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Putin now says can't we all get along?

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That can be discussed once he gives back all Ukraine territory seized over the last 20 years and pays to rebuild Ukraine and agrees to stop trying to screw NATO and reports to the ICC to be detained pending a war crimes investigation and closes the hacking/troll farms promote far right propaganda and agrees for international oversight of their nukes.
 
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That can be discussed once he gives back all Ukraine territory seized over the last 20 years and pays to rebuild Ukraine and agrees to stop trying to screw NATO

I'm rather shocked at the audacity of days of propaganda threatening to use nuclear weapons, and screaming about red lines, in the midst of his invasion he wants everything to be normal?

My guess is that he has decided that the madman personae isn't working, so now he is trying a charm offensive.
 

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That can be discussed once he gives back all Ukraine territory seized over the last 20 years and pays to rebuild Ukraine and agrees to stop trying to screw NATO and reports to the ICC to be detained pending a war crimes investigation and closes the hacking/troll farms promote far right propaganda and agrees for international oversight of their nukes.
He's going to give back Ukrainian territory right after we give back Puerto Rico and much of the Southwest.
 

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He's going to give back Ukrainian territory right after we give back Puerto Rico and much of the Southwest.
Um, that might have been something it made sense to say, oh, 120 years ago. But take heart: 120 years from now, if Russia still includes Ukraine, it will be relevant as a counter argument. Save it for then.
 
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He's going to give back Ukrainian territory right after we give back Puerto Rico and much of the Southwest.
Shouldn't Mexico give back the land to Spain. Just need to go back to the year 1821. :giggle:
 

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GMAFB The man is certifiable ; he has proven it over and over and over again
 

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Don't believe a solitary world from KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin.

What he said in his speech today was for the Russian domestic audience.

Makes sense. In a broadcast yesterday he was so intense on convincing the Russian people that everything was alright he ended, then returned to his mike to repeat his message. Today Russia is cutting off independent news sources.
 

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Putin's message to Russians is very different than what is really happening in Ukraine. He will try and convince Russians that his warmongering "special military operation" is righteous.

But if that doesn't work, Colonel Putin will use whatever force is necesssary to maintain control in Russia.
 

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GMAFB The man is certifiable ; he has proven it over and over and over again
He is a sociopath. He is very logical in a cold and evil sort of way.
 

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Putin's message to Russians is very different than what is really happening in Ukraine. He will try and convince Russians that his warmongering "special military operation" is righteous.

But if that doesn't work, Colonel Putin will use whatever force is necesssary to maintain control in Russia.
It's got to be pretty obvious to all Russians that something is amiss when their tv channels and fb get pulled. They have to know their information is being controlled.
 

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Sure, of course, after Putin is (a) voted/thrown out of office, (b) arrested and incarcerated or (c) otherwise "removed".
Then we can all sit down and discuss options for a return to normalcy.
Oh and...Russia is 100% financially liable for the cost to rebuild what they've destroyed.
 

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Hopefully his oligarch buddies arent too keen on the financial collapse and a potential global thermonuclear war. Maybe they'll talk him down from the ledge eventually.
 

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Hopefully his oligarch buddies arent too keen on the financial collapse and a potential global thermonuclear war. Maybe they'll talk him down from the ledge eventually.
Or toss him over the side. Either works.
 

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Mighty, mighty, as Grampy Tom used to say. I don't ever remember such a lot of people calling for the death of an enemy leader, except Osama. And he was an actual outlaw. Putin is a seated head of state.

It's a very simple solution, but it ain't gonna happen, so don't waste brain cells going there.
 

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🤣 Not bloody likely. 🤣

But just in case, Putin, demonstrate your commitment to this with a complete withdraw of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory.

Don't believe a solitary world from KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin.

What he said in his speech today was for the Russian domestic audience.
Spot on. My guess would be in response to pressure from his oligarchs and the protests in the streets. Must quell.
 

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Hopefully his oligarch buddies arent too keen on the financial collapse and a potential global thermonuclear war. Maybe they'll talk him down from the ledge eventually.
Russian Oligarch Deripaska Calls For End Of War Against Ukraine

Russian billionaire tycoon Oleg Deripaska, known for his close ties with President Vladimir Putin, has called for an end to the war in Ukraine.

Deripaska, who has been sanctioned by the West, warned of a possible nuclear accident at any of Ukraine's nuclear power facilities during the fighting, which would endanger, Russia, Ukraine, and Europe as a whole.

Deripaska is one of several Russian billionaires to call on the authorities to stop the full-scale military attack against Ukraine launched on February 24.

Mikhail Fridman, Pyotr Aven, Oleg Tinkov, and Aleksei Mordashov -- also billionaires who have been targeted by Western sanctions -- have already publicly called for a cessation of hostilities.


Read more: https://www.rferl.org/a/deripaska-ol.../31734624.html
 

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That can be discussed once he gives back all Ukraine territory seized over the last 20 years and pays to rebuild Ukraine and agrees to stop trying to screw NATO and reports to the ICC to be detained pending a war crimes investigation and closes the hacking/troll farms promote far right propaganda and agrees for international oversight of their nukes.

Ain't gonna happen, do you want more Ukrainians to die before a more realistic deal can be agreed?
 

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Ain't gonna happen, do you want more Ukrainians to die before a more realistic deal can be agreed?
That’s up to Ukrainians.
 

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That’s up to Ukrainians.

They will all die waiting for such a ridiculous demand.

Obviously too, you apply different standards to different parties which also undermines your proposal
 

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They will all die waiting for such a ridiculous demand.

Obviously too, you apply different standards to different parties which also undermines your proposal
It’s the only ethical stance. It’s probably not going to happen but it’s what would reset the situation fully. Russia is at fault and should be the one to pay.
 
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