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Race is getting more and more difficult to discuss this doesent mean there is less racism out there though.
I alleged that the phenomenon of the drug trade and related violence in the Black community could be attributed in large part to racism, both historic and current. I again pose the question to you: why do Blacks lag behind in wealth? (for every dollar an average white family has, an average Black family has 10 cents in wealth) Why do Blacks make up such an astounding portion of the prison population? (A Black American is 6.4 times more likely to be incarcerated than a white American).I can dispute something you haven't provided facts for. You say (insert problem here) was caused by racism. Yet provide no proof that racism is the cause and not some other factor.
Its the equivalent of me countering saying its caused by a squirrel. With no facts as to how the squirrel caused the problem.
I alleged that the phenomenon of the drug trade and related violence in the Black community could be attributed in large part to racism, both historic and current. I again pose the question to you: why do Blacks lag behind in wealth? (for every dollar an average white family has, an average Black family has 10 cents in wealth) Why do Blacks make up such an astounding portion of the prison population? (A Black American is 6.4 times more likely to be incarcerated than a white American).
It means that Political Correctness is on the rise.
I alleged that the phenomenon of the drug trade and related violence in the Black community could be attributed in large part to racism, both historic and current. I again pose the question to you: why do Blacks lag behind in wealth? (for every dollar an average white family has, an average Black family has 10 cents in wealth) Why do Blacks make up such an astounding portion of the prison population? (A Black American is 6.4 times more likely to be incarcerated than a white American).
What variable are we talking about? Why do Black people end up exactly where you don't want to be in every demographic and poll? The poorest, the least educated, the most incarcerated, the least hopeful, the most oppressed? Well it seems that the one constant connector is race, yes? And what variables act on you depending on your race? Racism comes to mind. You may say culture. I'd say history. The latter two are shaped in large degree by race relations.
Keep in mind: Race as we know it is a modern invention of capitalism. There is nothing fundamentally different between Blacks, whites, Asians or Hispanics biologically that can justify this shameful state of affairs. Race does not determine a man's worth, abilities, intelligence or drive to succeed. So the very fact that there are these huge discrepancies between the various races points glaringly to racism being alive and well in our society. As I see it, you can see the plight and struggles and desperation of the Black community and see it as a result of oppression and racism--both historic and current, Or you can believe that it is just and right because of white supremacy. Give me another explanation. Please.
I explained it pretty clearly, but I'll be extra-patient, just for you. I pointed out that the discrepencies of income, education, prison rate, etc among the races suggests that racism has an impact on society. That's pretty straight forward. The variable in the descrepancies is race. The primary explanation is racism. There are other variables, ie where people live, their socio-economic factors, but these other variables have been impacted by racism as well. If you can think of some variable that explains the discrepencies between the demographics of the races, other than race, please, I am begging you, tell me what it is.There you go again.
Because it is happening.... it must be racism.
No reason WHY its racism. Just, its racism.
Thank you for the elegant dialect joke. That's nice. Now in all seriousness, you must surely know that this anecdotal attempt at refuting my argument is absurd. Are you suggesting that if ANY Black men succeed that there is no oppression of Black men? I believe in the era of slavery, Black people were pretty highly oppressed. You would agree, yes? And yet Fredrick Douglass succeeded as a political leader, orator and author. How could he have possibly have succeeded if he were oppressed? Do you conclude that he was not oppressed?Let me ask you this. How did we come to have successful blacks if racism is "holdin' da black man dowwwn" ??
I didn't say that the USA was a great place to be a working class white man. Working class white people are also oppressed. Of course, Black poor and working class people are doubly oppressed, thus the percentages make Black people much more likely to be poor. As a matter of fact, racism against Blacks and other minorities only hurts white working class people by weakening the working class as a whole, drives down their wages and limits their political power. Who is holding down working class whites? The same people holding down all poor and working class people: the ruling class.There are, in numbers, alot more poor whites in America then there are blacks. Who is "holdin' them down"???
So why is it then that so many Blacks, as you have it, lack the "motivation to succeed, holding true to family values", etc? Please offer an answer without appealing to race or racism. Why does the "some people have it, some people don't" thing also have huge statistical discrepencies based on race? I'm dying to know.Its all about motivation to succeed, holding true to family values, good parenting, and a desire to work hard to achieve goals. Some people have it, some people don't. Not to mention a lack of respect for your fellow man (white black hispanic asian arabic etc) or a lack of respect for the laws could land you in jail, or dead, regardless of your color.
Explain that part other than just saying it IS racism. Explain how you know it is racism, just don't say, ITS RACISM BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCREPANCY!!!!!I explained it pretty clearly, but I'll be extra-patient, just for you. I pointed out that the discrepencies of income, education, prison rate, etc among the races suggests that racism has an impact on society. That's pretty straight forward. The variable in the descrepancies is race. The primary explanation is racism.
Its not my job to tell you what it is. You are the one suggesting it is racism, You explain how it is racism. Don't just say, ... "it has to be". That is how the news media makes everyone think there is racism in everything. They find some statistics that look negatively on blacks and then say "There might be racism in <blank> and then everyone says, "Those RACIST ****ERS!" You are one of those reactionists that suck that **** up from the mainstream media as if it were accurate information.There are other variables, ie where people live, their socio-economic factors, but these other variables have been impacted by racism as well. If you can think of some variable that explains the discrepencies between the demographics of the races, other than race, please, I am begging you, tell me what it is.
There is a difference between Fredrick Douglass, a free man, and slaves. Blacks now are free. Duh. This is too easy.Are you suggesting that if ANY Black men succeed that there is no oppression of Black men?
We aren't an oppressive nation. We have people who lack the desire to suceed. Or they measure their success in different ways.My answer is that there are many extremely smart, talented and driven Black people in this country who manage to succeed in spite of the many obstacles they face. Also, Black culture and community, all things considered has done a fairly good job of providing strategies for success in an oppressive nation.
So why is it then that so many Blacks, as you have it, lack the "motivation to succeed, holding true to family values", etc? Please offer an answer without appealing to race or racism. Why does the "some people have it, some people don't" thing also have huge statistical discrepencies based on race? I'm dying to know.
The discrepency is based on race. Our neighborhoods are segregated based on race. So yes, this conclusively has to do with race.Explain that part other than just saying it IS racism. Explain how you know it is racism, just don't say, ITS RACISM BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCREPANCY!!!!!
Did you forget what your argument was? You obviously did. Your argument was how come we have successful black people if black people are oppressed. I demonstrated that Black people can succeed even under conditions of extreme oppression. That answered your question conclusively and refuted your argument. Don't completely change the subject and claim a victory out of that.There is a difference between Fredrick Douglass, a free man, and slaves. Blacks now are free. Duh. This is too easy.
So in the final analysis your argument boils down to: Black people as a whole have higher rates of poverty and imprisonment, lower rates of college education, make less money and die younger because... Black people as a whole don't desire to succeed? Or at least don't desire to succeed as much as white people do? That's an alarmingly common argument and a good indication of where America is in terms of racism. It's no longer a belief that all whites are better than all Blacks, it's more of the belief that the economic supremacy of whites is the result of their moral supremacy.We aren't an oppressive nation. We have people who lack the desire to suceed. Or they measure their success in different ways. Don't ask me. I have a desire to succeed.
Of course you can't, because you refuse to analyze it historically and take into consideration the role that racism has had in the history of the country.I can't explain the reason for the cultural differences between whites and blacks, why blacks are so attracted to gangs and crime at much higher rates than whites are.
But you can't explain how racism (unequal treatment of others based upon race) is at fault here.The discrepency is based on race. Our neighborhoods are segregated based on race. So yes, this conclusively has to do with race.
Your demonstration is comparing apples and oranges. Blacks are free. Thus the slavery comparison to today does not work. There is no oppression, only self oppression. Obama didn't oppress himself, look where he got.Did you forget what your argument was? You obviously did. Your argument was how come we have successful black people if black people are oppressed. I demonstrated that Black people can succeed even under conditions of extreme oppression. That answered your question conclusively and refuted your argument. Don't completely change the subject and claim a victory out of that.
No, I have provided no reason for the disparity. Ive just continued to ask you to explain your reason why it MUST be racism that is causing the problem.So in the final analysis your argument boils down to: Black people as a whole have higher rates of poverty and imprisonment, lower rates of college education, make less money and die younger because... Black people as a whole don't desire to succeed? Or at least don't desire to succeed as much as white people do? That's an alarmingly common argument and a good indication of where America is in terms of racism. It's no longer a belief that all whites are better than all Blacks, it's more of the belief that the economic supremacy of whites is the result of their moral supremacy.
What ****ing tripe this is. Be more emotional...it's really helping you out. :roll:
I did. Did you somehow forget already what you wrote?
"Some of the same posters in this thread who say America is becoming 'less and less' racist are those who will swear that it is highly unlikely that Barack Obama got through university without Affirmative Action. Seems to me like the racism is now a lot more politically correct."
I'm in the group that you stereotyped. America is definitely not as racist as it once was.
Rascist are a good example of free speech abuse.
There is no such thing as free speech abuse.Rascists are a good example of free speech abuse.
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