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Why does God let children die of cancer? If he is all powerful, why won't he intervene?
It is not for us to know the mind of God, only to have faith in His love for us. God created this earth and all the beings on it and then he stepped back to allow us full control. That means control of how we treat one another and all the terrible ills we unleash on the planet. A child dying of cancer is no more Gods fault than the polluted water which caused the cancer to form. The hunger of Africa is no more gods fault than the greed of the neighboring country who has food stores for all and then some. But trust me when I say, God will be ready to bring each suffering child to his heart when their time comes.alphamale said:Why does God let children die of cancer? If he is all powerful, why won't he intervene?
Come on. God certainly didn't give us "full control". Floods, earthquakes, diseases - man neither created nor has control over. God created human beings and their cells, cells which are intrinsically susceptible to cancer, e.g.jallman said:It is not for us to know the mind of God, only to have faith in His love for us. God created this earth and all the beings on it and then he stepped back to allow us full control. That means control of how we treat one another and all the terrible ills we unleash on the planet. A child dying of cancer is no more Gods fault than the polluted water which caused the cancer to form. The hunger of Africa is no more gods fault than the greed of the neighboring country who has food stores for all and then some. But trust me when I say, God will be ready to bring each suffering child to his heart when their time comes.
and you dont see that these adversities mold us and shape us into something better...something with a greater appreciation for the lives we live? There are evils in the world to be sure, and they are evils god does nothing to stop. But those evils are tests not necessarily of faith, but of our resolve to continue to grow past them...we have control, we have all the power in the world to make life what we want it to be...after all, we were made in God's image.alphamale said:Come on. God certainly didn't give us "full control". Floods, earthquakes, diseases - man neither created nor has control over. God created human beings and their cells, cells which are intrinsically susceptible to cancer, e.g.
Was a child who died of leukemia shaped into something better? No - he's dead. Were his parents "shaped"? No, some commit suicide out of grief. Why is all this "shaping" necessary, anyway? If God wants people of good character, why not create them that way to begin with?jallman said:and you dont see that these adversities mold us and shape us into something better...something with a greater appreciation for the lives we live? There are evils in the world to be sure, and they are evils god does nothing to stop. But those evils are tests not necessarily of faith, but of our resolve to continue to grow past them...we have control, we have all the power in the world to make life what we want it to be...after all, we were made in God's image.
The child who died of leukemia has been made perfect in spirit, brought to the heart of God. The parents have known the love of a parent and, optimally should know deepest compassion and appreciation for eachother. If one commits suicide, there is no fault upon God, because suicide is not growth, but immediate termination of the life god gave.alphamale said:Was a child who died of leukemia shaped into something better? No - he's dead. Were his parents "shaped"? No, some commit suicide out of grief. Why is all this "shaping" necessary, anyway? If God wants people of good character, why not create them that way to begin with?
I think an even better way to ask this is to ask why a loving and merciful God allows children to be raped.alphamale said:Why does God let children die of cancer? If he is all powerful, why won't he intervene?
Why does man spit in eachothers face by allowing rapists to go so lightly punished?MrFungus420 said:I think an even better way to ask this is to ask why a loving and merciful God allows children to be raped.
That's a good question. I'm waiting a good Christian response. The shitty part of that is, say a kid is crippled with cancer his whole life and suffers his whole life. He never heard of Christ or the Judeo-Christian God. So, according to mythology, God's gonna compound his suffering, and he's gonna spend all of eternity in a burning furnace, when this prick "God" is responsible.:lol:alphamale said:Why does God let children die of cancer? If he is all powerful, why won't he intervene?
Could we please try not to get all christian bashing in here. You have got no clue how twisted the logic was and how stereotypical what you said was. The question is a very good one and deserves a lot of discussion, but please, leave the colorful explitives out of it...this isnt an abortion thread. :mrgreen:kal-el said:That's a good question. I'm waiting a good Christian response. The shitty part of that is, say a kid is crippled with cancer his whole life and suffers his whole life. He never heard of Christ or the Judeo-Christian God. So, according to mythology, God's gonna compound his suffering, and he's gonna spend all of eternity in a burning furnace, when this prick "God" is responsible.:lol:
Hey if you cannot take the heat, get the **** out of the kitchen, I have yet to hear a semi-satisfactory answer to this very real question. You're right, it was a very good question, but why should Alphamale only be exposed to the Christian viewpoint, is that fair?jallman said:Could we please try not to get all christian bashing in here. You have got no clue how twisted the logic was and how stereotypical what you said was. The question is a very good one and deserves a lot of discussion, but please, leave the colorful explitives out of it...this isnt an abortion thread. :mrgreen:
but did I make harsh statements about any other belief? Did I have to lash out at anyone to make my point. Did I offer you any venom or call you a sinner or make any kind of assertion, through implication or direct insult, that any other belief was invalid. I was only asking for the same respect, man.kal-el said:Hey if you cannot take the heat, get the **** out of the kitchen, I have yet to hear a semi-satisfactory answer to this very real question. You're right, it was a very good question, but why should Alphamale only be exposed to the Christian viewpoint, is that fair?
Dude, last time I checked this was not communist China. It is an open forum. I can present my opinions without getting chatsised. I don't think it's right to only expose the author of this thread to just 1 viewpoint.jallman said:but did I make harsh statements about any other belief? Did I have to lash out at anyone to make my point. Did I offer you any venom or call you a sinner or make any kind of assertion, through implication or direct insult, that any other belief was invalid. I was only asking for the same respect, man.
Ahh, I'm too tired to get into a drawn-out arguement now, maybe tomorrow.:2razz:But I see where you seem to want to go with this, and even though I am asking that we dont, I am willing to go there with you if we must. Just promise we will be over it by the time the smallville premier airs. :2wave:
Thats great and I am chastising you about your opinions. I got no room to chastise. I am just saying I want to hear your opinions and discuss it from both points of view, but I dont want to do it with a bunch "well you're going to hell" and "God is a prick" thrown in there. If that starts now all thats gonna happen is a good discussion is gonna turn into mudslinging contest like the abortion threads do. Plus, I dont want to do that with people, all of whose posts I normally enjoy reading. Do what you like, I got a thick skin, but I just wanted you to be aware that its kind of offensive...more so than if you called me a fag, thats all.kal-el said:Dude, last time I checked this was not communist China. It is an open forum. I can present my opinions without getting chatsised. I don't think it's right to only expose the author of this thread to just 1 viewpoint.
I agree. Its about my bedtime and later we can do this from a fresh start.Ahh, I'm too tired to get into a drawn-out arguement now, maybe tomorrow.:2razz:
Well I apologize if it's offensive, but realistically speaking anyone that is responsible for millions of deaths, orders rapes and killings, I am gonna keep on using select terminology. If an enity has so many faults, I feel rather uncomfortable calling them "God".jallman said:Thats great and I am chastising you about your opinions. I got no room to chastise. I am just saying I want to hear your opinions and discuss it from both points of view, but I dont want to do it with a bunch "well you're going to hell" and "God is a prick" thrown in there. If that starts now all thats gonna happen is a good discussion is gonna turn into mudslinging contest like the abortion threads do. Plus, I dont want to do that with people, all of whose posts I normally enjoy reading. Do what you like, I got a thick skin, but I just wanted you to be aware that its kind of offensive...more so than if you called me a fag, thats all.
Pencil me in.I agree. Its about my bedtime and later we can do this from a fresh start.
Okay, I can live with that...but I'm not asking you to call him God for the record. And lets just put something to rest...I'm not trying to convert anyone either...I just want to discuss these questions and feel like I am not being attacked when I offer my point of view. You are gonna find that a lot of other christians are gonna probably give me hell too, but they are normally the ones that we probably mutually despise.kal-el said:Well I apologize if it's offensive, but realistically speaking anyone that is responsible for millions of deaths, orders rapes and killings, I am gonna keep on using select terminology. If an enity has so many faults, I feel rather uncomfortable calling them "God".
Already done. :2wave:Pencil me in.
That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.jallman said:Why does man spit in eachothers face by allowing rapists to go so lightly punished?
Yet god prescribes a remedy for rapists and man chooses not to implement it...who's fault is it really?MrFungus420 said:That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.
If God is loving and omnipotent, then how can He allow children to be raped?
The very fact that this heinous crime occurs tells me that God is, at best, indifferent to our existence. Or, at least indifferent to the suffering of the child. In either case, definately not a loving God.
Either that, or God is powerless to prevent it. In which case He is not omnipotent.
Whaaaatttttttt????????jallman said:The child who died of leukemia has been made perfect in spirit, brought to the heart of God.
Any way to achieve these ends without leukemia??The parents have known the love of a parent and, optimally should know deepest compassion and appreciation for eachother.
Or perhaps a human response to a situation god created by creating humans susceptible to leukemia.If one commits suicide, there is no fault upon God, because suicide is not growth, but immediate termination of the life god gave.
The child who died of leukemia has been made perfect in spirit, brought to the heart of God.alphamale said:Whaaaatttttttt????????
Obviously, as not everyone dies of leukemia in childhood and heaven's gates are open for all.Any way to achieve these ends without leukemia??
Or perhaps a thankless denial of all the gifts that life has to offer in other ways.Or perhaps a human response to a situation god created by creating humans susceptible to leukemia.
Earth is not suppose to be a utopia. It is wrong to assume the false premis that earth is supose to be perfect to an absolute. Earth is perfect to it's purpose, which is to produce us.alphamale said:Why does God let children die of cancer? If he is all powerful, why won't he intervene?
Well in that case, God cannot be omnibenevolent. And a perfect being cannot produce anything imperfect.Jerry said:Earth is not suppose to be a utopia. It is wrong to assume the false premis that earth is supose to be perfect to an absolute.
To produce us? Please explain.Earth is perfect to it's purpose, which is to produce us.
Then we do not have free will. If God's purpose is to make Jim an artist, and he is a mechanic, and he doesn't want to be an artist, God must infringe on his free will to make him an artist.Each person has a preset purpose.
Or, maybe there's perfect medical explanation for why they are suffering. Why would a loving God, torture to death 1 child, to help others realize value? Surely an omnipotent God can swoop down from the sky fortress and explain to them their value, no need for torment or death.If a child is suffering from cancer, there is a reason for it. I could only conjecture as to what some such reasons mite be. Perhaps the purpose of that childs life is to help others realize the value of their life, allow others to learn empathy, or overcome some personal spiritual challenge.
Name 1 time when God intervened. O, and provide various un-biased links supporting this manifesto.God does intervene when intervention is called for.
Geese, 2 in a row. That fundamentalist doughgirl just spewed nonsense worthy of my signature, this is right up there too.Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer; and by our own hands, mind you. By suffering we grow.
I just sent this in to the mod team:kal-el said:Geese, 2 in a row. That fundamentalist doughgirl just spewed nonsense worthy of my signature, this is right up there too.
As I've told you elsewhere, since you seek to persecute, to fight, I'll not be responding to your posts.This is not a complaint about a post, per se, but a complaint of being misquoted in a sig. Kal-el has a line of mine in his sig from "Question 4 for Christians" post 22. Kal-el quotes me as saying “Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer”, but the entire quote is “Our purpose on this earth is not to live in a utopia, but to suffer; and by our own hands, mind you. By suffering we grow.”
I do not mind being quoted in a sig, but please have Kal-el either quote me accurately, or not at all.
Thanks.