Rand Paul: Obama's plan to arm Syrian rebels means siding with terrorists (1 Viewer)

[Tovarish]

Do you have proof of this?

Suit yourself. I'm sure random Youtubers and Syrian state propaganda are far more reliable than HRW

No, it doesn't.


I don't think that cutting off people's heads is normal, no. But it wasn't done to a Catholic priest by the FSA, it was done to Syrian soldier by al-Nusra and is therefore irrelevant when it comes to supporting the FSA.

Have proof of this. (at the forum banned links to Russian sites. (read through the Google translatorHuman Rights Watch.)), but to prove the obvious - is silly.

I'm sure random Youtubers and Syrian state propaganda are far more reliable than HRW

Right. Far more reliable than HRW.

No, it doesn't.

Article - nonsense. Two-faced HRW say without proof. Deceitful HRW claims, that the Assad soldiers cut off the head . Why should I believe the two-faced, deceitful HRW? Where were HRW when bombed Serbia (without the sanction of the United Nations)? Where were HRW when invaded Iraq under the false pretext of (chemical weapons Saddam Hussein)? HRW has not made any statement in connection with violations of the rights of Russian speakers in Latvia and Estonia. Nothing was said about the capture of the Orthodox churches in Ukraine, or arrests of activists Russian Cossacks in Kazakhstan, or the ethnic cleansing in Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. But as is the case with the protection of human rights in the Middle East. Few would deny that the most unlawful and medieval state in the region is Saudi Arabia, where members of the opposition groups are not judged, and hanged, where sexual minorities in the square chop your head. And how much do you think, HRW has made allegations of violations of human rights in Saudi Arabia during eight-year period (1994 - 2001 yy)? Only eight (8). This compares with 122 applications and appeals made ​​by HRW in the same period of time due to "violations" of human rights by the Serbian authorities. Do I need to comment? ... HRW - corrupt whores.

 

[MadLib]

Have proof of this. (at the forum banned links to Russian sites. (read through the Google translatorHuman Rights Watch.)), but to prove the obvious - is silly.

The Serbian genocide in Kosovo is common knowledge. The fact that your link calls it "police anti-terror activities" says more about the author than about HRW. It may have pro-US bias in regards to Latin American policy, but not in regards to Israel (which people place far more emphasis on.)

I read the introduction, but not the whole thing, but it is quite clearly anti-US propaganda. I'm not even sure how it supports your claim, because it only mentions Chechnya twice and "terrorist" once.

Right. Far more reliable than HRW.

:rofl You can't be serious. Even with HRW's alleged problems, it still doesn't sink to the unprofessional nature of a Youtube video or the blatantly dishonest character of Assad state propaganda.

Article - nonsense. Two-faced HRW say without proof. Deceitful HRW claims, that the Assad soldiers cut off the head . Why should I believe the two-faced, deceitful HRW?

It never said that the Assad soldiers beheaded Murad, the article claimed that al-Nusra did.

Where were HRW when bombed Serbia (without the sanction of the United Nations)?

Probably reporting on Milosevic's roving death squads as they were murdering tens of thousands of Bosniak civilians.

Where were HRW when invaded Iraq under the false pretext of (chemical weapons Saddam Hussein)?

Right here:

Iraq

HRW has not made any statement in connection with violations of the rights of Russian speakers in Latvia and Estonia. Nothing was said about the capture of the Orthodox churches in Ukraine, or arrests of activists Russian Cossacks in Kazakhstan, or the ethnic cleansing in Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. But as is the case with the protection of human rights in the Middle East.

I wouldn't know about what you are talking about, but Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan aren't in the Middle East.

Few would deny that the most unlawful and medieval state in the region is Saudi Arabia, where members of the opposition groups are not judged, and hanged, where sexual minorities in the square chop your head. And how much do you think, HRW has made allegations of violations of human rights in Saudi Arabia during eight-year period (1994 - 2001 yy)? Only eight (8). This compares with 122 applications and appeals made ​​by HRW in the same period of time due to "violations" of human rights by the Serbian authorities. Do I need to comment? ... HRW - corrupt whores.

The Serbian crimes far exceed Saudi Arabia's backwardness, and Saudi Arabia has taken great steps towards liberalization in the past few years. In contrast, it took a bombing campaign to get Milosevic out of Bosnia and another one to get him out of Kosovo.

 

[Tovarish]

The Serbian genocide in Kosovo is common knowledge. The fact that your link calls it "police anti-terror activities" says more about the author than about HRW. It may have pro-US bias in regards to Latin American policy, but not in regards to Israel (which people place far more emphasis on.)

I read the introduction, but not the whole thing, but it is quite clearly anti-US propaganda. I'm not even sure how it supports your claim, because it only mentions Chechnya twice and "terrorist" once.

:rofl You can't be serious. Even with HRW's alleged problems, it still doesn't sink to the unprofessional nature of a Youtube video or the blatantly dishonest character of Assad state propaganda.



It never said that the Assad soldiers beheaded Murad, the article claimed that al-Nusra did.

Probably reporting on Milosevic's roving death squads as they were murdering tens of thousands of Bosniak civilians.

Right here:

Iraq

I wouldn't know about what you are talking about, but Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan aren't in the Middle East.


The Serbian crimes far exceed Saudi Arabia's backwardness, and Saudi Arabia has taken great steps towards liberalization in the past few years. In contrast, it took a bombing campaign to get Milosevic out of Bosnia and another one to get him out of Kosovo.

You troll? В противном случае, зачем писать этот бред?
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The Serbian genocide in Kosovo is common knowledge. The fact that your link calls it "police anti-terror activities" says more about the author than about HRW. It may have pro-US bias in regards to Latin American policy, but not in regards to Israel (which people place far more emphasis on.) I read the introduction, but not the whole thing, but it is quite clearly anti-US propaganda.I'm not even sure how it supports your claim, because it only mentions Chechnya twice and "terrorist" once.

Read to the end. By the way, as I expected, if you write the truth about the U.S. - it's anti-American propaganda. It's amazing. You could say that wrote an article - crazy. (As always write "patriots"). A genocide of Serbs in Kosovo - is unknown? * laughs *
2)

You can't be serious. Even with HRW's alleged problems, it still doesn't sink to the unprofessional nature of a Youtube video or the blatantly dishonest character of Assad state propaganda.

HRW - corrupt whores. Any sources of information far more reliable than HRW.
3)

It never said that the Assad soldiers beheaded Murad, the article claimed that al-Nusra did.

You can say whatever you want. Why should I believe? Any criminal when was grabbed by the ass, says that he is not guilty. On the one hand I see the video, on the other hand deceitful organization says - do not believe your eyes. Whom would believe adequate person?
4)

Probably reporting on Milosevic's roving death squads as they were murdering tens of thousands of Bosniak civilians.

And why not millions? Or billions? Apparently the Kosovo terrorists, did not kill Serbs? They had no time. Kosovo terrorists, at this time, trading in human organs. (By the way, why HRW was chewing snot, not indignant trade in human organs.)
5)

Right here:Iraq

In the article, HRW as usual chewing snot. And not a word about the "chemical weapons Saddam Hussein"
6)

I wouldn't know about what you are talking about, but Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan aren't in the Middle East.

That means - in Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan can violate human rights? or HRW not the command was given? By the way I am not saying that these countries are in the Middle East. Latvia and Estonia - is the European Union. And even Estonia and the euro area. In this HRW stopped up his deceitful mouth?
7)

The Serbian crimes far exceed Saudi Arabia's backwardness, and Saudi Arabia has taken great steps towards liberalization in the past few years. In contrast, it took a bombing campaign to get Milosevic out of Bosnia and another one to get him out of Kosovo.

Without the sanction of the United Nations. So create the Nazis - they spit upon "League of Nations". And if it was not sanctions - it means everything is not pure in these bombings. \\\ I wonder - what Saudi Arabia has taken great steps towards liberalization in 1994 - 2001? In Saudi Arabia has oil - in Serbia. not. This is the difference.
Conclusion: HRW - - A criminal organization.

 

[polisciguy]

Let us not forget to take into consideration that the bulk of the rebels aren't even Syrian. And I speculate they may be under American influence.

 

[Red_Dave]

Let us not forget to take into consideration that the bulk of the rebels aren't even Syrian. And I speculate they may be under American influence.

Evidence? Also lets not forget that the FSA and AL Nursra have been busy killing each other, the former is not responsible for the actions of the latter.

 

[polisciguy]

Evidence? Also lets not forget that the FSA and AL Nursra have been busy killing each other, the former is not responsible for the actions of the latter.

My colleague at Georgetown did a great deal of examination of the conflict. Also, testimony from a colleague's family, living in Syria.

95% of 'Syrian rebels' not Syrians - report - YouTube Here is his news cast.

EDIT: And my speculative portion comes from my days as an intelligence officer.

 

[Red_Dave]

My colleague at Georgetown did a great deal of examination of the conflict. Also, testimony from a colleague's family, living in Syria.

95% of 'Syrian rebels' not Syrians - report - YouTube Here is his news cast.

EDIT: And my speculative portion comes from my days as an intelligence officer.

Kofi Annan said exactly the opposite at lunch the other day.

 

[Lukas105]

I learned from my church that the Syrian rebels are holding Orthodox priests. There is no "good" side in this conflict and we should stay FAR away from it. If one side commits atrocities as they are, Use the U.N, that's why we have it.

Orthodox Priests Continue To Be Targeted By Syrian Rebels - OpEd Eurasia Review

Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Rand Paul: Obama's plan to arm Syrian rebels means siding with terrorists - YouTube

I agree 100% Rand! :applaud There are a few things we can agree upon Mr. Paul but this seems to be one of them!

 

[polisciguy]

Kofi Annan said exactly the opposite at lunch the other day.

Regardless, I suspect it's under a great deal of foreign influence, and I don't buy into the makeup of the rebels being predominately Syrian.

 

[MadLib]

If one side commits atrocities as they are, Use the U.N, that's why we have it.

Um, actually this war is the best proof of why the UN is impotent and useless. Because the Russians and Chinese have veto power in the Security Council, the UN hasn't been able to do anything other than vaguely mumble about a ceasefire.

 

[Lukas105]

Even the UN has it's limits, They can't intervene because they don't know who to stop. Both sides are committing war atrocities, and the different sides in the UN are blaming only one or the other. The stupidity of bureaucracy. . . There is no clear answer I can give to solve the Syrian Civil War, besides sit and watch.

Um, actually this war is the best proof of why the UN is impotent and useless. Because the Russians and Chinese have veto power in the Security Council, the UN hasn't been able to do anything other than vaguely mumble about a ceasefire.

 

[MadLib]

Even the UN has it's limits, They can't intervene because they don't know who to stop. Both sides are committing war atrocities, and the different sides in the UN are blaming only one or the other. The stupidity of bureaucracy. . . There is no clear answer I can give to solve the Syrian Civil War, besides sit and watch.

What the UN could do is actually impose a ceasefire and attempt to use peacekeepers to keep the two sides apart until a deal could be made.

 

[Lukas105]

Sadly, I can see the peacekeepers being shot at, just bringing in a third faction. . .

What the UN could do is actually impose a ceasefire and attempt to use peacekeepers to keep the two sides apart until a deal could be made.

 

[Jredbaron96]

The majority of Syrian rebels are not terrorists. Yes, you have the Al-Nusar front, but that is one group, compared to the 50,000 (Estimated) Free Syrian Army.

Mr. Paul best stick his nose out of things he does not understand.

 

[Coin]

If they are not terrorist, they are amators.

If you put on their shoulder a heavy gun, they will think they become Robocops.
And in a way or another, however how US help them, they will definitely turn against US.

Saddam Hussein was the best example for both sides and their sick kind of play.

 

[MadLib]

Mr. Paul best stick his nose out of things he does not understand.

You mean he should abandon his career in politics? Seems a little harsh

 

[Jredbaron96]

You mean he should abandon his career in politics? Seems a little harsh

Oh man, that's cold.

 

[MadLib]

You troll? В противном случае, зачем писать этот бред?

English, please.

Read to the end. By the way, as I expected, if you write the truth about the U.S. - it's anti-American propaganda. It's amazing. You could say that wrote an article - crazy. (As always write "patriots"). A genocide of Serbs in Kosovo - is unknown? * laughs *

The US has done many bad things. I don't, however, automatically assume that we are evil or have evil intentions.

HRW - corrupt whores. Any sources of information far more reliable than HRW.

Whatever you say about HRW, it isn't beholden to the United States. Syrian state media is always beholden to Assad.

You can say whatever you want. Why should I believe? Any criminal when was grabbed by the ass, says that he is not guilty. On the one hand I see the video, on the other hand deceitful organization says - do not believe your eyes. Whom would believe adequate person?

Can you tell the allegiance of the murderers in the video just by watching it?

And why not millions? Or billions? Apparently the Kosovo terrorists, did not kill Serbs? They had no time. Kosovo terrorists, at this time, trading in human organs. (By the way, why HRW was chewing snot, not indignant trade in human organs.)

How does that compare to at least 3000 Albanian Kosovars killed by Milosevic's fascist forces?

In the article, HRW as usual chewing snot. And not a word about the "chemical weapons Saddam Hussein"

HRW was always opposed to the Iraq War. I remember seeing an article condemning it, I'll find it if you like.

That means - in Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan can violate human rights? or HRW not the command was given? By the way I am not saying that these countries are in the Middle East. Latvia and Estonia - is the European Union. And even Estonia and the euro area. In this HRW stopped up his deceitful mouth?

I don't know what's going on there, so I cannot judge HRW for whatever happens there.

Without the sanction of the United Nations. So create the Nazis - they spit upon "League of Nations". And if it was not sanctions - it means everything is not pure in these bombings.

If anyone involved in the Yugoslav Wars was a Nazi, it was Milosevic, along with his criminal following.

I wonder - what Saudi Arabia has taken great steps towards liberalization in 1994 - 2001? In Saudi Arabia has oil - in Serbia. not. This is the difference.

In 2015 women will be able to vote in local elections in Saudi Arabia. It isn't much, but it is progress.

Conclusion: HRW - - A criminal organization.

Conclusion: beheading - - still Assad propaganda.