Putin's nukes

[bongsaway]

I am rather surprised so few see Russia using nukes as a very real possibility.

You really think he will simply put his tail between his legs and take his troops home?

Not happening folks. Simply not happening.

What do you think will happen if putin pops off a nuke? Do you think the u.s. and the world will not respond?

 

[noonereal]

What do you think will happen if putin pops off a nuke? Do you think the u.s. and the world will not respond?

Of course their will be a response, hello!
The conversation revolves around how.

Lots of tough guy cowboy posts here, I am suggesting a reasoned tempered debate.

 

[reinaert]

Of course their will be a response, hello!
The conversation revolves around how.

Lots of tough guy cowboy posts here, I am suggesting a reasoned tempered debate.

If Putin gets anything he wants - any one thing at all - he and his successor(s) will go after Moldova, or Georgia. Or maybe even take that bit of Finland the other side of Ladoga that Russia insists belongs 'in' Karelia.

 

[Onions]

I am weak thinking an eye for an eye makes the world blind

I am weak believing war isn't strength

I am weak knowing humanity can be better

I stand by three facts. You can call me weak, I don't care

 

[reinaert]

I am weak thinking an eye for an eye makes the world blind

I am weak believing war isn't strength

I am weak knowing humanity can be better

I stand by three facts. You can call me weak, I don't care

Weak? No. Just not timely.

 

[Juin]

Why does anyone assume Russian nukes would be any more effective than the rest of the Russian military? They're liable to nuke themselves.

You should take nukes more seriously.

 

[Antiwar]

Why does anyone assume Russian nukes would be any more effective than the rest of the Russian military? They're liable to nuke themselves.
Besides, anyone who supports their own country maintaining a nuclear arsenal has no business complaining about Putin threatening to use his. Unless they think it makes sense to have a weapon and declare that nobody else is allowed to use one.

You should take nukes more seriously.

You left out the important part. Yes, his first statement is very ______. But his second statement is very important.

 

[Antiwar]

Weak? No. Just not timely.

Thank goodness that your neoconservative warmongering is "timely."

 

[multivita-man]

Russia apparently has four scenarios where they might use nuclear weapons. The last one is a little concerning.



I suspect Putin has a wildly different view of what constitutes the existence of the state being in jeopardy than the average person does.

Nuclear weapons ensure a regime's survival. That's the thinking behind Kim Jong Un's desire to have a large nuclear arsenal. That's why China developed atomic weapons in the 1960s. That's why the Ayatollah wants them now.

Putin's regime is under stress, in no small part because an alliance has helped thwart his ambitions in Ukraine. If it is true that nuclear weapons are the insurance policy for a regime, then the looming death of the regime increases the actuarial odds that the insurance policy is going to get cashed in -- and that's not a good thing.

 

[Grand Mal]

You should take nukes more seriously.

I dont think so. Nukes are a literal joke, a weapon that everyone who has it is afraid to use it. What could be more ridiculous.
Pakistan has nukes, if that puts the weapon in perspective.

 

[Antiwar]

I dont think so. Nukes are a literal joke, a weapon that everyone who has it is afraid to use it. What could be more ridiculous.
Pakistan has nukes, if that puts the weapon in perspective.

That's a very odd opinion.

 

[Juin]

I dont think so. Nukes are a literal joke, a weapon that everyone who has it is afraid to use it. What could be more ridiculous.
Pakistan has nukes, if that puts the weapon in perspective.

The upside is that everyone is afraid to use it. What you forget is everyone is also afraid of getting nuked. And the latter part is why nukes ought to be taken seriously. If one party, for whatever reason, false intelligence, hoax, is convinced it stands to be nuked within minutes, it will unleash its nukes. Unless someone is can guarantee that there exists no scenario in which the Russians can believe they are about to be nuked, then I will also become nonchalant about nukes

 

[noonereal]

If Putin gets anything he wants - any one thing at all - he and his successor(s) will go after Moldova, or Georgia. Or maybe even take that bit of Finland the other side of Ladoga that Russia insists belongs 'in' Karelia.

Moldova and Georgia, possibly. FINLAND, NO.

 

[Hamish Howl]

What should we do in the face of Putin's threats to use nukes?

Firstly, we should do nothing to escalate tensions.

Balls. Ramp it up.

 

[reinaert]

Moldova and Georgia, possibly. FINLAND, NO.

You are quite casual about sacrificing two more peoples @ the shrine of Lord Vladimir.

 

[noonereal]

You are quite casual about sacrificing two more peoples @ the shrine of Lord Vladimir.

You are quite casual about sacrificing the world.

Guess what, life is not fair.
Guess what else, we can't protect the world.

You need to replace your well intended emotion with contemplative deliberation.
Peace

 

[reinaert]

You are quite casual about sacrificing the world.

Guess what, life is not fair.
Guess what else, we can't protect the world.

You need to replace your well intended emotion with contemplative deliberation.
Peace

This is...something. Smug? Self-satisfied? Imperious righteous claptrap?

Wait, I have it: cowardice.

 

[noonereal]

Nuclear weapons ensure a regime's survival. That's the thinking behind Kim Jong Un's desire to have a large nuclear arsenal. That's why China developed atomic weapons in the 1960s. That's why the Ayatollah wants them now.

Putin's regime is under

Yes, little Kim taught the world that through a series of balless presidents starting with Clinton.

 

[Grand Mal]

That's a very odd opinion.

Did the Pakistani nukes prevent the US from mounting a military operation to get to Osama bin Ladin? No. Nukes are a prime example of a useless weapon, one you're afraid to use. The US will not use nukes anywhere in the world and neither will Russia. Or France or Britain or India or any other nuclear power.

 

[noonereal]

Did the Pakistani nukes prevent the US from mounting a military operation to get to Osama bin Ladin? No. Nukes are a prime example of a useless weapon, one you're afraid to use. The US will not use nukes anywhere in the world and neither will Russia. Or France or Britain or India or any other nuclear power.

Silly conjecture.

 

[Grand Mal]

Silly conjecture.

Bullshit. I didnt conjecture anything.

 

[Ethel2]

Reinstate Trump is an excellent plan.

Send the jackass to Siberia is even a better plan.

 

[Ethel2]

One reasonable person is found!

Much too late for that.
Do you disagree with the US getting involved when Hitler was bombing the UK too ?
Same thing.

 

[Antiwar]

Did the Pakistani nukes prevent the US from mounting a military operation to get to Osama bin Ladin? No. Nukes are a prime example of a useless weapon, one you're afraid to use. The US will not use nukes anywhere in the world and neither will Russia. Or France or Britain or India or any other nuclear power.

You're predicting the future.

 

[Grand Mal]

You're predicting the future.

Yes, I am. Based on what I know of history, I predict this of the future.