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Queens imam and his assistant shot to death by gunman--local Muslims blame Trump

Tigerace117 said:
Considering some of those on this website alone who support him and their view of Muslims.....

I wouldn't say so, no.
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No, the fact that some people view Islam for what it is, is not in anyway related to a criminal act committed against a moslem, that's a silly (and in a free society, inappropriate) accusation.
 
Queens imam, assistant fatally shot after leaving mosque - NY Daily News

Cops and witnesses described the shooter as tall and Hispanic, carrying a large handgun, and wearing a dark blue shirt and short pants.
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Hispanic Trump supporter? Sounds about as likely as a Muslim Zionist.
I trust he was a local-born native or naturalized citizen, because otherwise we might have to bury this story, if it turns out he was here illegally.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, the fact that some people view Islam for what it is, is not in anyway related to a criminal act committed against a moslem, that's a silly (and in a free society, inappropriate) accusation.
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Ah, so your another one of those "Islam is a death cult, the terrorists are the ones truly following the religion, put 'em all in camps, blah blah blah" folks?
 
sanman said:
Queens imam, assistant fatally shot after leaving mosque - NY Daily News



Hispanic Trump supporter? Sounds about as likely as a Muslim Zionist.
I trust he was a local-born native or naturalized citizen, because otherwise we might have to bury this story, if it turns out he was here illegally.
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I'll bet good money right now that when the dust settles this proves to be an Islamic homosexual love triangle gone bad. Hell hath no fury like a a gay camel roper scorned.
 
We have so many killers on our streets it is hard to pick which one could have done this. You got your copycats, you got your religious fanatics, you got your political fanatics and just plain nuttier than a fruit cake morons. You also have your pure evil individuals whose usual actions are so brutal they are beyond human comprehension.

Before we hit November I predict there will be at least one assassination attempt on either Trump or Clinton. I think the odds are 50-50 which one .
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, so your another one of those "Islam is a death cult, the terrorists are the ones truly following the religion, put 'em all in camps, blah blah blah" folks?
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1) you clearly have a strawman view of this.

2) Regardless of who is "truly following the religion" the terrorist clearly believe they are and much of the moslem world sympathizes.

3) No has seriously proposed interning the whole of the moslem population.
 
Crosscheck said:
We have so many killers on our streets it is hard to pick which one could have done this. You got your copycats, you got your religious fanatics, you got your political fanatics and just plain nuttier than a fruit cake morons. You also have your pure evil individuals whose usual actions are so brutal they are beyond human comprehension.

Before we hit November I predict there will be at least one assassination attempt on either Trump or Clinton. I think the odds are 50-50 which one .
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Only one candidate has declared open season on the other however...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
1) you clearly have a strawman view of this.

2) Regardless of who is "truly following the religion" the terrorist clearly believe they are and much of the moslem world sympathizes.

3) No has seriously proposed interning the whole of the moslem population.
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All three of those are things actual people on this website have stated/ suggested at one point or another. If you do a little digging you can probably find the threads yourself.

Strawman my ass :roll:

What the terrorists think is pretty much irrelevant. The terrorists are fanatically loony tunes homicidal nutjobs.
 
Tigerace117 said:
All three of those are things actual people on this website have stated/ suggested at one point or another. If you do a little digging you can probably find the threads yourself.
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I can find a lot of stuff on the internet.

Strawman my ass :roll:
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yes you are pulling strawman theories out of your ass.

What the terrorists think is pretty much irrelevant. The terrorists are fanatically loony tunes homicidal nutjobs.
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uhhh, no it's not.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I can find a lot of stuff on the internet.


yes you are pulling strawman theories out of your ass.


uhhh, no it's not.
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It's literally on this website. You don't have to go all that far. It's not a strawman either when it's literally the position some posters on here advocate.

I'm sure Hitler and his flunkies thought they were doing a good thing. Does that mean that they were right? :roll:
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They blame Donald Trump? that is really an innappropriate accusation.
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Before Trump they would have blamed Bush or Glenn Beck.

Trump's just the new whipping boy for situations like this.
 
Tigerace117 said:
It's literally on this website. You don't have to go all that far. It's not a strawman either when it's literally the position some posters on here advocate.
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people have advocated shooting Moslems just for being Moslems on this site?

I'm sure Hitler and his flunkies thought they were doing a good thing. Does that mean that they were right? :roll:
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Now see what Hitler thought actually is irrelevant to this discussion, as Moslem terrorists are not committing violence to forward the National Socialist Party of Germany
 
The fact that the first thing these terrorist sympathizers do is blame Trump makes me wish their citizenship can be revoked and then have them shipped out to whatever country will take them.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Before Trump they would have blamed Bush or Glenn Beck.

Trump's just the new whipping boy for situations like this.
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Hey, Trump's blamed Obama for inflaming anti-cop sentiment. All's fair in love and politics. But it seems a bit premature to blame Trump before we've identified the assailant or his motive. He was described as being "tall and Hispanic." I don't think too many Hispanics get their marching orders from Trump. Who knows? Maybe the assassin's a militant from Bangladesh who didn't like the Imam because he was supposedly all for peace and love. That's just as plausible. I'd be curious to know why the Imam left Bangladesh and whether he had any political enemies. There's a lot of turmoil in that country at the moment.
 
Yes, it can of course be hard to blame Trump for a single violent attack especially since the fact is not yet in. Still the scary part is that Trump have no interest in taming the fires his We Americans against Them Muslims rhetoric creates.

For example, he attacked the Khan family and made innuendos about that the mother of the fallen soldiers wasn’t allowed to talk in public. Instead of both explaining his position and acknowledge the fact that Muslims sacrifice their lives for USA.

Also there are no need for Trump to falsely claims that he watched on television that thousands of Muslims in New Jersey was cheering then World Trade Center’s came tumbling down if his goal isn’t to install fear and hatred amongst his followers.

Fact-checking Trump's claim that thousands in New Jersey cheered when World Trade Center tumbled | PolitiFact

Also there are no need of coming with totally crazy and unrealistic ideas like for example banning one billion people from entering the USA. Including Jordanian fighting pilots that bombed ISIS, Malala Yousafzai, Nobel prize winner and brave young woman that fought the Taliban and Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...l-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting

The counter claim from Trump supporters is that he only wants to keep Americans safe, but why does he not then propose breath alcohol ignition interlock device in every car? Because a lot more people are killed from drunk driving in western countries every year than the numbers of people that have been killed by Muslim terrorists in western countries over the last couple of decades.

Also if Donald Trump truly believe in his own claims about the danger of Muslim terrorism why his then willing to do business in Saudi Arabia? Not only one of the world’s most brutal and fundamentalist countries but also one of the world’s biggest sponsors of fundamentalism and terrorism and also the home of most of the 9/11 terrorists.

EXCLUSIVE: Trump eyes UAE, KSA and Qatar hotels | HotelierMiddleEast.com

Donald Trump still does business in Saudi Arabia, despite blaming the country for 9/11
 
I read this and was very confused, " but the Queen is a protestant"
 
EMNofSeattle said:
people have advocated shooting Moslems just for being Moslems on this site?


Now see what Hitler thought actually is irrelevant to this discussion, as Moslem terrorists are not committing violence to forward the National Socialist Party of Germany
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People have advocated placing Muslims in camps; called Islam a "death cult"; and so on and so forth. That's very extreme rhetoric. If one is influenced by that kind of stuff it's unsuprising that one might try to take things into their own hands.
 
apdst said:
The blame game is all the libbos have.
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It's working on other daffy #neverTrumpers and Conservative types. Trump hasn't lost his polling lead for what he's said or did, he's lost his polling lead because more GOPers are becoming convinced into becoming #neverTrump types.
 
Tigerace117 said:
People have advocated placing Muslims in camps; called Islam a "death cult"; and so on and so forth. That's very extreme rhetoric. If one is influenced by that kind of stuff it's unsuprising that one might try to take things into their own hands.
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Yet you have no evidence that this was the case, just your own political hope that it is.
 
Fletch said:
Yet you have no evidence that this was the case, just your own political hope that it is.
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Well we know it was not a robbery.
This was a targeted killing.
Both shot at close range in the back of the head.
The Police do have surveillance video showing the attacker trailing them.
Wonder why they cannot pull p a photo from the video??

New York police hunt for gunman in Muslim cleric's killing | Reuters

Police released a sketch of a male suspect with dark hair, a beard and glasses. Police described him as having a medium complexion. He appeared to be in his 30s or 40s.

Witnesses told police they saw the assailant, dressed in a dark shirt and blue shorts, fleeing with a gun in his hand, police said. Surveillance footage showed the suspect tailing the victims.
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Fletch said:
Yet you have no evidence that this was the case, just your own political hope that it is.
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"My own political hope"?

Recognizing that when one uses rhetoric of the sort Donald Trump and especially his followers have been using about Muslims one will quickly reach the point where it's not just rhetoric being directed towards the group isn't a political hope at all.

It's just common sense.
 
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