and -1 for doing it poorly)

Its a nail biter, but it looks like obama is in the lead......

 

[APACHERAT]

You probably should read your source since it agrees Reagan was involved in Afghanistan and had a major role. Nice try though.

Did I ever say Reagan wasn't ?

What we have are liberals who deny they were involved in arming the mujahideen when many were 100 % behind Reagan.

Not all liberals during the Cold War surrendered when the fringe of the radical left came under the Democrat tent. Many liberals like Charlie Wilson and most JFK liberals refused to surrender and continued the fight against communist expansion in the world.



When you find my quote copy and past it with a link. Otherwise stop saying things I never said.

 

[Redress]

Did I ever say Reagan wasn't ?

What we have are liberals who deny they were involved in arming the mujahideen when many were 100 % behind Reagan.

Not all liberals during the Cold War surrendered when the fringe of the radical left came under the Democrat tent. Many liberals like Charlie Wilson and most JFK liberals refused to surrender and continued the fight against communist expansion in the world.



When you find my quote copy and past it with a link. Otherwise stop saying things I never said.

You tried to dismiss Reagan's responsibility. I find it amusing how some of you conservatives blame every broken nail on Obama, but Reagan was never, ever at fault.

 

[APACHERAT]

You tried to dismiss Reagan's responsibility. I find it amusing how some of you conservatives blame every broken nail on Obama, but Reagan was never, ever at fault.

Do you really think I would allow the liberals to take all the credit for seeing that the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan ?

The Soviets war in Afghanistan who many refer to the Soviet Union's Vietnam War was just one battle fought during the Cold War just like the Vietnam War.

 

[Redress]

Do you really think I would allow the liberals to take all the credit for seeing that the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan ?

The Soviets war in Afghanistan who many refer to the Soviet Union's Vietnam War was just one battle fought during the Cold War just like the Vietnam War.

Which is irrelevant to the initial claim. You are now down to diverting. Let me help you. This was your initial claim:

I love this claim.

>" 10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. "<

Who remembers Rep. Charlie Wilson ( D ) ?

The same Charlie Wilson as in the book and movie titled "Charlie Wilson's War."

Charlie Wilson's War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You made the attempt to move blame(not credit) from Reagan. I pointed out that Reagan was in fact a major player.

 

[calamity]

Some of those things I have qualms with. I agree his administration was much more "moderate" or incomplete than many of his supporters want to believe, but you know the whole "Reagan was a peacenik" thing made me wince, because his orientation toward nuclear weapons was vastly different from the nuclear freeze movement (as well as other liberal views toward nuclear arms negotiations).

I don't agree with all ten items on the list either. And, I would have sworn old Ron-Ron was a war monger that would have made Cheney blush, but the fact remains, he did write that he wanted a world free of nuclear weapons. Imagine the howls from the Fox News crowd if Obama wrote that.