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Putin's own Hitler Jugend

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A threat is not the same as systematically rounding up and murdering millions of people.

And, by that standard, the US is also “literally Hitler” because of all the nukes we’ve got pointed at China.

Seriously, the straws people are willingly to grasp at to try and make this silly equivalence not flop are absurd.
So you are asserting that Putin is not like Hilter I suppose, how ignorant.
 
So you are asserting that Putin is not like Hilter I suppose, how ignorant.

Mainly because he isn’t. He’s a run of the mill dictator doing run of the mill dictator things. Unless you think every dictator is akin to Hitler, the comparison is laughable.

Seriously, Hitler was the result of very specific phenomena in Germany itself— a perfect storm of factors enabling his movement’s rise to power in the first place. Declaring that literally any world leader we don’t like is akin to Hitler is not only inaccurate, it also prevents serious analysis of those factors.
 
there you go folks. never forget.

Are you denying that the Azov “Regiment” are Nazis?

Personally speaking I certainly won’t forget the willingness of posters on this board to try and brush them under the rug, no.
 
Are you denying that the Azov “Regiment” are Nazis?

Personally speaking I certainly won’t forget the willingness of posters on this board to try and brush them under the rug, no.
tell the truth. you lay on Fox News, right?
 

Another dodge.

I’ll repeat.....

are you denying that the Azov “Regiment” are Nazis?

Oh, and by the way, the actual evidence shows that those ghosts are far from banished.

 
Another dodge.

I’ll repeat.....

are you denying that the Azov “Regiment” are Nazis?

Oh, and by the way, the actual evidence shows that those ghosts are far from banished.

you've been totally suckered...


 
you've been totally suckered...



Oh, so you ARE denying that the Azov Regiment are Nazis.

Gee, despite the fact that

“ The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia,[38] with connections to neo-Nazism and members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia, and expressing neo-Nazi views.[88][16] The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel,[89][90] a German heraldic charge inspired by historic wolf traps adopted by the Nazi Party, and the Black Sun,[15][91][92] both of which remain two popular neo-Nazi symbols.[14][15][16] Azov soldiers have been observed wearing Nazi-associated symbols on their uniforms.[93] In 2014, the German ZDF television network showed images of Azov fighters wearing helmets with swastika symbols and "the SS runes of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps".[94] In 2015, Marcin Ogdowski, a Polish war correspondent, gained access to one of Azov's bases located in the former holiday resort Majak; Azov fighters showed to him Nazi tattoos as well as Nazi emblems on their uniforms.[95]

Azov's founding member Andriy Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements[when?] about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology traced by political scientist Richard Sakwa to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[96] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has commented on the founder's origins as Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[97]

Shaun Walker wrote in The Guardian that "many of [Azov's] members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials", citing swastika tattoos among the fighters and one who claimed to be a "national socialist".[16] According to The Daily Beast, some of the group's members are "neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and avowed anti-Semites",[61] and "numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias drawn on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations."[98]“

Lev Golinkin wrote in The Nation that "Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces."[99] Michael Colborne of Foreign Policy called it "a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement" with "global ambitions", citing similarities between the group's ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[62]”


But then again, given literal Nazis a pass in the name of “but Russia” is nothing new.
 
Oh, so you ARE denying that the Azov Regiment are Nazis.

Gee, despite the fact that

“ The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia,[38] with connections to neo-Nazism and members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia, and expressing neo-Nazi views.[88][16] The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel,[89][90] a German heraldic charge inspired by historic wolf traps adopted by the Nazi Party, and the Black Sun,[15][91][92] both of which remain two popular neo-Nazi symbols.[14][15][16] Azov soldiers have been observed wearing Nazi-associated symbols on their uniforms.[93] In 2014, the German ZDF television network showed images of Azov fighters wearing helmets with swastika symbols and "the SS runes of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps".[94] In 2015, Marcin Ogdowski, a Polish war correspondent, gained access to one of Azov's bases located in the former holiday resort Majak; Azov fighters showed to him Nazi tattoos as well as Nazi emblems on their uniforms.[95]

Azov's founding member Andriy Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements[when?] about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology traced by political scientist Richard Sakwa to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[96] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has commented on the founder's origins as Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[97]

Shaun Walker wrote in The Guardian that "many of [Azov's] members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials", citing swastika tattoos among the fighters and one who claimed to be a "national socialist".[16] According to The Daily Beast, some of the group's members are "neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and avowed anti-Semites",[61] and "numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias drawn on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations."[98]“

Lev Golinkin wrote in The Nation that "Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces."[99] Michael Colborne of Foreign Policy called it "a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement" with "global ambitions", citing similarities between the group's ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[62]”

you've been had...


"But historians tell TIME that Putin is misusing the term “denazify,” pointing out that denazification refers to a particular moment in time in the post-war era, and that Putin’s use of the term is propaganda aimed at his fears about the current democratic government in the Ukraine, and is disconnected from the history around the Nazi regime of the 1930s and 1940s.

“There’s a very specific historical meaning [to denazification], which is the process undergone in Germany after the Second World War,” says Timothy Snyder, an expert on Ukraine and author of The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America. “In West Germany, there was a certain amount of attention paid to high Nazi officials, by the Americans, the other occupying powers, and an attempt to remove them from public life…Using it, as Mr. Putin does, out of context, is an attempt to transform the country and the people he’s talking about, into Nazi Germany.”
 
you've been had...


"But historians tell TIME that Putin is misusing the term “denazify,” pointing out that denazification refers to a particular moment in time in the post-war era, and that Putin’s use of the term is propaganda aimed at his fears about the current democratic government in the Ukraine, and is disconnected from the history around the Nazi regime of the 1930s and 1940s.

“There’s a very specific historical meaning [to denazification], which is the process undergone in Germany after the Second World War,” says Timothy Snyder, an expert on Ukraine and author of The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America. “In West Germany, there was a certain amount of attention paid to high Nazi officials, by the Americans, the other occupying powers, and an attempt to remove them from public life…Using it, as Mr. Putin does, out of context, is an attempt to transform the country and the people he’s talking about, into Nazi Germany.”

Lol yep, in reality much of denazification wound up being a joke because the Western Allies decided they needed folks like Reinhard Gehlen


And Hans Speidel


to defend against....you guessed it.....Russia.

None of which changes the fact that Ukraine literally operates a state sponsored Neo Nazi organization.
 
Mainly because he isn’t. He’s a run of the mill dictator doing run of the mill dictator things. Unless you think every dictator is akin to Hitler, the comparison is laughable.

Seriously, Hitler was the result of very specific phenomena in Germany itself— a perfect storm of factors enabling his movement’s rise to power in the first place. Declaring that literally any world leader we don’t like is akin to Hitler is not only inaccurate, it also prevents serious analysis of those factors.




Excellent analysis
 
Mainly because he isn’t. He’s a run of the mill dictator doing run of the mill dictator things. Unless you think every dictator is akin to Hitler, the comparison is laughable.

Seriously, Hitler was the result of very specific phenomena in Germany itself— a perfect storm of factors enabling his movement’s rise to power in the first place. Declaring that literally any world leader we don’t like is akin to Hitler is not only inaccurate, it also prevents serious analysis of those factors.
No one is claiming that Putin and Hitler are twins, FFS don't be so ignorant. Something does not have to exactly the same to be like each other.
 
No one is claiming that Putin and Hitler are twins, FFS don't be so ignorant. Something does not have to exactly the same to be like each other.

Except he isn’t “like” Hitler, as I already pointed out. He’s a run of the mill dictator doing run of the mill dictator things.
 
Nope. Duh.

But I’m also not willing to engage in idiotic hysterics or cheerlead for a state sponsored Neo Nazi group.

State sponsored neo-Nazi group blah blah blah. You still haven’t answered as to the reason that Putin gave for the invasion. In regards to Putin propaganda, you and others like you are what the Communists used to call “useful fools”, fellow travelers without even knowing it.
 
Hitler wanted to restore more than just the German Empire. If he was prepared to settle for even something close to pre WWI Imperial Germany, there's a slim chance he may just have pulled it off. At the very least he would not have taken on the Soviet Union. The fact of the matter is Hitler wanted way more than what others considered even a generous definition of the earlier German Empire. And it was that excessive greed, not just Imperial ambitions, that got the rest of Europe on his throat.






Except it is the Russian contention that it is Nato expansionism they object to.







The bear has always never been good at blitz. The bear is more a wrestler than a swashbuckler

Russian contention blah blah blah. See the thread on why Eastern European countries rushed to join NATO.
 
Are you denying that the Azov “Regiment” are Nazis?

Personally speaking I certainly won’t forget the willingness of posters on this board to try and brush them under the rug, no.

Blah blah blah. Now many times are you gong to plow this same field.
 
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