Question for Face of Jacob (1 Viewer)

[Thelost1]

ok, This post is directed mostly at face of Jacob but I would like for others to see it because I am relatively confident in myself.

The deal: Face of Jacob, in many posts you say that the existance of god and the inerrancy of the Torah is an established fact. You cite a particular post that you made (http://www.debatepolitics.com/414113-post284.html) that you seem to believe proves you right. I do not believe it does. My reasons are below. The reason I take particular issue with you is because, like myself, you are a Jew. Anything that would prove the Torah correct would be of great importance to me.

Why I dislike the post that you referance to: That post begins with a statement of your belief, I don't care about that, I know already what you believe. You then make a set of assertions about the historical basis of the Torah, without citation. I can't even check if your source is a real peer-reviewed historical journal, our just your beliefs. You then launch into a set of quotes from the Torah that are irrelevant unless the truth of the Torah is first established, until that point the quotes don't matter. You end this post by comparing the Torah to the wedding of one's parents, saying that there is he same amount of proof for each. This is simply untrue, in a wedding there can be dozens or hundreds of (living) witnesses, transaction records with all involved businesses/people/the government, a license kept in multiple places (with witnesses to it's signing), and a lack of involvement of that which cannot be directly observed.

As you know, I have no opinion on whether god, nirvana, nature spirits, demons, or anything else that is supernatural exists, it could, but until I see proof there is nothing to suggest that it does. Should I see proof of anything like that my opinion would radically change.

oh, and could other people please stay out of any debate that may form? I don't know if this is against the rules or not but I'd like to do it anyways.

 

[Jerry]

....oh, and could other people please stay out of any debate that may form? I don't know if this is against the rules or not but I'd like to do it anyways.

Why don't you just put up a big flashing neon sign saying "Jerry, come bug the crap out of me". If you don't want commentary from the peanut gallery, have your conversation in PM or a True Debate (...now that's an idea!!!! )

You forgot the Flying Spaghetti Monster and invisible, intangible, flying Pink Elephants.

Oh, and, you will need a Hebrew to English dictionary on hand for this debate, as the Torah’s truth is self evident only in Hebrew.

 

[The face of Jacob]

ok, This post is directed mostly at face of Jacob but I would like for others to see it because I am relatively confident in myself.

The deal: Face of Jacob, in many posts you say that the existance of god and the inerrancy of the Torah is an established fact. You cite a particular post that you made (http://www.debatepolitics.com/414113-post284.html) that you seem to believe proves you right. I do not believe it does. My reasons are below. The reason I take particular issue with you is because, like myself, you are a Jew. Anything that would prove the Torah correct would be of great importance to me.

Why I dislike the post that you referance to: That post begins with a statement of your belief, I don't care about that, I know already what you believe. You then make a set of assertions about the historical basis of the Torah, without citation. I can't even check if your source is a real peer-reviewed historical journal, our just your beliefs. You then launch into a set of quotes from the Torah that are irrelevant unless the truth of the Torah is first established, until that point the quotes don't matter. You end this post by comparing the Torah to the wedding of one's parents, saying that there is he same amount of proof for each. This is simply untrue, in a wedding there can be dozens or hundreds of (living) witnesses, transaction records with all involved businesses/people/the government, a license kept in multiple places (with witnesses to it's signing), and a lack of involvement of that which cannot be directly observed.

As you know, I have no opinion on whether god, nirvana, nature spirits, demons, or anything else that is supernatural exists, it could, but until I see proof there is nothing to suggest that it does. Should I see proof of anything like that my opinion would radically change.

oh, and could other people please stay out of any debate that may form? I don't know if this is against the rules or not but I'd like to do it anyways.

You know, I don't reckon you are Jewish at all. Your ugly comments about main Jewish customs well proved it. I've answered all your questions (couple of times). If you want more answers then go to a Rabbi.

 

[Thelost1]

no, you haven't, I suppose that you think you have, though, and that is the best I will get from you. You are right though, I should talk to my rabbi, athough she cares more about people doing good things than about them respecting jewish law, and as for your comment about my not being jewish, think that if it makes you feel better

 

[Thelost1]

oh , and jerry, what do you mean by "true debate"

 

[The face of Jacob]

I should talk to my rabbi athough she cares more about people doing good things than about them respecting jewish law,

I wouldn't be surprised if you will tell me that she is also a lesbian...

 

[Jerry]

oh , and jerry, what do you mean by "true debate"

The True Debate contests.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/true-debates/

It’s you and one opponent. A given debate is ref’ed by someone appointed by the Mod Squad. No one other than the Ref. and the 2 debater can post on the thread. Rules regarding civility and backing up your argument with source information are ramped up.

There is a commentary thread for each True Debate thread where anyone other than the 2 debaters can post. At the end of the appointed time, a vote is taken, and the winner receives a title under his or her name.

Like T.O.T., for example, under his name he sports the title “May True Debate Winner”.

There’s been talk f other prizes as well.

 

[Duke]

You forgot the Flying Spaghetti Monster and invisible, intangible, flying Pink Elephants.

Speaking as a Prophet of Pastafarianism, I can safely say that we have proved the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as the one true Creator. It is all detailed in the Gospel. :2razz:


Duke

 

[Jerry]

Speaking as a Prophet of Pastafarianism, I can safely say that we have proved the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as the one true Creator. It is all detailed in the Gospel. :2razz:


Duke

I found it http://www.eat.com/

Sexual practices:

Theme Dinners – have everyone in the family write two themes on pieces of paper, put them in a bowl, and pick a theme for the following night’s dinner. Here are some ideas: Mexican Night, Italian Night, Choose-Your-Own-Pizza-Topping Night, etc. You can even choose a week’s worth of meals the week before to make shopping easier.

Is it a "fetus" or a "person":

Rename a Dish – as you pass around the food, challenge each person in your family to rename a favorite dish—you’ll all remember the funniest names, and laughter is great exercise!

Gay-Marriage:

Mealympics – everyone creates a meal during “Mealympics” week (alone or as a team—one parent can team up with one or more kids, for example). At the end of the week, everyone votes for their favorite meal. Make up a good prize—maybe the winner doesn’t have to work on dinner or dishes for the week!

 

[Duke]

I found it http://www.eat.com/

Sexual practices:


Is it a "fetus" or a "person":


Gay-Marriage:

Well, the main site for Pastafarianism is www.venganza.org, but, you know, that works too. :mrgreen:


Duke

 

[Binyamin]

Thelost1.

The essence of Judaism is that it is premised on the revelation of G-d which is absolute truth. Thus, as an absolute truth, it is not susceptible to reform as a concept. And, of course, there isn't much conservative in conservative judaism.

Anyways, as far I'm aware from reading your posts, reform judaism sort of can define itself. And conservative judaism, being as it was formed as a reaction to reform, is really a oxymoron. There are conservative jews who identify closer to orthodoxy and believe Torah is divine. There are those whose beliefs are closer to reform, but who think that what the actual reform movement does is going too far. So it's pretty hard to define what exactly conservative judaism stands for. In a sentence, it is an attempt to compromise between orthodoxy and reform. For the more orthodox members of the bored you know yiddish, conservative judaism is a nisht a heyn, nisht a her

Anyways, to my knowledge, I believe that conservative and reform both view the Oral Law as a nice historical, culturaly type of thing, which is not really needed anymore.

You do agree, as a Jew, that the premise of Judaism is the devine revalation of G-d?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Speaking as a Prophet of Pastafarianism, I can safely say that we have proved the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as the one true Creator. It is all detailed in the Gospel. :2razz:


Duke

Praise be to pasta!