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Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama’s’

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If you read your own links you'd see that it was not a part of the "Republican platform" but in each case mentioned by individual Republicans.

Who had supported in attempting to get them passed or passed with wide majorities. Perhaps you should read before posting. You ignore that the GOP passed Cap and Trade. You ignore that the GOP passed Bonus depreciation. You ignore that the GOP passed R&D and Nuclear loans. You ignore basically everything you don't like, like all good partisan hacks.

Individual members of the GOP may say whatever they want but that does not mean it is part of the GOP platform. In fact, as noted, the majority of Republicans voted against the legislation. What more evidence do you need?

Apparently being made into law by wide Republican majorities doesn't count as a platform to you.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between a platform and an individual opinion.

Says the guy who thinks having such items passed by Republicans is just "an individual opinion."

By your argument everything parties pass is just "an individual opinion."
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Even the Conservative Messiah Sarah Palin (see how annoying that is?) supported Cap and Trade during the 2008 election season. Seems like early 2009 she suddenly changed her mind. And conservatives didn't notice. They just accept it.
 
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Even the Conservative Messiah Sarah Palin (see how annoying that is?) supported Cap and Trade during the 2008 election season. Seems like early 2009 she suddenly changed her mind. And conservatives didn't notice. They just accept it.

I think you'll find she supported capping emissions, not cap and trade. She did not support the latter.

Were you just making it up?
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Even the Conservative Messiah Sarah Palin (see how annoying that is?) supported Cap and Trade during the 2008 election season. Seems like early 2009 she suddenly changed her mind. And conservatives didn't notice. They just accept it.

What is more amusing is people saying the concept of cap and trade is not Republican.

Let's ignore just who pushed that bill for cap and trade sulfur markets.

Hey Grant.

Who passed the "U.S. acid rain cap and trade program?" And if it's so bad, why did the GOP not even think of repealing it?

I think you'll find she supported capping emissions, not cap and trade. She did not support the latter.

That's even stupider. Capping emissions without incentive to further reduce and profit is retarded. Like Sarah Palin. Cap and Trade functions by creating incentives to reduce emissions as low as possible to then sell unused credits to produce another stream of revenue. Pure limits on emissions without potentially profitable trading methods creates incentives merely to stay right below the limit.
 
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Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

I think you'll find she supported capping emissions, not cap and trade. She did not support the latter.

Were you just making it up?



Here are the eight Republicans who voted for cap and tax.
I'm glad Castle is out now. I don't know the others, but they need to go too..

Bono Mack (CA)

Castle (DE)

Kirk (IL)

Lance (NJ)

LoBiondo (NJ)

McHugh (NY)

Reichert (WA)

Smith (NJ)
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

One of the shortcomings of Rasmussen is that a majority of "likely voters" are conservative, however, "likely voters" are not a better representation of the general voting pool of a given election than inconsistant voters, because "inconsistant voters" describes most Americans.

"Likely voter" has no meaning, other than it refers to a person who will almost certainly vote, as opposed to the larger number of people who may or may not vote. Inconsistant voters are more important in elections than likely voters.
 
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Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

One of the shortcomings of Rasmussen is that a majority of "likely voters" are conservative, however, "likely voters" are not a better representation of the general voting pool of a given election than inconsistant voters, because "inconsistant voters" describes most Americans.

"Likely voter" has no meaning, other than it refers to a person who will almost certainly vote, as opposed to the larger number of people who may or may not vote. Inconsistant voters are more important in elections than likely voters.


I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Ras. has always been the most accurate in calling elections because they poll only likely voters. Takes some of the guess work out. Why would conservatives be more likely to vote?
It's getting late and almost time for Red-Eye to come on. Maybe i'm just tired and don't get where you're coming from.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

ROTFLOL... Palin 52% Obama 40%



ROTFLOL... a political MOAB!

And as we know, there are more mainstream folks than pinheads.
Seems they aren't too keen on Obama's definition of Change we can believe in.

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If true, that's just sad.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Considering that Palin dont know what her views are, then... well. are you saying that 52% of Americans are either just as stupid as Palin or that the poll it self was poorly worded?

Quite correct. Thanks.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Hey Grant.

Who passed the "U.S. acid rain cap and trade program?" And if it's so bad, why did the GOP not even think of repealing it?

The subject is cap and trade and Sarah Palin. This lack of focus, and extremely limited attention span by the Left, is either in their genes or the result of a serious lack of education.

Which do you think it might be?
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Thank goodness only 40% think there are 57 states.

Obama has such a grasp on how business works he believes they should take loans to make payroll.

THAT level of illiteracy is dangerous.


If true, that's just sad.

No... it's called learning about Obama the candidate... a little late, but at least they have learned they were sold an ocean of BS.

Now they can make an educated decision... whereas before, we had the Journolists keeping the electorate fairly ignorant. It's the only way he could win.

Geraldine Ferraro nailed him perfectly. Unfit for duty. She deserves a huge apology from Libs.

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Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

No... it's called learning about Obama the candidate... a little late, but at least they have learned they were sold an ocean of BS.

Now they can make an educated decision... whereas before, we had the Journolists keeping the electorate fairly ignorant. It's the only way he could win.

Geraldine Ferraro nailed him perfectly. Unfit for duty. She deserves a huge apology from Libs.

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No. Sad. Nothing else but.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

I cannot believe anyone would be shocked at this. The average American voter has no idea what is actually going on in their government. They tune in to spin-doctors and partisan hacks for their information. Political ads from both sides are extremely misleading and full of lies. If a country is not motivated enough to even keep-up with what is going on, is it so shocking to hear they think they are more in-line with Palin? She does not talk in details, rather she regurgitates platitudes that strike a chord with the down-home, average "joe's" and that is what keeps her popular.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

The average voter doesn't seem to even know what Palin or Obama's postiions actually are, so this isn't really worth a grain of salt.

true. for example, one of Palin's first acts on taking the governorship of Alaska was to veto a bill that would have denied healthcare and other benefits to homosexual partners of state employees. yet people jump all over her for being a far-right-wing conservative because she's open about being a Christian.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

true. for example, one of Palin's first acts on taking the governorship of Alaska was to veto a bill that would have denied healthcare and other benefits to homosexual partners of state employees. yet people jump all over her for being a far-right-wing conservative because she's open about being a Christian.

Well, there you go. She's a bleeding heart liberal for sure now.

:rolleyes:
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Obama has such a grasp on how business works he believes they should take loans to make payroll.

:D and thinks that the cure for small businesses is to convince them to go further into debt.

so that their monthly payments will be higher

so that they will have less available funds

which they will somehow magically translate into hiring more people.

:roll:

you ever get the impression they are simply throwing random s--t at a wall to see what sticks?

THAT level of illiteracy is dangerous.

indeed it is.

No... it's called learning about Obama the candidate... a little late, but at least they have learned they were sold an ocean of BS.

Now they can make an educated decision... whereas before, we had the Journolists keeping the electorate fairly ignorant. It's the only way he could win.

well, he probably would have won without them. the economy tanking took McCain's presidential chances with it. it just would have been alot closer.

but he won't have them in his pocket that thoroughly (or, probably, that organized in conspiracy form) in 2012.

Geraldine Ferraro nailed him perfectly. Unfit for duty. She deserves a huge apology from Libs.

truth. Clinton at least would not have been incompetent.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Well, there you go. She's a bleeding heart liberal for sure now.

certainly not, but neither is she the carricature that folks like yourself and the media have pinned on her.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

And 52% of liberals are actually dumb enough to think Palin said this.

antecdotally, my experience would suggest that that 52% estimate is way low.
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

One of the shortcomings of Rasmussen is that a majority of "likely voters" are conservative, however, "likely voters" are not a better representation of the general voting pool of a given election than inconsistant voters, because "inconsistant voters" describes most Americans.

"Likely voter" has no meaning, other than it refers to a person who will almost certainly vote, as opposed to the larger number of people who may or may not vote. Inconsistant voters are more important in elections than likely voters.

given that inconsistent voters are most likely to be a factor in presidential elections, you are going to have a hard time squaring that claim with the round fact that Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster for the 2004 Election, the 2008 Election, and, just for some icing, the 2006 Election as well :)
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

certainly not, but neither is she the carricature that folks like yourself and the media have pinned on her.

No, she made herslf a carricature. She needed no help. And when she says dumb and dishonest things like death panels and her socialist rant, she desereves the criticism she gets. You misunderstanding the criticism doesn't make the criticism wrong. ;)
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

given that inconsistent voters are most likely to be a factor in presidential elections, you are going to have a hard time squaring that claim with the round fact that Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster for the 2004 Election, the 2008 Election, and, just for some icing, the 2006 Election as well :)

Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight tends to not share your enthusiasm for Rasmussen.


Although Rasmussen has certainly gotten a lot of things right, their high pollster rating was mostly based on their strong performance in 2004 and 2006. Their rating is likely to go down now that we've found their 2000 data, and are adding in the 2008 data, when their performance was mediocre.

FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: pollster ratings
 
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:lol: yeah, they were 'mediocre' in 2008.

which i guess is one way of saying that they tied with Pew for first place. :roll:


sorry folks, face it; Rasmussen has a good model for predicting elections.
 
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Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

No, she made herslf a carricature. She needed no help. And when like death panels and her socialist rant, she desereves the criticism she gets. You misunderstanding the criticism doesn't make the criticism wrong. ;)

Perhaps the poster was looking for more intelligent comments of Sarah Palin, supported by actual facts, than "she says dumb and dishonest things".
 
Re: Rasmussen: ‘52 percent of voters say their views are more like Palin’s than Obama

Considering that Palin dont know what her views are, then... well. are you saying that 52% of Americans are either just as stupid as Palin or that the poll it self was poorly worded?

Well said.

32% are too busy to answer the phone.
 
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