Putin Wants Deal With US In Syria

[sawdust]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

AP reports

Observers in Moscow say the Russian maneuvering could be part of a plan to send troops to Syria to fight the Islamic State group in the hope of fixing fractured ties with the West. They warn, however, that Putin would likely find it hard to sell his idea to a skeptical U.S. and risks potentially catastrophic repercussions if he opts for unilateral military action in Syria.

I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

 

[Pollycy]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

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I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

After seeing how easily a klatsch of Islamo-Nazis in Tehran could outwit the Obama regime and drag them into a really bad deal, maybe Vladsky thinks he might be able to con these socialist neophytes into making an equally bad one for Syria/Iraq/ISIS. But never fear, at the end of the fabled day, Russia will do whatever it pleases in the region, whenever and however it pleases, whether it pleases the Insane Clown Posse of Obama-and-Kerry or not....

 

[ocean515]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

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I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

Follow the money, and the influence. I think it will be shown that Putin's main goal is to establish Russia as the only true friend in the ME, and one that should be aligned with, rather than the infidels in the "West".

The overture to the US likely to avoid pesky distractions while Putin seeks to correct the breakup of the Soviet Union in what he refers to as, "the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".

 

[joG]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

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I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

I see at least two problems in coalescing with Assad besides his being a mass murderer and criminal by the understanding of the UN Charter.

-We supported albeit indirectly the demonstrators against him at the beginning. To turn on them now for Assad to literally crush the lives out of them would be duly noted by every present an possible ally we might ever need. We would have encouraged them to revolution against the dictator and then pacted with the dictator to persist.

-Assad is an ally of the Russians and Iranians. Both are sworn enemies of the US and even to our way of life. Helping them to establish and strengthen their foothold in the Eastern Med would create such large potential for later sorrow, that I cannot see, what could be worth it.

There are some further points, but they all hang together with these.

 

[sawdust]

Follow the money, and the influence. I think it will be shown that Putin's main goal is to establish Russia as the only true friend in the ME, and one that should be aligned with, rather than the infidels in the "West".

The overture to the US likely to avoid pesky distractions while Putin seeks to correct the breakup of the Soviet Union in what he refers to as, "the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".

We have already ceded the dominant position to Russia and they are going to do whatever they want regardless of our feckless administration. I see this as an opportunity and watch Russians do the heavy lifting without risking American lives.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Saying that Russia has constantly been promoting both the Assad gov and groups within the Syrian opposition to come to the bargaining table. They have been the ones promoting a more realistic position on the crisis IE a political solution not a military solution.

 

[sawdust]

I see at least two problems in coalescing with Assad besides his being a mass murderer and criminal by the understanding of the UN Charter.

-We supported albeit indirectly the demonstrators against him at the beginning. To turn on them now for Assad to literally crush the lives out of them would be duly noted by every present an possible ally we might ever need. We would have encouraged them to revolution against the dictator and then pacted with the dictator to persist.

-Assad is an ally of the Russians and Iranians. Both are sworn enemies of the US and even to our way of life. Helping them to establish and strengthen their foothold in the Eastern Med would create such large potential for later sorrow, that I cannot see, what could be worth it.

There are some further points, but they all hang together with these.

You're right to voice those concerns but as it currently stands, the Syrian rebels are squashed between forces loyal to Assad and ISIS. We aren't really offering them material support and I don't suggest that we start. As we learned in Afghanistan, our support for the mujahideen later came back to bite us on the ass.

You're right that Russia and Iran are allied and that siding with Assad in Syria gives Russia the dominant position in the region. They have that already. The only thing I can see that could happen as a result of our cooperation with Russia is improved relations and the loss of Russian lives instead of American soldiers.

 

[jmotivator]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

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I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

Who wouldn't want a "deal" with the US after their performance at the negotiating table with Iran? Taking advantage of the Obama administration has become an international sport.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Listening to the Republicans talk about Syria last night was nothing short of comical and frightening...

Rubio... "He's (Putin) trying to destroy NATO. And this is what this is a part of. He is exploiting a vacuum that this administration has left in the Middle East." (Cold war mentality, and probably war.)

Fiorina... "Russia is a bad actor, but Vladimir Putin is someone we should not talk to, because the only way he will stop is to sense strength and resolve on the other side, and we have all of that within our control. We could rebuild the Sixth Fleet. I will. We haven’t. We could rebuild the missile defense program. We haven’t. I will." (Cold War mentality and more military spending... and probably war.)

But all things considered I still look at Syria and al-Assad as an issue exclusively because of their alliance to Russia. To say that we have not propped up other military and/or ideological dictators in the region is a gross misrepresentation of the facts (like Iraq and Saddam himself, before we started calling him a bad guy. Or Egypt.) To say that we have not aligned ourselves with military and/or ideological dictators in the region even today is a gross misrepresentation of the facts (like Saudi Arabia.)

The truth is we have an issue with Syria and ISIS because of whom Syria does business with, pure and simple. Ideology hates competition, and we have been throwing ourselves all over the Middle East claiming to be just in our actions using a very confusing and hypocritical foreign policy going back decades now.

ISIS loves opportunity to exploit some problem or weakness, looks like they will have plenty to play with while we sit back and complain about Russia helping al-Assad. And just for clarification, there is no such thing as "moderates" for us to align with.

 

[DaveFagan]

You're right to voice those concerns but as it currently stands, the Syrian rebels are squashed between forces loyal to Assad and ISIS. We aren't really offering them material support and I don't suggest that we start. As we learned in Afghanistan, our support for the mujahideen later came back to bite us on the ass.

You're right that Russia and Iran are allied and that siding with Assad in Syria gives Russia the dominant position in the region. They have that already. The only thing I can see that could happen as a result of our cooperation with Russia is improved relations and the loss of Russian lives instead of American soldiers.

The CIA had/has moderate rebels, aka Islamic Fundamentalists on the payroll. The USA has funded, trained and armed many Islamic Fundamentalists in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and possibly Israel. Then we turn loose these Islamic Fundamentalists and they are allied with ISIS and we don't send drones to attack ISIS all over those Iraqi and Syrian deserts and use Satellite reconnaisance for precision targeting, ergo we are helping ISIS. I don't see Assad as a tyrant, but the strong type leader that seems necessary in MidEast Nations. The Saudis and Israelis support ISIS and they are also our allies. The war in Syria then must be about something not stated in the media's Mighty Wurlitzer playbacks. Perhaps it has to do with banking like Greece or Ukraine. Maybe regime change really means Banking Change, as in the Economic Spectrum of Full Spectrum Dominance.

 

[ocean515]

We have already ceded the dominant position to Russia and they are going to do whatever they want regardless of our feckless administration. I see this as an opportunity and watch Russians do the heavy lifting without risking American lives.

Perhaps. I see it differently.

 

[sawdust]

Who wouldn't want a "deal" with the US after their performance at the negotiating table with Iran? Taking advantage of the Obama administration has become an international sport.

True that.

 

[sawdust]

The CIA had/has moderate rebels, aka Islamic Fundamentalists on the payroll. The USA has funded, trained and armed many Islamic Fundamentalists in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and possibly Israel. Then we turn loose these Islamic Fundamentalists and they are allied with ISIS and we don't send drones to attack ISIS all over those Iraqi and Syrian deserts and use Satellite reconnaisance for precision targeting, ergo we are helping ISIS. I don't see Assad as a tyrant, but the strong type leader that seems necessary in MidEast Nations. The Saudis and Israelis support ISIS and they are also our allies. The war in Syria then must be about something not stated in the media's Mighty Wurlitzer playbacks. Perhaps it has to do with banking like Greece or Ukraine. Maybe regime change really means Banking Change, as in the Economic Spectrum of Full Spectrum Dominance.

I have a hard time believing Israel supports ISIS. The Saudi's and ISIS are both Sunni and I wouldn't put much past the Saudi's. They are also secular and not outwardly as extreme as ISIS. I'll keep an open mind about that. It won't change my opinion though that if all we have to do is sit back and watch, I'm more than happy to watch Russians do the heavy lifting.

 

[sawdust]

Perhaps. I see it differently.

Chocolate, vanilla.

 

[DaveFagan]

I have a hard time believing Israel supports ISIS. The Saudi's and ISIS are both Sunni and I wouldn't put much past the Saudi's. They are also secular and not outwardly as extreme as ISIS. I'll keep an open mind about that. It won't change my opinion though that if all we have to do is sit back and watch, I'm more than happy to watch Russians do the heavy lifting.

ISIS battle casualties are transported through the Golan Heights to Israeli Medical Facilities in Israel.

 

[Apocalypse]

ISIS battle casualties are transported through the Golan Heights to Israeli Medical Facilities in Israel.

No, no they aren't. Those are either Syrian civilians or combatants of the Free Syrian Army. Not ISIS.

 

[sawdust]

ISIS battle casualties are transported through the Golan Heights to Israeli Medical Facilities in Israel.

Exclusive: Israel Is Tending to Wounded Syrian Rebels | Foreign Policy

The article says that Israel is treating Syrian moderates and gaining intelligence from them during treatment.

 

[joG]

You're right to voice those concerns but as it currently stands, the Syrian rebels are squashed between forces loyal to Assad and ISIS. We aren't really offering them material support and I don't suggest that we start. As we learned in Afghanistan, our support for the mujahideen later came back to bite us on the ass.

You're right that Russia and Iran are allied and that siding with Assad in Syria gives Russia the dominant position in the region. They have that already. The only thing I can see that could happen as a result of our cooperation with Russia is improved relations and the loss of Russian lives instead of American soldiers.

Helping your allies can olways come home to roost. Do you remember Uncle Joe?

 

[Sherman123]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

AP reports



I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

The correct diplomatic reply begins with an F and ends with a You. Followed by a surge of support to Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltics, our chosen rebels, and conferences with allies in the region on the best way to kill Russian soldiers in Syria.

 

[sawdust]

The correct diplomatic reply begins with an F and ends with a You. Followed by a surge of support to Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltics, our chosen rebels, and conferences with allies in the region on the best way to kill Russian soldiers in Syria.

You do remember that Obama is our Commander in Chief. Do you believe he's going to do anything in Eastern Europe other than talk and do you believe he has a plan to defeat ISIS? I think he's going to try to enjoy his last year with several rounds of golf, appearances on late night TV and lavish parties in the White House. Foreign policy? He'll leave that for the next guy.

 

[DaveFagan]

Exclusive: Israel Is Tending to Wounded Syrian Rebels | Foreign Policy

The article says that Israel is treating Syrian moderates and gaining intelligence from them during treatment.

Let me see if I have this right. A Syrian moderate is an Islamic Fundamentalist?

 

[sawdust]

Let me see if I have this right. A Syrian moderate is an Islamic Fundamentalist?

That's right, but not necessarily an ISIS member which are worse than the garden variety Islamist.

 

[DaveFagan]

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QUOTE=sawdust;1065046861]That's right, but not necessarily an ISIS member which are worse than the garden variety Islamist.[/QUOTE]

I see or maybe not. The Israelis are supporting the war against Assad and Syria, same as ISIS, but they are not on the same side or perhaps the Mighty Wurlitzer just says this is so. Green apples and red apples are both apples. ISIS is Islamic fundamentalists. Sunnis. Wahhabis. Baathists. Daesh. A religious thing, don't ya' know? Birds of a feather. If one is told the mantra repeatedly that the "e" and the "e" are not the same thing, they also begin to repeat the mantra.

 

[Paleocon]

Putin jockeying for deal with US on Syria

AP reports



I will admit that I have no idea why we are at odds with Assad. He's a tyrant but we've supported tyrants before. As I stated prior to the war in Iraq, Hussein was someone else's tyrant, not my problem.

Now Russia is sending military equipment to Syria and reports are that they may send troops to battle enemies of the Assad regime, including ISIS. There is a possibility that they would like American blessings if not support in this effort. Certainly they don't want a confrontation with Obama's insignificant drone war or a battle with the five Syrian soldiers we've trained there.

I don't think this is a bad idea. Drop our opposition to Assad, let the Russians fight ISIS with the understanding that we support Kurdish efforts to protect their home territory. We have nothing to lose by improving relations with Russia even though Putin is a little sketchy.

Assad is a Shiite. That's why we don't like him.

 

[Erod]

I don't want Obama anywhere near a "deal" table.

The dude couldn't work an even draw in tic-tac-toe.