jallman said:It is not for us to know the mind of God, only to have faith in His love for us. God created this earth and all the beings on it and then he stepped back to allow us full control. That means control of how we treat one another and all the terrible ills we unleash on the planet. A child dying of cancer is no more Gods fault than the polluted water which caused the cancer to form. The hunger of Africa is no more gods fault than the greed of the neighboring country who has food stores for all and then some. But trust me when I say, God will be ready to bring each suffering child to his heart when their time comes.
alphamale said:Come on. God certainly didn't give us "full control". Floods, earthquakes, diseases - man neither created nor has control over. God created human beings and their cells, cells which are intrinsically susceptible to cancer, e.g.
jallman said:and you dont see that these adversities mold us and shape us into something better...something with a greater appreciation for the lives we live? There are evils in the world to be sure, and they are evils god does nothing to stop. But those evils are tests not necessarily of faith, but of our resolve to continue to grow past them...we have control, we have all the power in the world to make life what we want it to be...after all, we were made in God's image.
alphamale said:Was a child who died of leukemia shaped into something better? No - he's dead. Were his parents "shaped"? No, some commit suicide out of grief. Why is all this "shaping" necessary, anyway? If God wants people of good character, why not create them that way to begin with?
MrFungus420 said:I think an even better way to ask this is to ask why a loving and merciful God allows children to be raped.
kal-el said:That's a good question. I'm waiting a good Christian response. The shitty part of that is, say a kid is crippled with cancer his whole life and suffers his whole life. He never heard of Christ or the Judeo-Christian God. So, according to mythology, God's gonna compound his suffering, and he's gonna spend all of eternity in a burning furnace, when this prick "God" is responsible.:lol:
jallman said:Could we please try not to get all christian bashing in here. You have got no clue how twisted the logic was and how stereotypical what you said was. The question is a very good one and deserves a lot of discussion, but please, leave the colorful explitives out of it...this isnt an abortion thread. :mrgreen:
kal-el said:Hey if you cannot take the heat, get the **** out of the kitchen, I have yet to hear a semi-satisfactory answer to this very real question. You're right, it was a very good question, but why should Alphamale only be exposed to the Christian viewpoint, is that fair?
jallman said:but did I make harsh statements about any other belief? Did I have to lash out at anyone to make my point. Did I offer you any venom or call you a sinner or make any kind of assertion, through implication or direct insult, that any other belief was invalid. I was only asking for the same respect, man.
But I see where you seem to want to go with this, and even though I am asking that we dont, I am willing to go there with you if we must. Just promise we will be over it by the time the smallville premier airs. :2wave:
kal-el said:Dude, last time I checked this was not communist China. It is an open forum. I can present my opinions without getting chatsised. I don't think it's right to only expose the author of this thread to just 1 viewpoint.
Ahh, I'm too tired to get into a drawn-out arguement now, maybe tomorrow.:2razz:
jallman said:Thats great and I am chastising you about your opinions. I got no room to chastise. I am just saying I want to hear your opinions and discuss it from both points of view, but I dont want to do it with a bunch "well you're going to hell" and "God is a prick" thrown in there. If that starts now all thats gonna happen is a good discussion is gonna turn into mudslinging contest like the abortion threads do. Plus, I dont want to do that with people, all of whose posts I normally enjoy reading. Do what you like, I got a thick skin, but I just wanted you to be aware that its kind of offensive...more so than if you called me a fag, thats all.
I agree. Its about my bedtime and later we can do this from a fresh start.
kal-el said:Well I apologize if it's offensive, but realistically speaking anyone that is responsible for millions of deaths, orders rapes and killings, I am gonna keep on using select terminology. If an enity has so many faults, I feel rather uncomfortable calling them "God".
Pencil me in.
jallman said:Why does man spit in eachothers face by allowing rapists to go so lightly punished?
MrFungus420 said:That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.
If God is loving and omnipotent, then how can He allow children to be raped?
The very fact that this heinous crime occurs tells me that God is, at best, indifferent to our existence. Or, at least indifferent to the suffering of the child. In either case, definately not a loving God.
Either that, or God is powerless to prevent it. In which case He is not omnipotent.
jallman said:The child who died of leukemia has been made perfect in spirit, brought to the heart of God.
The parents have known the love of a parent and, optimally should know deepest compassion and appreciation for eachother.
If one commits suicide, there is no fault upon God, because suicide is not growth, but immediate termination of the life god gave.
Any way to achieve these ends without leukemia??
Or perhaps a human response to a situation god created by creating humans susceptible to leukemia.
Earth is not suppose to be a utopia. It is wrong to assume the false premis that earth is supose to be perfect to an absolute. Earth is perfect to it's purpose, which is to produce us.alphamale said:
Jerry said:Earth is not suppose to be a utopia. It is wrong to assume the false premis that earth is supose to be perfect to an absolute.
Earth is perfect to it's purpose, which is to produce us.
Each person has a preset purpose.
If a child is suffering from cancer, there is a reason for it. I could only conjecture as to what some such reasons mite be. Perhaps the purpose of that childs life is to help others realize the value of their life, allow others to learn empathy, or overcome some personal spiritual challenge.
God does intervene when intervention is called for.
Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer; and by our own hands, mind you. By suffering we grow.
I just sent this in to the mod team:kal-el said:Geese, 2 in a row. That fundamentalist doughgirl just spewed nonsense worthy of my signature, this is right up there too.
As I've told you elsewhere, since you seek to persecute, to fight, I'll not be responding to your posts.This is not a complaint about a post, per se, but a complaint of being misquoted in a sig. Kal-el has a line of mine in his sig from "Question 4 for Christians" post 22. Kal-el quotes me as saying “Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer”, but the entire quote is “Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer; and by our own hands, mind you. By suffering we grow.”
I do not mind being quoted in a sig, but please have Kal-el either quote me accurately, or not at all.