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Questioning the climate's sensitivity to added CO2

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Being scientifically skeptical about the idea that added CO2 can cause catastrophic warming, makes me look for inconsistencies.
There was a follow on study about the lab between CO2 emissions and maximum warming that caught my attention.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission
The graph shows the time between emission and maximum warming for 3 different pulse sizes 100 GtC, 1000 GtC, and 5000 GtC.
with the simulations run on one of the GCM models and run out to 1000 years.

The starting CO2 level was 389 ppm, with 100 GtC pulse increasing the CO2 level to 436 ppm,
the 1000 GtC pulse increasing the CO2 level to 859 ppm,
and the 5000 GtC pluse increasing the CO2 level to 2736 ppm.
The Y axes scale is K per 1000 GtC, so the 2 for 100 GtC becomes 0.2C of maximum warming , and the ~1.5C for 5000 GtC becomes 7.5C,
The 1000 GtC is the sacle on the graph at ~1.78C
Normalizing the responses to 2XCO2 provides VERY different sensitivities.
The smaller 47 ppm pulse has a 2XCO2 sensitivity of 1.21 C,
The mid range 470 ppm pulse has a 2XCO2 sensitivity of 1.55C,
while the high 2736 ppm pulse has a 2XCO2 sensitivity of 2.66C
The inconsistency is that the sensitivity should be about the same if the simulation is run out to 1000 years.
ECS being a 2XCO2 or a 4XCO2 pulse, would produce a higher sensitivity.
Also what dose this mean for actual CO2 step increases which average 2.5 ppm per year?
Based on the trend , The normal increases in the CO2 level of 2.5 ppm per year, would have an even lower
sensitivity than the smallest 47 ppm pulse!
 
My suggestion is for anyone to read the link despite the blocker on it. Which basically says that unless co2 emissions reduction is done then future generations will certainly be ****ed

As for our fake scientists who stated this thread do note that again all he ever does is try to dazzle you with numbers and the desperate hope that no one bothers to read his links which always tell us climate change is happening and is going to be bad.
 
My suggestion is for anyone to read the link despite the blocker on it. Which basically says that unless co2 emissions reduction is done then future generations will certainly be ****ed
Yeah it's modern day religion.
Oh whether it's going to be bad or not and has yet to be determined but sorry to break it to you the climate has been changing for 25,000 years probably 5 billion.
 
Step away from the Kool aid! Try to read and understand the science for yourself?
If you think any of my calculations are off, you can point out the errors?
 
Yes, carbon dioxide (CO2) is a major cause of global warming
.
Here's why:
1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas:
  • CO2 absorbs and re-emits infrared radiation, trapping heat in the Earth's atmosphere, similar to how glass traps heat in a greenhouse.
  • This natural process, known as the greenhouse effect, is essential for maintaining a habitable temperature on Earth.
2. Human activities have increased CO2 concentrations:
  • The burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas), deforestation, and industrial processes release large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.
  • Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are now significantly higher than pre-industrial levels.
3. Increased CO2 amplifies the greenhouse effect:
  • Higher CO2 concentrations mean more heat is trapped, leading to a rise in global average temperatures.
  • This enhanced greenhouse effect is the primary driver of the current global warming trend.
4. Scientific consensus:
  • Multiple lines of evidence and a vast body of scientific research confirm the link between increased CO2 and global warming.
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a leading international body for assessing the science related to climate change, concludes that it is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land.
In summary: Increased CO2 from human activities enhances the Earth's natural greenhouse effect, trapping more heat and causing global warming.




  • Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
    Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide * Each year, human activities release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than natural processes can remove, caus...

    Climate.gov Home


  • FAQ: Carbon Dioxide and Climate Change
    Carbon dioxide accounts for two-thirds of the global warming currently caused by human activities, with other compounds such as methane, nitrous oxide, halocarb...

    Scripps Institution of Oceanography |


  • The greenhouse effect - British Geological Survey
    Greenhouse gases. ... A greenhouse gas is called that because it absorbs infrared radiation from the Sun in the form of heat, which is circulated in the atmosph...

    BGS - British Geological Survey

 
Source?
 
Step away from the Kool aid! Try to read and understand the science for yourself?
He's addicted to the Kool-Aid.
If you think any of my calculations are off, you can point out the errors?
You're a denier which is essentially an apostate it doesn't matter if you actually deny climate change or not what matters is you don't believe the Canon.

I accept that the climate is changing and are you accept that mankind plays a role in it. The part I don't accept is the religious stupidity that it would have magically stopped all the sudden the second industrial revolution started, and I don't buy the Doomsday crap that stupid cult nonsense.

So to the people in The cult I'm an apostate. And I'm using religious words because this is a cathedral and they are told what to believe by their equivalent of priests. Mostly slow immature 20-year-olds with fetal alcohol syndrome and very rich parents.
 
Carbon dioxide is naturally occurring to the atmosphere and ice core samples from hundreds of millennia ago show that when the planet was warmer there was a much higher carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere.
 
Yeah it's modern day religion.

Oh whether it's going to be bad or not and has yet to be determined but sorry to break it to you the climate has been changing for 25,000 years probably 5 billion.
It is just a religion to you.
Of course it has. But now we have humans excellarating it.
 
Step away from the Kool aid! Try to read and understand the science for yourself?
If you think any of my calculations are off, you can point out the errors?
Your dishonesty is always obvious. Anyone just needs to read the link to understand how you cherry pick and then pretend the link backs you. Can you point to anything in that link besides your cherry picked maths that backs you.
 
None of what I said disagrees!
What are you arguing?
 
Your dishonesty is always obvious. Anyone just needs to read the link to understand how you cherry pick and then pretend the link backs you. Can you point to anything in that link besides your cherry picked maths that backs you.
I can show all my work, can you say why you think I am wrong?
The data is published in a peer reviewed scientific journal, why do you not accept the data?
 
I can show all my work, can you say why you think I am wrong?
The data is published in a peer reviewed scientific journal, why do you not accept the data?
I am not interested in your cherry picked crap. I am more interested in why your link does not back your climate denial bullshit maths.
 
I am not interested in your cherry picked crap. I am more interested in why your link does not back your climate denial bullshit maths.
The study was specifically about the lag between CO2 emissions and the maximum warming resulting from those emissions( assuming 2XCO2 forcing works like the IPCC thinks).
 
The study was specifically about the lag between CO2 emissions and the maximum warming resulting from those emissions( assuming 2XCO2 forcing works like the IPCC thinks).
The study shows that co2 needs to be curbed now or future generations will be living in a shit hell hole.
 
The study shows that co2 needs to be curbed now or future generations will be living in a shit hell hole.
Not actually a question of the study, so that may be the author’s subjective opinions.
Can you quote what they actually said, and then describe how it directly ties to the subject of the study?
The study by the way was a follow up on another study showing that for small emission pulses the lag between emission and maximum warming is about a decade. They showed the graph to demonstrate that the lag was strongly dependent on pulse size, but inadvertently also showed the climate sensitivity varied by pulse size! The smaller the pulse, the lower the sensitivity.
 
Just as your denialism is a reality to you.
I don't care about being a heretic in your religion.
Not sure or its just that it goes against your religion.
You don't see me evangelizing here declaring My religion be truth and that you must accept it or you're a denier do you?

That goes to me being a lot more tolerant than you.
 
The study shows that co2 needs to be curbed now or future generations will be living in a shit hell hole.
So quit living in a house buying things from a supermarket and living on an island with a large population. Do you know how much it costs CO2 to ship crap to New Zealand?

Why is it in every religion the worst offenders are the ones that preach the loudest?
 
Of course I cannot quote because you deliberately chose a link hidden behind a blocker.

Best I can do is read it something you hope no one will do because it does not back your denialist bullshit.
 
I don't care about being a heretic in your religion.

You don't see me evangelizing here declaring My religion be truth and that you must accept it or you're a denier do you?

That goes to me being a lot more tolerant than you.
Why would I want to be tolerant of people who deny science because it does not fit into their ideology?
 
Another example of make something sound stupid and stupid people will believe it.
 
Of course I cannot quote because you deliberately chose a link hidden behind a blocker.

Best I can do is read it something you hope no one will do because it does not back your denialist bullshit.
There is nothing wrong with the link to IOP science that I can see.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission
So you have not looked at the study, yet claim,
The study shows that co2 needs to be curbed now or future generations will be living in a shit hell hole.
Perhaps the research gate link will work for you.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission
The main problem I see is you deny anything that does not agree with what you already believe,
this is not how science is done!
I am guessing you cannot grasp the significance of smaller CO2 pulses having much lower sensitivity and a much shorter lag
time between emission and maximum warming.
The unknown lag before Ricke and Caldeira, and this study, allowed people to claim that the warming from
earlier CO2 emissions had not happened yet, that warming was in the pipeline.
That is no longer a problem.
This implies that the warming commitment from past CO2 emissions is small, and that future warming will largely be determined by current and future CO2 emissions.
Because Human style emissions could easily be looked at as annual step increases (Pulses) of about 2.5 ppm,
We have already seen all the potential warming from any CO2 emitted before 2015!
(Of course I do not think the empirical data supports added CO2 causing warming at all, but these studies
used the same models that found high ECS climate sensitivity.)
 
Of course I cannot quote because you deliberately chose a link hidden behind a blocker.

Best I can do is read it something you hope no one will do because it does not back your denialist bullshit.
That link is not paywalled if that is what you mean.
 
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