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Putin's Op-Ed

Can you imagine English speaking people around the World hearing Ted Cruz today? And I quote," This Country needs 100 Jesse helms in the Senate". I know you don't like me being too political, but Dems need to include him in every political ad they run for 2014. And Ron Paul yesterday is beyond the pale.

The freaks that constitute the Tea Party Occupation Forces in Congress are the best source of campaign sound bites the Democrats could possible desire.
 
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You wont hear me complain about that now. They should stop acting like Republicans and actually think.....rather than acting oh so touch feely and emotional like all liberals and progressives do. Maybe they should quit looking at pictures when reading the reports. :lol:


Democrats Face Syria Strike Divide


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President Barack Obama's pursuit of a military strike in Syria has put congressional Democrats and party leaders around the country in a tough spot.

Breaking from Democrats' long history of being the party typically opposed to military conflict, Obama is pushing for a limited military strike in Syria in response to President Bashar Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have rallied behind him.

But some liberal and moderate Democrats, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan fresh in their minds, have begun joining dozens of conservative Republicans registering their opposition. And many rank-and-file Democrats are undecided on whether to support a congressional resolution for military action, questioning whether it would turn the tide in a bloody civil war, whether it's in the U.S. national interest and whether it would prompt Assad to retaliate with more chemical weapons.

In the Senate, Democrats Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Tom Udall of New Mexico opposed the resolution to authorize a strike when it was up for a committee vote while recently elected Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey, who succeeded Secretary of State John Kerry, voted present. West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, one of the party's most moderate members, said he would oppose the resolution. More than a dozen Democratic senators are supporting it.

Liberal activists are planning candlelight vigils across the country on Monday night to urge members of Congress to oppose the resolution, and they suggest those who support military action risk political punishment in the future.

"Everyone who positions themselves as a progressive needs to think very hard about what their vote will mean down the road," said Anna Galland, executive director of MoveOn.org.

At the same time, a large delegation of members representing the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobbying group with strong ties to congressional Democrats, plans to press lawmakers on Capitol Hill next week to approve the resolution.....snip~

Democrats Face Syria Strike Divide

"Oh" and don't you think that should Start from the Head on Down? :mrgreen:

You're a bit fixated on this. '

Meanwhile Putin's banal statements seem to have caused an outbreak of Cold Warriorism in the GOP. What else do conservatives have besides the paranoid past and xenophobia?
 
You're a bit fixated on this. '

Meanwhile Putin's banal statements seem to have caused an outbreak of Cold Warriorism in the GOP. What else do conservatives have besides the paranoid past and xenophobia?

Well talk to your Liberal/ Progressive NY Times Media Source for allowing him to diss the Country. Looks like its time for those on the Left to start cleaning up their own House and Dirt.
 
He doesn't know how to admit John McCain is right and was the first Republican with any guts to trash PUTIN.
You're a bit fixated on this. '

Meanwhile Putin's banal statements seem to have caused an outbreak of Cold Warriorism in the GOP. What else do conservatives have besides the paranoid past and xenophobia?
 
He doesn't know how to admit John McCain is right and was the first Republican with any guts to trash PUTIN.

Johnny Quest wasn't Right on Striking Syria Never was.....So trying to deflect by going after the bad guy who all knows is the bad guy. Isn't saying much. He just doesn't want the Focus on him for being wrong and backing the Neo Cons with Syria and their play towards Iran.

Kinda like when Johnny was taking pictures with the Syrian Rebel/Terrorists......the one he said he knew. But didn't know they were AQ. You know the ones that were wearing the T Shirts that Said Peace! :roll:

That's despite your knowledge of the trivial. ;)
 
He doesn't know how to admit John McCain is right and was the first Republican with any guts to trash PUTIN.

Putin is an almost comical character, who would be more funny if he didn't head one of the largest economies in the world. Fortunately, the Russian military is so degraded it really can't do anything in Syria but sell arms and cross its fingers.

This is the guy who claims to have found archeological treasures under the sea the first time he scuba dived. And he lead a flock of red neck cranes to safe nesting grounds with a glider shaped like a bird.

Honestly, why would American politicians even respond to his bland opinions about American exceptionalism, which are probably true if utterly innocuous. It makes us look like an insecure third rate power, which I take it is the ultimate vision the Tea Party has for the US.
 
You're a bit fixated on this. '

Meanwhile Putin's banal statements seem to have caused an outbreak of Cold Warriorism in the GOP. What else do conservatives have besides the paranoid past and xenophobia?

I didn't know Bob Menendez was a Republican. Personally,I agree with Vlad. We are nothing exceptional,anymore. As for the Cold War,in this case Obama was Krushchev and Putin JFK,ala the Cuban missile crisis. It was your president who pushed war.
 
Putin is an almost comical character, who would be more funny if he didn't head one of the largest economies in the world. Fortunately, the Russian military is so degraded it really can't do anything in Syria but sell arms and cross its fingers.

This is the guy who claims to have found archeological treasures under the sea the first time he scuba dived. And he lead a flock of red neck cranes to safe nesting grounds with a glider shaped like a bird.

Honestly, why would American politicians even respond to his bland opinions about American exceptionalism, which are probably true if utterly innocuous. It makes us look like an insecure third rate power, which I take it is the ultimate vision the Tea Party has for the US.

Much of this post is spot on truth...except your (predictable) denigrating jab at the Tea Party. You DO realize that the impetus that started this brouhaha making 'us look like an insecure third rate power' was an unfulfilled 'red line' sanction which was NOT made by anyone in the Tea Party...but by who?

go on you can say it...:lamo
 
Exactly. Dems need to stop helping Republicans by trying to restore them to what was so good about them yesteryear.
Dems need to realize that PUTIN the enemy overseas has been embraced by this loyal opposition.
Time to play hardball like they do and more.
The freaks that constitute the Tea Party Occupation Forces in Congress are the best source of campaign sound bites the Democrats could possible desire.
 
I like when you use your own words. It shows what you know.
Johnny Quest wasn't Right on Striking Syria Never was.....So trying to deflect by going after the bad guy who all knows is the bad guy. Isn't saying much. He just doesn't want the Focus on him for being wrong and backing the Neo Cons with Syria and their play towards Iran.

Kinda like when Johnny was taking pictures with the Syrian Rebel/Terrorists......the one he said he knew. But didn't know they were AQ. You know the ones that were wearing the T Shirts that Said Peace! :roll:

That's despite your knowledge of the trivial. ;)
 
I didn't know Bob Menendez was a Republican. Personally,I agree with Vlad. We are nothing exceptional,anymore. As for the Cold War,in this case Obama was Krushchev and Putin JFK,ala the Cuban missile crisis. It was your president who pushed war.

Apparently you didn't know that Boehner was one also. But it never ceases to surprise me how little conservatives know about their own leaders.

As to your dishonest cynicism, it's a perfect contretemps to the comedy of conservatives feeling threatened by Putin's banalities. Conservatives have to feel threatened by something or they wouldn't be true conservatives.
 
Putin is an almost comical character, who would be more funny if he didn't head one of the largest economies in the world. Fortunately, the Russian military is so degraded it really can't do anything in Syria but sell arms and cross its fingers.
The GOP has fallen in love with him.
The GOP must now be looking the other way as PUTIN continues to arm Terrorist Nations.
They only support Israel when it's politically expedient.
And then there is Ron Paul saying the USA triggered 9/11 yesterday.
 
Apparently you didn't know that Boehner was one also. But it never ceases to surprise me how little conservatives know about their own leaders.

McConnell will eventually pay for his fecklessness before becoming a NO. He's another one hiding behind his wife's skirt.
 
Putin's NYT Op-Ed came under fire by elected officials, including the White House as well as the media. However, few highlight the tremendous advance this document represents. In this document Putin endorses a Christian moral standard and rule of law. Never-mind Putin has never adhered to either. This public pronouncement may be used in the future to hold Putin to account.

The White House should draw Putin into backing up and expounding these western principles, not by criticizing, but rather by gently taunting and cajoling Putin to defend his Op-Ed. This incredible opportunity should not be wasted on petty bickering. The more Putin defends Christian values, democratic principles and the rule of law, the better for us and for the world.

Putin made only one substantive point, that there was no legal basis for attacking Syria. Judge Napolitano makes the same point, but both miss the fact that Syria's failure to sign the Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty places Syria outside the protection of law. When every civilized country in the world but a handful sign a (all signatories treated equally) non-aggression treaty like CWBT, non-signatories place themselves in a category of increased scrutiny and potential peril. Putin and Napolitano should be corrected on this point, it is a significant moral high-ground issue and needs to be addressed.

American exceptionalism is puffery and self-promotion and the government should stop using the term. Especially Democrats who continuously strive to convert America into a French-European style country. Adopt Teddy Roosevelt's "talk softly and carry a big stick." To the rest of the world "American exceptionalism" is nothing more than bragging and nobody likes a braggart. Used internally as reason America should show courage, independence or individual liberty, it might be fine. The term "American exceptionalism" should never be used to lecture the world, though.

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It's worth a try. But i think Putin was planting a dig at the president and as far as Christian values, they are/were just words.
 
The GOP has fallen in love with him.
The GOP must now be looking the other way as PUTIN continues to arm Terrorist Nations.
They only support Israel when it's politically expedient.
And then there is Ron Paul saying the USA triggered 9/11 yesterday.

No matter how ridiculous a comment by Ron Paul is, it doesn't surprise me, since it comes from Ron Paul.
 
Much of this post is spot on truth...except your (predictable) denigrating jab at the Tea Party. You DO realize that the impetus that started this brouhaha making 'us look like an insecure third rate power' was an unfulfilled 'red line' sanction which was NOT made by anyone in the Tea Party...but by who?

go on you can say it...

God I love it when the rightwing noise machine gets all bent out of shape about something Obama says, and then creates an entire false narrative about it. I guess you got the memo. Like clockwork.
 
I like when you use your own words. It shows what you know.

I don't mind the tactic.....but it does depend on whether one comes from a sheltered backyard or not. ;)
 
I'm having trouble with these...?

The GOP has fallen in love with him.
Given the reaction this administration had after Putin suggested the CW 'roundup' it would appear they are the ones who have 'fallen in love with him' is it gives them an 'out' on their 'red line' gaff...?

The GOP must now be looking the other way as PUTIN continues to arm Terrorist Nations.
What EXACTLY can the GOP do about these actions? It seems that the POTUS typically leads national actions regarding the arming of Terrorist Nations. What has this one done specifically about this arming?

They only support Israel when it's politically expedient.
What did the President say about Israeli support Tuesday night? Something like 'Israel can take care of themselves'. Would you consider this a 'politically expedient' position?
And then there is Ron Paul saying the USA triggered 9/11 yesterday.
Somehow I cannot see the connection of 'Ron Paul saying the USA triggered 9/11 yesterday' to 'Putin's Op-Ed'(the thread subject)...?

Can you please clear up the ambiguity?...thx
 
God I love it when the rightwing noise machine gets all bent out of shape about something Obama says, and then creates an entire false narrative about it. I guess you got the memo. Like clockwork.

Confused...wasn't it YOU who created the false narrative about this somehow being the fault of the Tea Party? Or is this just another 'classic' example of your leftwing diversion meme? If not please point out the 'false narrative' you feel I am advancing...thx

ps: considering your comment should we just disregard 'something Obama says'?
 
Apparently you didn't know that Boehner was one also. But it never ceases to surprise me how little conservatives know about their own leaders.

As to your dishonest cynicism, it's a perfect contretemps to the comedy of conservatives feeling threatened by Putin's banalities. Conservatives have to feel threatened by something or they wouldn't be true conservatives.

You are the dishonest and cynical one. Obama is the COMMANDER In CHIEF. I understand that like all Dems you like to not accept responsibility. Too bad though that in the Foreign Relations committee 5 of the 7 no votes were Republicans,while only 2 of the 10 yeas were. Accept some responsibility.
 
The GOP has fallen in love with him.
The GOP must now be looking the other way as PUTIN continues to arm Terrorist Nations.
They only support Israel when it's politically expedient.
And then there is Ron Paul saying the USA triggered 9/11 yesterday.

It was Obama that said Russian relations would be more "flexible"after the elections.
It was your side that made fun of Romney for saying Russia was a strategic threat.
It is your side that demanded Netanyahu give away terrorists for a fake "peace"process.
 
Too bad you believe in "sides" in foreign relations.
Repubs were never like this before Goldwater defeated Rockefeller. That was 1964.
Why the infatuation of the GOP with "your boy PUKIN" who supports terrorist Nations?
It was Obama that said Russian relations would be more "flexible"after the elections.
It was your side that made fun of Romney for saying Russia was a strategic threat.
It is your side that demanded Netanyahu give away terrorists for a fake "peace"process.
 
Too bad you believe in "sides" in foreign relations.
Repubs were never like this before Goldwater defeated Rockefeller. That was 1964.
Why the infatuation of the GOP with "your boy PUKIN" who supports terrorist Nations?

Obama pressed the reset button I thought.
Why is Obama willing to help out Al Quaeda in Syria?
 
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