Rabbi’s suit over Florida abortion law tests bounds of religious objections after Roe

[Somerville]

For those in the "pro-life" clan arguing that the Bible supports your beliefs about the sanctity of life in the un-born, I suggest reading a bit more of the Old Testament.

Rabbi’s suit over Florida abortion law tests bounds of religious objections after Roe
"Judaism is in conflict with this law,” Rabbi Barry Silver of Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor said in an interview, explaining that Judaism supports abortions if necessary to protect the health and well-being of the mother. “We’d have to choose between practicing Judaism and this law — and if we go with Judaism, we risk criminal prosecution. I, as a rabbi, if I counsel someone to have an abortion, can be tossed in to jail.”

If the debate over abortion rights is not based on one interpretation of religious beliefs, why did Gov deSantis sign the new law in a Christian evangelical church?

Across the country, Jewish organizations had watched Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, sign the abortion restriction into law in April with alarm. He chose to hold the signing ceremony at Nacion de Fe, an evangelical church in Kissimmee.

Do conservative Americans believe in true religious freedom or do they think it only applies to Christianity?

Silver said he is pursuing the lawsuit that was filed June 10, also in Leon County, with an expanded goal not just of scrapping the Florida law but of serving as a template for others challenging state abortion bans nationwide. “It lays out the religious argument that a synagogue could make,” said Silver, “that their right to practice religion has been infringed upon.” Silver’s legal challenge faces multiple headwinds. But legal experts and national Jewish organizations say they are paying close attention to the suit, viewing it as a test case in the viability of religious liberty challenges to abortion bans in a post-Roe era. “We absolutely see this as a violation of our religious freedom,” said Sheila Katz, CEO of the National Council of Jewish Women.

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[Channe79]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

 

[BlueTex]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

Can states infringe on the first amendment rights of its Jewish citizens?

 

[highroller]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

States can dictate your religious freedom?

 

[Channe79]

States can dictate your religious freedom?

Can states infringe on the first amendment rights of its Jewish citizens?

Yes they can and they do. Mormons and Muslims can't marry more than one wife. Female circumcision isn't permitted in most States. Slavery which is justified in the Torah is also forbidden. A Jewish woman who wants to have an abortion needs to go to a State that allows them.

 

[Crovax]

For those in the "pro-life" clan arguing that the Bible supports your beliefs about the sanctity of life in the un-born, I suggest reading a bit more of the Old Testament.



If the debate over abortion rights is not based on one interpretation of religious beliefs, why did Gov deSantis sign the new law in a Christian evangelical church?


Do conservative Americans believe in true religious freedom or do they think it only applies to Christianity?



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Religious liberty has never extended to human sacrifice

 

[mrjurrs]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

Read more slowly. This isn't a case about abortion, it's a case about exercising religious freedom based on your faith. You know, the stuff you believe in when it is the Christian god.

 

[FurriesRock]

Can states infringe on the first amendment rights of its Jewish citizens?

Yes, absolutely. If a religion allows murder, should we allow it's adherents to murder at will too?

 

[highroller]

Yes they can and they do. Mormons and Muslims can't marry more than one wife. Female circumcision isn't permitted in most States. Slavery which is justified in the Torah is also forbidden. A Jewish woman who wants to have an abortion needs to go to a State that allows them.

Okay then.

I don’t want to hear that a gay wedding cake is infringing on religious liberty.

 

[Channe79]

Okay then.

I don’t want to hear that a gay wedding cake is infringing on religious liberty.

Do you not understand the difference between a private business and a State ? It scares me that you get to vote.

 

[Taylor]

The OP doesn't even say what the Rabbi's argument is.

 

[What if...?]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

So the state can prevent a religion from practicing their faith?

I believe in reincarnation and spiritual immortality, hence abortion is just temporal and no life is actually ever “lost”.

Why do Christian’s get to override my faith and impose theirs on me through the state?

Doesn’t that “establish” a state religion if it enacts laws specific to one and not others?

 

[Trippy Trekker]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

Guessing even you, with just a little online research effort, can find at least a few Constitutional Scholars who disagree with the recent gutting of Roe v. Wade. The sentiment falls along the lines of ”Laws that limit abortion infringe on privacy and autonomy.” Also, recent polls indicate more Americans disagree than agree with the controversial decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

From my point of view, the Constitution protects the Right to Render Idiot Opinions and, with few exceptions, allows the people who render them to move to any state they want to. Do you want to move to a different state?

 

[Channe79]

Read more slowly. This isn't a case about abortion, it's a case about exercising religious freedom based on your faith. You know, the stuff you believe in when it is the Christian god.

I'm agnostic of Hindu heritage. Secondly, the right to exercise your faith is already limited when it violates State law. Muslims can't marry four wives. Jews aren't allowed to swing chickens around by their legs in most places.

 

[mrjurrs]

I'm agnostic of Hindu heritage. Secondly, the right to exercise your faith is already limited when it violates State law. Muslims can't marry four wives. Jews aren't allowed to swing chickens around by their legs in most places.

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The Federal Government can clearly limit Constitutional rights time, place, and manner of any of our rights. And the injured party party has access to the courts for remedy. This was a religious freedom case as well.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

 

[mrjurrs]

Yes, absolutely. If a religion allows murder, should we allow it's adherents to murder at will too?

Strawman

 

[Binary_Digit]

Can states infringe on the first amendment rights of its Jewish citizens?

Yes they can and they do. Mormons and Muslims can't marry more than one wife. Female circumcision isn't permitted in most States. Slavery which is justified in the Torah is also forbidden.

I think the founders probably meant that there should be no law specifically targeting or banning a religion outright. If a just and secular law happens to run counter to a particular aspect of a religious doctrine, that law is still appropriate, because it's a secular law and not specifically targeting any religion.

So from that point of view, a law that prohibits genital mutilation is not a violation of the 1st (harm is caused to a victim, secular morals say this is wrong), while a law that prohibits wearing a hajib in public would be a violation of the 1st (there is no secular need for such a law because there is no victim being harmed). By that logic, the prohibition of polygamy should be ruled unconstitutional for all 50 states, if the SCOTUS were ever to take it up.

 

[Indydave]

If the rabbi doesn't like it, he and any other Jewish person who wants to have abortion rights can move to a State that allows them. There is no Constitutional right to abortion services. It is a State right and a person's religion has no bearing on this fact.

what makes it a state right......maybe it should be shuffled on down to the counties......and then the cities......and then the towns.....and then the neighborhoods......and then, oh crap I cannot say it, the individual

 

[Slartibartfast]

I suspect this will be shot down in the emergency docket on some technicality so the court can pretend it case about the religious liberty of all religions, but also maintain plausible deniability.

These words may bite me later, but we will see.

 

[highroller]

Do you not understand the difference between a private business and a State ? It scares me that you get to vote.

So I can tell you what to DO with your body, but I can’t tell you what to do WITH your body?

A woman’s body should be her private business.

 

[RAMOSS]

The OP doesn't even say what the Rabbi's argument is.

The news article did, in fact, say what the argument was, and the part that was quoted to. I am shocked you didn't manage to read it.

 

[The Mark]

For those in the "pro-life" clan arguing that the Bible supports your beliefs about the sanctity of life in the un-born, I suggest reading a bit more of the Old Testament.



If the debate over abortion rights is not based on one interpretation of religious beliefs, why did Gov deSantis sign the new law in a Christian evangelical church?


Do conservative Americans believe in true religious freedom or do they think it only applies to Christianity?



Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/po...-politics/article262964903.html#storylink=cpy

A disturbing percentage of Americans believe we should have religion dictating what the government does, including at least a few elected representatives and the like.

None of them are conservatives, because the founders didn't want that.

Well, except for the idiot conservatives who have convinced themselves that separation of church and state is NOT what the founders wanted.

And neither group gives a flying **** that all the founders were rich land owning men who were trying to build a society to protect their interests in the face of potential invasion and rule by other rich land owning men.

 

[Lursa]

Do you not understand the difference between a private business and a State ? It scares me that you get to vote.

So if a private Jewish clinic is available to perform the abortion...can you explain why that would not be permitted?

 

[FurriesRock]

Strawman

False, you need to look up the definition of the strawman fallacy.

 

[pamak]

Do you not understand the difference between a private business and a State ? It scares me that you get to vote.

Do not give us stupid lectures about "private" anything when you are okay with legislation that controls the private body of women. The idea that a State can regulate your private body but not your private business when you want to run it in accordance with your religious beliefs about gays is moronic. It scares me that YOU get to vote!