Putin orders nuclear deterrent forces status raised to ‘special combat readiness’

[EnigmaO01]

What do you suggest?

I'm still waiting for a response. Not expecting one though.

 

[snakestretcher]

Lol, whatever......let's just sit back, not help Ukraine, and wait to see if Putin uses nuclear weapons.....yeah that's the ticket.

What else can we do? If NATO got involved the potential consequences of all-out war with Russia are unthinkable.

 

[EnigmaO01]

What actually happens if Putin uses a nuclear weapon in Ukraine? Lots of people die and the world will do nothing but watch. That is the sad reality. Apparently only NATO children matter.

I don't believe you are correct.

 

[EnigmaO01]

What else can we do? If NATO got involved the potential consequences of all-out war with Russia are unthinkable.

I think there will be a slow creep in that direction. First it starts with lethal aid. Then it proceeds to allies on the ground but covertly. Then it's right out in the open. I could be wrong but I don't thin Putin will launch ICBM's. I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. et al are on the ground advising and using special equipment at this point.

I look for stealth bombers to get involved at some point to even the playing field in Ukraine.

There's a precedent to that in all the wars of the past. The Soviets were flying MIGS with Soviet pilots during the Korean conflict and advisors during Vietnam. The U.S. has had CIA operatives in the last few wars. The U.S. started out as advisors in Vietnam.

 

[Torus34]

President Vladimir Putin bases his decisions upon his evaluation and estimation of the probable gains and losses involved. This includes evaluating the probable response(s) of those nations which can inflict serious injury to Russia [Read: him,] militarily and, perhaps more importantly, economically. Those nations [Read: United States of America,] are of concern to the degree that they are unified against him.

Have the people of the United States of America closed ranks and unified as a nation behind our government against his latest sallies and threats?

Tune in to Mr. Tucker Carlson tonight. He is, in the US, the voice of what in other nations would be called the loyal opposition. What he says becomes grist for Mr. Putin's mill.

Judge for yourself.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[redbeer]

What else can we do? If NATO got involved the potential consequences of all-out war with Russia are unthinkable.

That is exactly why Putin is advancing, because he knows NATO will do nothing, but cry and sanction.....in the meantime the people of Ukraine die, because of lethargy. It's a difficult situation, no doubt, but watching from afar is also dangerous for the consequences coming.

 

[snakestretcher]

That is exactly why Putin is advancing, because he knows NATO will do nothing, but cry and sanction.....in the meantime the people of Ukraine die, because of lethargy. It's a difficult situation, no doubt, but watching from afar is also dangerous for the consequences coming.

Yes, the same when Crimea was annexed. Lots of outraged finger wagging by the West and little else.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Dang!

That little strutting twerp is really sick.

Surely he is aching for a breaking.

Amazing it only took a month for some to realize this. Biden has been warning us for weeks and some (no need to mention who), have been praising Putin. Those who are still supporting Putin's position are far and few between as 3/4ths of the world is in the process of shutting down Russia.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Yes, the same when Crimea was annexed. Lots of outraged finger wagging by the West and little else.

This time is much different. The rest of the world is hardly doing 'little else'. The entire world (most of it) is behind Ukraine. Everyone is doing everything possible to hurt Russia short of sending troops into Ukraine. Not sure how long that will last.

 

[snakestretcher]

This time is much different. The rest of the world is hardly doing 'little else'. The entire world (most of it) is behind Ukraine. Everyone is doing everything possible to hurt Russia short of sending troops into Ukraine. Not sure how long that will last.

Your last is the crucial point. If Putin dares stray into NATO territory-and there's no doubt that he wants to-all bets are off. World leaders are stating categorically that no NATO troops will be involved in the conflict. Then again Putin stated, categorically, that he had no plans to invade Ukraine. Make of that what you will.

 

[Torus34]

Yes, the same when Crimea was annexed. Lots of outraged finger wagging by the West and little else.

Hi, snakestretcher!

The annexation of the Crimea and the response to it by the 'free world' may, when viewed by future historians, be considered as President Vladimir Putin's opening salvo in his bid for lebensraum.

That's a guess about history, future.

History past holds lessons, if we are willing to learn in that classroom.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[snakestretcher]

Hi, snakestretcher!

The annexation of the Crimea and the response to it by the 'free world' may, when viewed by future historians, be considered as President Vladimir Putin's opening salvo in his bid for lebensraum.

That's a guess about history, future.

History past holds lessons, if we are willing to learn in that classroom.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Sadly history informs us that lessons are not learned; take the invasion of Afghanistan for example. Many have tried to subdue that nation; all, since the days of Alexander the Great, have failed.

Afghanistan: The lessons of history.

Men and women of the American armed forces are on patrol today in the ancient cities of Kabul, Herat, and throughout Afghanistan. Our soldiers come in the footsteps of so […]

bigthink.com

 

[Torus34]

Sadly history informs us that lessons are not learned; take the invasion of Afghanistan for example. Many have tried to subdue that nation; all, since the days of Alexander the Great, have failed.

Afghanistan: The lessons of history.

Men and women of the American armed forces are on patrol today in the ancient cities of Kabul, Herat, and throughout Afghanistan. Our soldiers come in the footsteps of so […]

bigthink.com

Hi again.

It appears, as viewed from my armchair at this point in time, that the most probable outcome in the next few years will be an isolation of Russia similar to that which exists for North Korea. It will require some actual sacrifice for us [citizens of the opposing nations,] but nothing that we cannot deal with through some adjustments. How well our political leaders manage to get the 'loyal opposition' in our countries behind such a 'new world order' remains to be seen.

Some of the alternatives are not pleasant to contemplate.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

[Questerr]

US nuclear doctrine is to respond to nuclear strikes with nuclear strikes. If Russia drops a nuke in Ukraine, there's not going to be a Russia anymore.

US nuclear doctrine is to respond to nuclear strikes *on itself or its allies* with nuclear strikes. What alliance did we have with Ukraine again?

 

[Questerr]

What actually happens if Putin uses a nuclear weapon in Ukraine? Lots of people die and the world will do nothing but watch. That is the sad reality. Apparently only NATO children matter.

What do you suggest we do? Start a global thermonuclear war and kill a couple billion children?

 

[Questerr]

Would Putin be desperate enough to risk MAD? If he launched ICBM it would be his last day on Earth. Ours too.

How would max be triggered if Russia nuked Ukraine?

 

[Questerr]

That is exactly why Putin is advancing, because he knows NATO will do nothing, but cry and sanction.....in the meantime the people of Ukraine die, because of lethargy. It's a difficult situation, no doubt, but watching from afar is also dangerous for the consequences coming.

To be clear, how many tens of millions of Americans would you be cool with killing in a nuclear war with Russia?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Yes, the same when Crimea was annexed. Lots of outraged finger wagging by the West and little else.

It's quite a bit more now. The Russian economy is tanking, and the oligarchs including Putin are bleeding assets faster than blood from a stuck pig. He really screwed the pooch invading Ukraine. He assumed the same response when Crimea was annexed. He assumed wrong.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Hi again.

It appears, as viewed from my armchair at this point in time, that the most probable outcome in the next few years will be an isolation of Russia similar to that which exists for North Korea. It will require some actual sacrifice for us [citizens of the opposing nations,] but nothing that we cannot deal with through some adjustments. How well our political leaders manage to get the 'loyal opposition' in our countries behind such a 'new world order' remains to be seen.

Some of the alternatives are not pleasant to contemplate.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

I don't think so. The Russian people are not as complacent and brainwashed as the North Koreans.

 

[yankintx]

Would Putin be desperate enough to risk MAD? If he launched ICBM it would be his last day on Earth. Ours too.

Maybe,

Have a read, it's rather frightening:

Ukraine invasion: Would Putin press the nuclear button?

"Would never do" isn't a phrase that applies to Vladimir Putin, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg believes.

www.bbc.com

Putin is the biggest threat to Europe, NATO is the best deterrent. The current course of action from the West, correct.

Why send our young men to die, when we can kill there economy. Joe is not done yet, he has a few more cards to play with sanctions.

 

[j brown's body]

To be clear, how many tens of millions of Americans would you be cool with killing in a nuclear war with Russia?

So we should bow to Putin and his threats?

 

[snakestretcher]

How would max be triggered if Russia nuked Ukraine?

The world wouldn't stand by and watch the annihilation of a sovereign nation, and given Putin's interest in subsuming former USSR states into Russia there's no telling where he would stop. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are all in his sights, and I daresay the Poles are nervous, despite being NATO members.

 

[Questerr]

So we should bow to Putin and his threats?

No. And we aren’t. NATO should continue to arm and support Ukraine, while sanctioning Russia until their economy is crippled.

But getting into a nuclear war isn’t worth Ukraine.

 

[Questerr]

The world wouldn't stand by and watch the annihilation of a sovereign nation, and given Putin's interest in subsuming former USSR states into Russia there's no telling where he would stop. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are all in his sights, and I daresay the Poles are nervous, despite being NATO members.

Why would Russia “annihilate Ukraine”? If they used nuclear weapons against them, they would be tactical strikes to destroy Ukraine’s military so they could successfully invade.

You get why attacking NATO members isn’t the same as attacking a non-NATO country right?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Sadly history informs us that lessons are not learned; take the invasion of Afghanistan for example. Many have tried to subdue that nation; all, since the days of Alexander the Great, have failed.

Afghanistan: The lessons of history.

Men and women of the American armed forces are on patrol today in the ancient cities of Kabul, Herat, and throughout Afghanistan. Our soldiers come in the footsteps of so […]

bigthink.com

And of course Russia found it could not occupy Afghanistan forever. Seems to have been forgotten with Putin.