It's a question of semantics. I'd not call bigotry or discrimination against a particular group "racism" when the group in question is not a race. But that doesn't mean this chauvinism is any less real or problematic.
You can call it "chauvinism" (although that term originally referred to sexism), "bigotry" or something like that.
Some social scientists created a model calling that kind of bigotry "group-focused enmity", which includes racism, sexism, homophobia, ethnic and nationalistic chauvinism, xenophobia and so on.
You can call it racism. Hatred or bigotry towards races or ethnicities can be identified as racism.
Since when is being proud of the USA racist?
Since when is being proud of the USA racist?
Oh they were just proud of the USA? Well who gives a **** then!?!
LOL!!! You serious, bro?
Why is it everywhere else in the world we had better know first....
But when it comes to accusations of racist attitudes, we somehow permit people to make assumptions and then complete character assassinations of people based upon an ASSUMPTION that they are saying/doing/something for racist reasons??
Why is it everywhere else in the world we had better know first....
But when it comes to accusations of racist attitudes, we somehow permit people to make assumptions and then complete character assassinations of people based upon an ASSUMPTION that they are saying/doing/something for racist reasons??
Let's go over the facts:
1) Both teams playing were from the USA.
2) One team was predominately white.
3) One team was predominately Hispanic.
4) The home crowd was chanting USA to root for the home team against the Hispanics.
5) The people there thought it was racist.
6) The school thought it was racist and apologized.
What, exactly, is causing you trouble with this? Have you been to a sporting event? Just quit playing dumb... everyone who was there knows what it was, I know what it was, most people on this board know what it was. Just admit it and quit trying to pull this conservatives love America bull****.
What other assumptions can be made by the home team chanting USA, instead of the name of their school (which is by far the conventional standard)?
THOUGHT...
THOUGHT....
That is what is bothering me.
People are quick and easy to get offended.
I bet If I put an American Flag up on my front door, the hispanic folks down the street would suddenly be offended.
When it comes to latinos, anything about the USA is apparently offensive for some god damned reason.
But thats beside the fact, just because someone thinks something is racist does not make it so...... people have been trained for the last decade to be quick and ready to be offended at everything, even if there is no intent to do so.
There could have been any number of reasons not explained why they decided to chant USA........... But what do people do? Immediately jump to the race card.
I put the same burden of proof on accusations of racism that one should put on the state when proving a crime in court..... Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Hell, with this information, you barely have reasonable suspicion.
RYAN WALSH, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: I mean, although I think some of the students could have meant it in that way, the vast majority did not.
CARLOS FUENTES, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Whatever the chant is, I mean, you can always find something negative about it. And I do believe that at the very core of the chant, the beginning students, I believe they meant it in an offensive way, but that the rest of the audience that caught on for the few short minutes that it happened didn't mean it in that sense, didn't mean it in any way except, We're so excited that we won, you know, just ecstatic students.
So an entire team leaves feeling deflated and offended, the school apologizes, and everyone feels bad, and your first thought is "they're probably just oversensitive liberals!"? That seems a little egotistical and condescending of you.
THOUGHT...
THOUGHT....
That is what is bothering me.
People are quick and easy to get offended.
I bet If I put an American Flag up on my front door, the hispanic folks down the street would suddenly be offended.
When it comes to latinos, anything about the USA is apparently offensive for some god damned reason.
But thats beside the fact, just because someone thinks something is racist does not make it so...... people have been trained for the last decade to be quick and ready to be offended at everything, even if there is no intent to do so.
There could have been any number of reasons not explained why they decided to chant USA........... But what do people do? Immediately jump to the race card.
I put the same burden of proof on accusations of racism that one should put on the state when proving a crime in court..... Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Hell, with this information, you barely have reasonable suspicion.
I will give you this:
Students from Schools at Center of 'USA' Chant Uproar Speak Out - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation
I agree with that statement by one of the students at the high school where the chanting occurred. I would be willing to bet that most of the kids were just innocently chanting USA. Another kid said the same thing:
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Egotistical is requiring everyone to explain why they chant USA while in the USA so your delicate latino sensibilities won't be offended.
Contrary to oversensitive liberal belief, not everything someone says or does to or even NEAR you is because of what ethnicity you are.
And you don't think those students are saying that about the "beginning students" because they have been trained by the media and school from birth to believe this "Politically Correct" bull**** from birth?
Would you want information about you being a racist all over the effing news because someone made an.... assumption?
Against? So any time you chant something at a sports game its to be AGAINST something else. It HAS to be in opposition? You are already looking at this in the light most favorable to the accusation of racism.I think you are missing the point.
I understand why chanting "USA" against a team of Americans is perceived as bigoted when these Americans happen to be hispanics:
Wow, talk about a crockload of more stupid ass assumptions..... 1. Prove the intent you claimed. 2. Prove the "obvious" implication with something more than an assumption in the light most favorable to the accusations of racism.That's because when the chant "USA" has the intention of cheering on a predominantly white American team against an equally American, but predominantly hispanic team, the implication is obvious: Those chanting believe Hispanics are not real Americans.
No. Its character assassination in the name of Political Correctness.If there's only one other assumption, it's logical to call it factual with a significant degree of certainty.
San Antonio (Texas) Edison High School - whose student body is 96 percent Hispanic - filed a complaint about the incident with the University Interscholastic League, the governing body of Texas public high school extracurricular activities.
Alamo Heights boys basketball coach Andrew Brewer moved quickly to end the chanting, but the damage was already done.
"I appreciate Coach Brewer taking the action he took to stop it," San Antonio Independent School District athletics director Gil Garza told KENS. "Our kids try real hard and work extra hard to get to the regional tournament, and then we have to worry about them being subjected to this kind of insensitivity."
"Obviously we were disappointed that this happened," Alamo Heights superintendent Kevin Brown told KENS. "That's not who we are as a community and that's not who we are as a school. It's not something that's acceptable for us. Our kids are very respectable. We have to remember that they're teenagers, and kids make mistakes."
The hispanic kids are going to believe it was, Especially now at the height of the "Immigration Discussion" where the media has made any pride in the USA out to be racism against Hispanics. The school is going to apologize because that is the standard bow down damage control to the Political Correctness machine. Same with many people.No, I just expect people to not act ignorant to protect their own beliefs. I go to more sporting events than most people, and I have can honestly say I have never once heard a USA chant. Never. Not once. The people there say they thought it was malicious. The school admitted it. The Hispanic kids thought it was.
Then why did you bother responding to my post?You? Well, who cares what you think?
Not so much "Liberal media" as I believe you are the first one who brought the word liberal into our dialogue.Yeah, the "liberal media"! I forgot about that! LOLOL.
You guys crack me up man.
This is not the first time a basketball match in San Antonio has take such a turn. In a 2011 incident, students from the mostly white Cedar Park High School chanted “USA! USA!” and “Arizona! Arizona!” (which was at the center of a raging debate over its controversial anti-immigrant legislation) toward the mostly Hispanic Lanier High. A similar complaint was filed, for which Cedar Park’s school district apologized.
No. Its character assassination in the name of Political Correctness.
Its bull****.
Against? So any time you chant something at a sports game its to be AGAINST something else. It HAS to be in opposition? You are already looking at this in the light most favorable to the accusation of racism.
Wow, talk about a crockload of more stupid ass assumptions..... 1. Prove the intent you claimed. 2. Prove the "obvious" implication with something more than an assumption in the light most favorable to the accusations of racism.
Maybe the racist is the person who is assuming someone who is white MUST believe hispanics aren't real americans?
So... uhh.... What proof do you have that the coach thought it was racist? That he acted to stop the chant? More assumptions.They thought it was racist.
Of course he did. Because if your not for it... your against it. Thats how being PC works.This guy thought it was racist.
Same as above.This guy, too!
there you go again with something I never brought up.liberal media!
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