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Rangel guilty: House ethics panel rules misconduct - Yahoo! News

AP-5:30pm New York Rep. Charles Rangel, a longtime power in the U.S. House, violated its rules with financial misconduct, brought it discredit and will be punished, fellow lawmakers sitting as jurors ruled on Tuesday.

Protesting the enduring stain on his four-decade congressional career, the 80-year-old Democrat said he was treated unfairly for "good faith mistakes." His statement reflected the bitterness of an eight-month career slide, starting with an unrelated ethics ruling that forced him from his coveted chairmanship of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

As any one who knows me knows, I hate corruption with a passion. Rangel is guilty on 11 or 13 counts. He should lose his job over it, but probably won't. He is an embarrassment to Congress, to his district, and to his party.
 

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I'm glad he was found guilty - I think his posturing for the past months was ludicrous. No he won't lose his job over it but then again, I think it's not unreasonable to think that Charlie didn't just BECOME corrupt at 78 or 79 years old. How long have this or frankly, other non-ethical or possibly illegal acts occurred? We'll never probably know if they in fact occurred but he didn't wake up one morning and decide to suddenly start doing unethical things.

Yes he should be expelled from Congress and fat chance that'll happen.
 

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Rangel guilty: House ethics panel rules misconduct - Yahoo! News

As any one who knows me knows, I hate corruption with a passion. Rangel is guilty on 11 or 13 counts. He should lose his job over it, but probably won't. He is an embarrassment to Congress, to his district, and to his party.

I was in shock that they did the right thing and found him Guilty on that many counts, and this post is equally surprising because most people here tend to stick to defending their Party right or wrong. Mostly wrong.

One or two or two guilty verdicts I expected because then they could have said we did our jobs, and then they could have slapped him on the wrist and said bad boy don't let it happen again, but now they have to take some sort of serious action.

I agree he should be thrown out on his ear, and if possible charged criminally as was War Hero Duke Cunningham.

I hated to hear Duke was charged and crushed when it was shown he was guilty but at that point it was time to not pass go and head straight off to Jail.

Rangel is no better, I only wish there were a way when make a clean sweep of both Houses of Congress and fire, charge and jail, all the tax evaders in Government jobs.
 

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Rangel guilty: House ethics panel rules misconduct - Yahoo! News



As any one who knows me knows, I hate corruption with a passion. Rangel is guilty on 11 or 13 counts. He should lose his job over it, but probably won't. He is an embarrassment to Congress, to his district, and to his party.

The bad news is that he is definitely going to be reelected. Hyperpartisans in both parties don't give a damn about anything except the D or R that is after a scumbag's name. That applies to David Vitter, as well as Charles Rangel. This, of course, is part and parcel of the poison that infests our political system. My only question is this: When are people going to stop drinking the Kool-Aid? Until they do, and begin using the ballot box to throw these bums out, our political system will continue to be one huge cluster**** of dishonesty.
 
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The bad news is that he is definitely going to be reelected. Hyperpartisans in both parties don't give a damn about anything except the D or R that is after a scumbag's name. That applies to David Vitter, as well as Charles Rangel. This, of course, is part and parcel of the poison that infests our political system. My only question is this: When are people going to stop drinking the Kool-Aid? Until they do, and begin using the ballot box to throw these bums out, our political system will continue to be one huge cluster**** of dishonesty.

Did you have the same opinion of Clinton after he lied under oath in an attempt to deny someone their day in court?
Did you have the same opinion about Bob Packwood for sexual harassment?

I have a hunch, but could be wrong. Somehow I recall you being a Clinton apologist.

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Rangel guilty: House ethics panel rules misconduct - Yahoo! News



As any one who knows me knows, I hate corruption with a passion. Rangel is guilty on 11 or 13 counts. He should lose his job over it, but probably won't. He is an embarrassment to Congress, to his district, and to his party.

What really bugs me about this, is 1) He doesn't have the integrity to step down now that he's officially been deemed a crook, 2) the ethics panel isn't going to level any kind of just punishment for this, 3) I highly doubt the democrats will band together to force him to resign, since they just don't have any kind of track record for doing so. (William Jefferson, Jack Murtha, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, etc...) and 4) democratic voters will with out any doubt what so ever, re-elect the guy just like they have with all the other corrupt democrats from the past.
 

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What really bugs me about this, is 1) He doesn't have the integrity to step down now that he's officially been deemed a crook, 2) the ethics panel isn't going to level any kind of just punishment for this, 3) I highly doubt the democrats will band together to force him to resign, since they just don't have any kind of track record for doing so. (William Jefferson, Jack Murtha, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, etc...) and 4) democratic voters will with out any doubt what so ever, re-elect the guy just like they have with all the other corrupt democrats from the past.

What bothers me is that he was reelected. The poeple should have ahndled this but didn't. Our problem with the voters is not a partisan thing. Both sides have made some fairly poor choices over the years.
 

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Larry Craig crucified for attempting to have gay sex, forced to step down
Rangel convicted on 11 of 13 counts...anyone want to bet he walks?
 

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Larry Craig crucified for attempting to have gay sex, forced to step down
Rangel convicted on 11 of 13 counts...anyone want to bet he walks?

He likely will. But as a people, politically his people, those who would ahve voted for Graig, we handle corruption better than homosexuality. Sadly.
 

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I agree and it was a Nancy Pelosi's House that did this to Rangel. Those damn liberals. ;)

I understand there were 4 Democrats and 4 Republicans onthe panel.
 

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Will he be re-elected, a la mayor Marion Berry?
 

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What bothers me is that he was reelected. The poeple should have ahndled this but didn't. Our problem with the voters is not a partisan thing. Both sides have made some fairly poor choices over the years.

I respect the hell out of both you and Redress for putting "right and wrong" ahead of politics, so believe me when I say, that I'm not trying to start a pissing war with what I'm about to say.

When it comes to corrupt politicians, there is no party preference. While neither side of the isle can claim the high road on the issue of political corruption, over the years I have noticed how each side deals with it seems to be quite different. Maybe my own partisanship has clouded my memory, but it sure seems to me that republicans nearly always (both voters and politicians) take swift and decisive action to purge corrupt people from their ranks, even when the corruption is only alleged, or the politicians themselves resign. Democrats on the other hand, seem more interested playing politics when one of their own is involved in corruption. They either go into damage control mode and defend their corrupt people, or the simply sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened. They almost never resign.

Just on memory alone, I can come up with several examples in recent to back up my belief. On the republican side, you have Mark Foley, Who was denounced by his colleagues for texting a 17 year old boy and forced to resign.

Trent Lott, who resigned as house speaker over bogus allegations of racism.

Tom Delay, who resigned as majority leader and opted not to run for reelection over criminal charges that he was found not guilty of committing.

Larry Craig, who was accused but not convicted of solicitation, (which I hardly consider "corruption") was repudiated by republicans and pressured to resign. He rescinded his resignation however, and finished out his term and didn't run for reelection.

On the democrat side, racist and former KKK grand wizard Robert Byrd, who said the "N" word on Fox News in 2001, was hailed by democrats and served for 41 years till his death.

Jack Murtha, the king of pork who was caught on tape by the FBI in a bribe scandal in the 70's (turned states evidence for immunity), who was under investigation when he died, was reelected year after year.

Chris Dodd, who has been in the thick of political corruption for years, including the Countywide scandal, has never been asked to resign and probably would have run again if his poll numbers weren't so bad.

Barney Frank, who's boyfriend ran a brothel out of his apartment and refused to reform Fanny and Freddie, has never been asked to step down, and is reelected year after year.

William Jefferson, who was caught by the FBI in a sting with $90,000.00 in bribe money in his freezer, not only wasn't asked to resign, but won reelection and was offered a leadership position by Nancy Pelosi even with the criminal charges pending.

Marion Barry, caught on film smoking crack while mayor of D.C, not only didn't resign, he ended up serving time in the federal pen, then after his release was elected mayor of DC again. He is still on the DC city council to this day.


See what I mean?
 

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I'll respect a non-pissing war pact. But I do think that is more your memory and view. Different things often call for different reactions. As do different time periods. And when a person retires, we seldom say you suck. We're ususally gracious. I think you have a few of those wrong up there. But I don't care enough to check them all out. And I only speak for myself, always. Corruption is corruption, and each candidate has to answer to his electorate and his party. Democrats in general have less problem with homosexuality and fooling around in general, . . . I think (as I could be wrong). And sometimes it isn't what was done, but the hypocracy of the person doing doing it. An anti-homosexual republican trying to illicit sex with men is a much bigger story than a gay activist democrat doing the same thing.

But, the point is wrong is wrong, and even with some difference as to where the line is, I think most of us agree that corruption is a bad thing and we should not have it or support it regradless of party.
 

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Rangel is a chair of the committee which writes tax law. Then he is convicted of violations having to do with the very law he played a major role in writing. He should resign. If he fails to do that, he should be expelled. His voters re-elected him and he has that to ease his soul in the last years ahead of him. But he should be gone and be gone before the new congress starts in January.
 

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Rangel is a chair of the committee which writes tax law. Then he is convicted of violations having to do with the very law he played a major role in writing. He should resign. If he fails to do that, he should be expelled. His voters re-elected him and he has that to ease his soul in the last years ahead of him. But he should be gone and be gone before the new congress starts in January.

i thought he gave up that chair.
 

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Rangel is a chair of the committee which writes tax law. Then he is convicted of violations having to do with the very law he played a major role in writing. He should resign. If he fails to do that, he should be expelled. His voters re-elected him and he has that to ease his soul in the last years ahead of him. But he should be gone and be gone before the new congress starts in January.

The only word is pathetic.

He is out today trying to paint himself as a victim of a witch hunt.

I honestly beleive he thinks what he did was OK, he said attorneys told him there was no corruption.

A blind man could see he was violating the law.
 

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i thought he gave up that chair.

You could be right. I remember earlier this year he took a "leave of absence" from the chairman position.
 

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He is a POS. but, because he is a democrat he, like many before him will skate. anyone remember William "dollar bill" Jefferson?

if they try to fry his ass, there will be some retard that will cry racism.
 

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i thought he gave up that chair.

That is correct, he is no longer the Chair of Ways and Means and has not been for awhile. Not sure if he resigned or was tossed, but he has not been the chair for a few months.

I enjoy watching people who will take every opportunity to make something nonpartisan into something partisan. Corruption is not a party thing, both parties have corrupt people, and it is not a reflection on either party, no matter how much some people will try and make it such.
 

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I enjoy watching people who will take every opportunity to make something nonpartisan into something partisan. Corruption is not a party thing, both parties have corrupt people, and it is not a reflection on either party, no matter how much some people will try and make it such.

funny that when a republican is found to be corrupt or suspected homo (larry craig) they are quickly drummed out of office. the democrats....not so much. that is where the partisan bit comes in. how the two parties deal with transgressors.

come on Dems, restore my faith and get rid of Rangel in short order.
 

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funny that when a republican is found to be corrupt or suspected homo (larry craig) they are quickly drummed out of office. the democrats....not so much. that is where the partisan bit comes in. how the two parties deal with transgressors.

come on Dems, restore my faith and get rid of Rangel in short order.

Not gonna happen
 

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funny that when a republican is found to be corrupt or suspected homo (larry craig) they are quickly drummed out of office. the democrats....not so much. that is where the partisan bit comes in. how the two parties deal with transgressors.

come on Dems, restore my faith and get rid of Rangel in short order.

You will be quick to notice that it is not always the case that corrupt republicans are "drummed out of office", and that I and the democratic party have zero control over the voters in Rangel's district. You will also notice that the panel that convicted him was half democrat, and still found him guilty.

Nice try though.
 

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You will be quick to notice that it is not always the case that corrupt republicans are "drummed out of office", and that I and the democratic party have zero control over the voters in Rangel's district. You will also notice that the panel that convicted him was half democrat, and still found him guilty.

Nice try though.

bull****. just as the republican party (who had no control over the voters in Craig's district) forced Craig to resign. the democrats could force Rangel to resign...IF they wanted to. the problem is......they don't.
 

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What bothers me is that he was reelected. The poeple should have ahndled this but didn't. Our problem with the voters is not a partisan thing. Both sides have made some fairly poor choices over the years.

Pure "gerrymandering" kept this seat for Charlie.


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