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Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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He will make the team or not based on his football abilities and performance. Regardless, some dummy will be claiming that it's because of his sexuality whichever way that goes.

It's news because it's groundbreaking. Most people won't care about the second one. It was news when Jackie Robinson played for the Dodgers, now nobody even notices that the 2nd baseman is black. He's not the first gay to play in the NFL, he's just the first that everybody knew about beforehand.
 

If it was widely assumed to be true, there would have been no need to study it. In fact the results of the first scientific study of the phenomenon on football players was released in 2000


Concussions may spell later trouble for football players

To see how the "common knowledge" has evolved


Should you let your child play football? - Magazine - The Boston Globe

The harm that could be rendered from repeated blows to the head in football was not common knowledge in the 80s.
 
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I consider the act itself to be a psychological attack upon my child, just as the government indoctrination center saying it not only has the right, but the duty to teach my 10 year old how to put a condom on a banana!!!

What?

It's called premature sexualization - it is inappropriate and psychologicall damaging to children. Kids should not be subjected to such things

All public displys of affection?

- and if you feel differently fine, go ahead and screw your kid up all you want, but you have no right to expose my child to what I would consider to be your perversion.

my perversion? huh? Actually you can control that....don't watch.

Just as I would have no right to proselytize your child with religion.

Well let me point out the difference. 1. two people in an emotional moment show emotion while the media watches. Their actions are passive. 2. Proselytizing to my child would be an active attack on who he is.
Now are you saying that prayers before NASCAR races should be banned too because some people do not pray to JEsus?


The fact that most Amerikans no longer have an understanding of what is appropriate or inappropriate is a clear indicator of where we are headed as a society
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What exactly was inappropriate here?


It is, in fact, a slippery slope; and from the standpoint of the radical left, it has to do with breaking down the family - as Marx and other leftists have written that it is essential to destroy the family, lest it be in competition with the state.

How does this break down the family?

Broken families, dysfunctional families, tend to produce dysfunctional adults, which leads to a dysfunctional society in which the major player in everyone life must eventually become the government.

Seriously that is quite a slope.... So your view is that two people kissing on TV leads to fascism?


It's not that complicated, and it is rooted in logic from the standpoint of the radical left - destroy the family, and grow the all-powerful state to take its place.

Your vision of the future is remarkably complicated. And illogical.
 
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Thus, the 7th round. I'm not saying he necessarily deserved to go higher. I'm saying that a guy who was co-DPOY in the SEC probably deserves a late round flyer.

Quite frankly I don't even think he warranted a 7th round pick. I can see signing him as an undrafted rookie to see if he can hold up through camp, but his combine results were so atrocious that I doubt he will even survive the first cut.
 
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freedom of oppression you guys are great.:lamo

Are you saying that gays have not been oppressed?

if he doesn't make the team i figure it will have little to do with him being gay and him just not having the skills to play the position up to expectations.

I think it will have nothing to do with him being gay. That is sort of my point.


has nothing to do with what i said but ol well.

then explain


the only people making a big deal about it is people like you. To everyone else he is a mid-level 7th rounder no that big of a deal.

actually the fact that the camera was at his house, that it lead many news programs and everyone from Rush to John Oliver commented on it...........I think I am not the only one.


because it isn't that big of a deal. being gay doesn't give you some special brand that you get a cookie or anything or make you special above someone else.
more so all the media attention he is getting for going in the 7th round.

see you make my point....good boy.




seeing how ratings decline after the first night they would tend to disagree with you. i am sure there are some really dedicated fans that watch after the 2 maybe 3 round but after that viewership really drops off.

Just because fewer people are watching doesn't mean that there aren't people who aren't interested in it. You see hardcore football fans pay attention.
 
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being bothered by the sight of two men kissing.

I'm sorry, but that's largely a gut reaction.

For some people, yeah...the sight of ANY body kissing in public bothers them. For others, the sight of same sex couples bothers them. For others, perhaps it's seeing their parents kissing in public or their little sister or their grandparents. Perhaps they dislike seeing large couples, or a couple where one person is larger than the other, kissing. Perhaps if they find both people ugly they don't like seenig it. Perhaps if they're just old they don't like it. Perhaps they generally don't mind it unless it's opened mouth.

I could go on and on.

It's one thing to suggest people should be accepting of gay people and things relating to it. It's another thing to try and tell people that their emotional feelings inherent within them are wrong. Why is it exactly that we can tell people it's wrong to suggest people stop being attracted to the same sex, but it's perfectly okay to tell people to not be repulsed by the sight of something. Both are emotions, are bodily reactions and feelings.

I think the over the top ridiculousness of "OMG! My poor children! They're scarred for life because they saw kids kissing" is laughable. However, the notion that "I just don't like seeing two guys kissing" is not some horrible unreasonable thing. Saying "I don't like seeing two guys kissing, but I don't mind seeing a guy and girl kiss" is not some crazy, unreasonable notion.

Anyone who says that they'd look at any situation of a publicly shown affection...or hell, let's make it easy and just say "kiss"...and would NEVER find ANY version of it bothersome or unsettling or gross or just kind of "ugg" is probably not telling the truth imho.

This is taking it a step too far in terms of the attempts to force "acceptance" into society.
 
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I couldn't agree more with this post.

Andrew Sullivan wrote something similar with the "resignation" of Brendan Eich.
 


I'm really not sure how many more ways I can say to you that it was no secret when I played football in the 1980s in high school, let alone the NFL before it sinks into your skull. Hell, the ever changing helmet technology over the last 80+ years of NFL history is a clue that the NFL was well aware of the potential for head and brain injury among its players.
 
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Quite frankly I don't even think he warranted a 7th round pick. I can see signing him as an undrafted rookie to see if he can hold up through camp, but his combine results were so atrocious that I doubt he will even survive the first cut.

Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.
 
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I agree.

it isn't that ground breaking and the only reason it is ground breaking is because he said he was gay. big friggen deal. i am hetrosexual where is my media spotlight and everything else. there were several other hetrosexual drafts that went higher so i don't see a big deal being made over them.

who cares if he was that it isn't the big deal that people are making out of it.

the bigger deal will come when he gets cut if he does for not being able to perform. we will see how these same media people react. i am sure that they will call for the coach to be fired and to boycott the rams.
 

He'll be cut when he fails to make the roster.

Sexual orientation does not a football player make.
 
1.)He'll be cut when he fails to make the roster.
2.) Sexual orientation does not a football player make.

1.) this is "possible"
2.) good thing nobody here ever suggested otherwise lol
 
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the bigger deal will come when he gets cut if he does for not being able to perform. we will see how these same media people react. i am sure that they will call for the coach to be fired and to boycott the rams.

Some idiot will. Just like some idiot will say he only made it because he's gay if he makes it. Unfortunately, there's no right way to go, but I think he earned the "right" to be given a chance.
 
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Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.

Hell, often Agents have their players hoping to go undrafted once it hits hte 7th round, because the pay difference between drafted and undrafted isn't huge and undrafted you have a better chance of going to a team that you actually want to go in because you feel you have a better chance of making the team.
 
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Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.

In fact its even better to be a free agent because you can chose the team you want,
 
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I do agree
i myself dont want to see anybody kiss i dont find generally eye pleasing, like an ugly straight couple but the thing is I would always just keep my mouth shut cause its none of my business.
I also agree with you 100% about the over the top absurdity about " "OMG! My poor children! They're scarred for life because they saw guys kissing" is completely silly.
 
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Why would that bother you more than a player kissing his girlfriend? Which we've seen, BTW...

After both of them took a big mouth full of cake, then tongue kissed? Yes, that would be disgusting, too. And when it's a massive pro football player and Kip Dynamite....yeah, it was a bit unsettling FOR AN NFL DRAFT BROADCAST.

Good gosh.
 
After both of them took a big mouth full of cake, then tongue kissed? Yes, that would be disgusting, too. And when it's a massive pro football player and Kip Dynamite....yeah, it was a bit unsettling FOR AN NFL DRAFT BROADCAST.

Good gosh.

Exactly!
 

And you have offered no evidence that it was "common knowledge" other than to assert that it was so. I have offered evidence to support the notion that it was not widely known the extent of the permanent damage that could occur as a result of repeated blows to the head in football.
 
2. I thought Elton John and the Village People were the "cultural" milestones.:roll:

Sports, especially immensely popular professional sports like the NFL, aren't part of the culture?
 
1.) this is "possible"
2.) good thing nobody here ever suggested otherwise lol

Lol !!

Its why you started this ridiculous thread.

Because of his sexual preference.

Its nonsense.

Its why he's being discussed at all, NOT because he's a Great Football Player, ( He's Not ) because he's a homosexual.

Who gives a rats ass either way ?
 
The people who are claiming "bleh who cares" are generally the type of people who wish gays didn't exist, want to pretend they don't, and want to keep them out of public view as much as they can, lest the gay cooties rub off on them and give them a case of the gay.
 

1.) thats a lie can you point out where i said his sexual preference will make or not make him as a football player
2.) 100% false
3.) yes the lies you have posted are
4.) who said this was news because he is great? he hasnt played in the NFL yet?
5.) remains to be seen
6.) people that care about equality and equal rights

Ill be waiting for the proof of the lie you made up, simply qoute me saying sexuality makes a football player, ill be waiting LOL
 

Oh BS. Your'e full of s*** man.

We're just a little sick of the constant propaganda and hyperbole from these non-inclusive activist.

You know the ones who "celebrate diversity" but who demand that all other expression and opposition be silenced.

Hypoccrites.
 
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