Putin is NOT crazy and the Russian invasion is NOT failing

[sanman]

Every country has neo nazis....even Russia. Your lie becomes apparent when all the world finds our the president of Ukraine is Jewish and 3 of his uncles were murdered in the Holocaust by real Nazis, because they were Jews

Here's a picture of Zelensky:

The moment Zelensky finds out Putin's forces struck Holocaust memorial

The President was chatting to a journalist about his family when Chief of Staff Andriy Yermak stormed into the room and declared: 'now it's [Russia] bombing Babyn Yar.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Zelensky is pictured paying respects to his grandfather Semyon Ivanovich Zelensky in 2019.
Semyon was a member of the Soviet Union Red Army and fought the Nazis in World War II

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Please note the part I've bolded for emphasis. A lot of Americans seem to be clueless on who fought the Nazis the most.

 

[Geoist]

I've interacted with Bill Roggio online, back when he was chronicling the War on Terror in Afghanistan, through his publication, The Long War Journal.

He says the Russian invasion of Ukraine is working according to plan. The Russians aren't amateurs. The West is simply deluding themselves, and by doing so, they're squandering their chances to influence the situation favorably.

Putin is NOT crazy, the Russian invasion is NOT failing: BILL ROGGIO

ROGGIO: Believing Russia's assault is going poorly may make us feel better but is at odds with the facts. We cannot help Ukraine if we cannot be honest about its predicament.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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[Geoist]

Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian, so I think the West needs to negotiate with Putin to let him have that portion, and then Western Ukraine can be an independent buffer state between Russia and NATO.

And why would anyone agree to this?

 

[sanman]

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Left-wing McCarthyites --- such exotic new creatures

Sleepy Joe and Low Blow Joe now fuse together

 

[Deuce]

Okay Neville

Sergei*

 

[sanman]

And why would anyone agree to this?

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

 

[Geoist]

Left-wing McCarthyites --- such exotic new creatures

Sleepy Joe and Low Blow Joe now fuse together

In what universe is opposition to autocratic bullies considered 'McCarthyism?'

 

[sanman]

In what universe is opposition to autocratic bullies considered 'McCarthyism?'

according to you, that then makes Joe McCarthy an "opposition to autocratic bullies"

 

[jnug]

That country that got invaded had a Capitol Insurrection street coup riot back in 2014, which threw out the legitimate democratically elected govt of Yanuckovitch. Ukraine's population is one third Russian - speaks Russian as their primary language - and most everybody else in the country at least speaks Russian as a second language. That Capitol Insurrection street coup was meant to politically disenfranchise Russian-speakers in the country. In the period leading up to that Capitol Insurrection street coup, the US had spent billions of dollars supporting the groups that participated in that Capitol Insurrection street coup. It's very clear that the US govt under Obama had been looking for a way to grab Ukraine -- not by invading it outright with tanks as Putin has now done, but by using dirty tricks.

Now why would a dumbass like Obama care about Ukraine? Well, that's the entire point of keeping a dumbass on the throne in Washington -- so that all the ass-holes who like to start dirty wars can have a free reign to do so, under the disinterested eyes of the dumbass. Obama was more interested in domestic stuff like how to pack as many of his handpicked judges into the courts. The foreign policy ass-holes meanwhile were interested in pursuing dirty wars abroad. So it was quid pro quo.

But then Trump came in and upset their applecart, so they had to find a way to get rid of him. So that's why they invented the Russia Collusion Hoax out of thin air. Other stuff came in handy too, like when that dumb cop put his knee on George Floyd's neck -- that provided an excellent opportunity for the ass-holes to fan a summer of rioting in the homeland, to throw out Trump in the same way Yanuckovitch was thrown out. Hey, as Democrats say "never let a crisis go to waste".

So now they've got their next new dumbass Biden on the throne, and the ass-holes can go back to their favorite pastime of fighting wars of empire abroad. Putin sees this, and he's getting more nervous from this. Meanwhile, the ass-holes had started appeasing China again in order to avoid hostilities with it while they pursued their dirty wars elsewhere. They didn't see a big backlash coming from it, owing to the fact that Trump had antagonized China by calling them out on the one-sided trade practices and its growing military threat to the region. So while the ass-holes thought they'd manage to placate China again, China had in fact made a pact with Putin. They told Putin they'd back him in invading Ukraine, so that they could then be in a better position to invade Taiwan. So it was quid pro quo.

Now Putin's invaded Ukraine, and China's taking notes so that they can be in a better position to invade Taiwan. "Hey buddy, let's take the plunge together -- but, uhhh, you go first!"

So now the ass-holes don't know what to do. They didn't count on China gaming them while they were busy gaming someone else. So they'll do the only thing they know how to do, which is to double down on the gaming they were already carrying out. That's not going to work, of course.

Yanuckovych was a Russian stooge and the Ukrainian people knew it. Its as simple as that. If you did not know it before he went into exile in Russia, that he did go into exile in Russia should seal the deal. Would anybody be surprised if the stooge Putin installed after lopping off the head of current Ukraine government was Yanuckovych?

Ukrainians were done with the steady stream of Russia-cons and Putinesk stooges running their country and siphoning off Ukraine assets to Putin and his cronies in Russia. Just as it is in Russia itself they bleed off enough assets to allow the country to survive but not thrive. That was EXACTLY the job Paul Manafort was doing in Ukraine for Russian Oligarchs before he became Trump Campaign Manager. HUMMMMM....what, people thought that was some sort of coincidence!!!

Ukraine has Zelensky for a President because they did not trust anybody else other than possibly Poroshenko. Zelensky and Poroshenko were the last two that remained standing with enough votes for the runoff and Zelensky beat him. Nobody really knows why Poroshenko lost to Zelensky. Likely Poroshenko simply made nobody happy, had no base of support that rallied around him and Zelensky did.

Tell your handlers to give you a better line of BULLSHIT to push. The one you are pushing here isn't going anywhere.

 

[Geoist]

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

Hitler annexed Austria because part of its population was German. If they wish to be part of Russia they can move to Russia. Putin poisoned the well in that area for so long there is no telling what is manufactured and what is genuine.

 

[Geoist]

according to you, that then makes Joe McCarthy an "opposition to autocratic bullies"

Except I never called myself a McCarthyite, you did.

 

[sanman]

Hitler annexed Austria because part of its population was German. If they wish to be part of Russia they can move to Russia.

Austria welcomed Hitler and 'Anschluss'. Perhaps you don't remember that Hitler was born in Austria?



I don't want to lecture a guy who pretentiously calls himself Geoist, because obviously you must know everything - except the salient details.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

LWJ is still up and running - if you want to check the latest episode of their podcast Generation Jihad, it's a verbal discussion of this topic.

He starts by pointing out that this invasion is illegal, immoral, and that Putin is a war criminal.

He's right that many commentators in the West have allowed optimism to color their analysis. Ukraine way out performed expectations, and Russia has seriously underperformed expectations. NATO planners are having a field day, right now, watching Russia sort of blunder about, and Russia does, in fact, seem to have missed their own planned time hacks.

"Russia is behind schedule and facing serious setbacks from their original plan", however, is not the same as "losing", which is where I might draw the distinction between what the Pentagon seems to be saying, and what Roggio seems to be describing the Pentagon as saying (though he's talking about the National Security crowd in general).

As for Putin's mindset - isolated and convinced of his own propaganda may not qualify as "crazy", but, it also doesn't qualify as "protected from taking hyper violent or nutty actions".

Also:

In the first hours of the war, the U.S. Air Force launched its 'shock and awe' campaign in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and other key leaders and bring down the government. Saddam survived, but the U.S. military was fully prepared to follow up with a ground assault.
A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Ummm, captured papers seized when Ukraine killed a top Russian Army general seem to indicate Putin's entire plan was designed for two weeks of fighting.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/2022/03/03/ukraine_reveals_russias_secret_planned_15-day_war_819788.html

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

The people living in those parts are Russian because Stalin LIQUIDATED all the Ukrainians that USED to live there.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

Putin allegedly declared at a NATO-Russia summit in 2008 that if Ukraine joined NATO Russia could contend to annex the Ukrainian East and Crimea.[361] At the summit, he told US President George W. Bush that "Ukraine is not even a state!" while the following year Putin referred to Ukraine as "Little Russia".
I don't hear a lot of Ukrainians agreeing, except for the Russian minority in those breakaway areas in the East.

A lot of people blame Putin's moves on NATO expansion, but a contrary view states that applications from new countries willing to join NATO were driven primarily by Russian's behavior in Chechnya, Transnitria, Abkhazia, the Yanayev putsch as well as calls to restore USSR in its previous borders by prominent Russian politicians.

1995 LA Times:

BALTIC STATES: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were forcibly annexed by the Soviet Union in 1940 and did not regain independence until 1991. Since then, the countries have squabbled with Moscow over Russian troop withdrawals and Russian minorities.
POLAND: Warsaw has had strained relations with Moscow since the collapse of the Warsaw Pact. Eager to join NATO but aware of the shadow Russia casts, it has been difficult for Poland to balance westward leanings with eastward realities.
CZECH REPUBLIC: Reforms in Czechoslovakia were put down in 1968 when Soviet tanks rolled into Prague. Since splitting from Slovakia in 1993, Czechs have had no common border with the former Soviet Union and are on the fast track to Western integration.

It would be interesting to hear any of the above states issue comments about wanting a return to the old Soviet sphere of influence and control.
One would think there'd be an immense roar of approval at this point.
Or maybe they decided to join the West because they prefer the values of the West.

The member states of NATO are:

Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States.

Putin first took power in 1999. He's had since 1999 to make decisions on his view of Ukraine's sovereignty, thus I find it interesting that he waited until AFTER the Ukrainian people made their feelings known in 2013, some fourteen years later, to make the decision to invade some NINE years after Euromaidan. Soviet tanks rolled into Prague only seven months after the Prague Spring commenced.
I get the sense that Putin still thinks Donald Trump is going to help him out, maybe with another putsch attempt here in Yankee Land.

 

[CaughtInThe]

with all the russian propaganda that comes from the OP i'm just surprised that he used the word "invasion" in his OP.

 

[sanman]

Ummm, captured papers seized when Ukraine killed a top Russian Army general seem to indicate Putin's entire plan was designed for two weeks of fighting.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/2022/03/03/ukraine_reveals_russias_secret_planned_15-day_war_819788.html

2 weeks aren't up yet

 

[sanman]

The people living in those parts are Russian because Stalin LIQUIDATED all the Ukrainians that USED to live there.

What is the relevance of your statement? Do those Russians now living there somehow bear blame for this?
Or maybe you should take your complaint to Georgia, since Stalin was a Georgian and not a Russian.

 

[Lursa]

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

Then let them move there, or move back there. Just like I'd tell anyone that was unhappy with the country they lived in if they identified strongly with another one.

What gives them the right to demand 'everyone else' change for them using violence?

 

[jnug]

Also:


Ummm, captured papers seized when Ukraine killed a top Russian Army general seem to indicate Putin's entire plan was designed for two weeks of fighting.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/2022/03/03/ukraine_reveals_russias_secret_planned_15-day_war_819788.html

That is most relevant to these absurd discussions of what is motivating Putin:
- its denazification
- its Donbas
- its NATO and the idea of attacking for purposes of defense
- Its EU (this one gets closer to the truth than the other three)'

Really they are all rationalizations. Putin has attacked for the same old reasons that aggressor's have always attacked. He wanted it. In this case the it was Ukraine. He wanted the territory and the assets which he has been trying to steal for years anyway. Putin convinced himself of his own BULLSHIT. Remind you of anybody????? He convinced himself that:
- he would be welcomed into Ukraine
- it would be a quick and easy walkover

He would then have the country intact and producing for him. When it all started going wrong he really had already hooked himself. Like a gambler trying to work out of the hole and back to even he just kept on playing and playing to the point now where he has clearly crossed the Rubicon. He has destroyed so much property, has ruined so many lives both Russian and Ukrainian, has committed so many war crimes that he has lost this war regardless of whether he takes the whole country for now or not. He can't hold it if he takes it.

Putin gets to be world pariah now and if enough of the Russian people ever do get to figure out what he sent their sons to die for in Ukraine they will rip him to shreds. He will be grateful for a bullet in the brainpan at that point.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What is the relevance of your statement? Do those Russians now living there somehow bear blame for this?
Or maybe you should take your complaint to Georgia, since Stalin was a Georgian and not a Russian.

It's relevant because Putin is simply working a long term plan that his Soviet predecessors worked before he was born.
We here in "Murrika" liquidated enormous Native American populations and moved them onto reservations, and now states like Oklahoma claim
that they are carrying out the will of the people. Which people?
Putin's basically doing to Ukrainians what we did to the Indians and what Israel has done to people in the Palestinian territories.

Question: Does the Ukrainian MAJORITY get to have any say in what happens to their country, or do you also subscribe to Putin's belief that "Ukraine is not even a state."

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That is most relevant to these absurd discussions of what is motivating Putin:
- its denazification
- its Donbas
- its NATO and the idea of attacking for purposes of defense
- Its EU (this one gets closer to the truth than the other three)'

Really they are all rationalizations. Putin has attacked for the same old reasons that aggressor's have always attacked. He wanted it. In this case the it was Ukraine. He wanted the territory and the assets which he has been trying to steal for years anyway. Putin convinced himself of his own BULLSHIT. Remind you of anybody????? He convinced himself that:
- he would be welcomed into Ukraine
- it would be a quick and easy walkover

He would then have the country intact and producing for him. When it all started going wrong he really had already hooked himself. Like a gambler trying to work out of the hole and back to even he just kept on playing and playing to the point now where he has clearly crossed the Rubicon. He has destroyed so much property, has ruined so many lives both Russian and Ukrainian, has committed so many war crimes that he has lost this war regardless of whether he takes the whole country for now or not. He can't hold it if he takes it.

Putin gets to be world pariah now and if enough of the Russian people ever do get to figure out what he sent their sons to die for in Ukraine they will rip him to shreds. He will be grateful for a bullet in the brainpan at that point.

Imagine if Trump were to get reelected and went 'FULL FASCIST' and transformed all agencies, bending them to his will, including the Pentagon.
Now suddenly Trump the Fascist decides that, for the security of America...the "REAL America", he must neutralize "all the COMMUNISTS in communist California".
He sends several battalions in to destroy California's infrastructure, bomb residential areas, schools, hospitals, etc.

Remember, Californians are all commies, says Trump!

And, about that nasty pesky neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine, which has a good deal of historical substance...
How does one explain the fact that Ukraine, who elected a Jewish leader, is quietly looking away while neo-Nazis form detachments that are volunteering?

Well, suppose every Blood, every Crip, every members of White Fence, Cantaranas, MS-13 and 18th Street gangs all volunteer to fight Trump's fascists
Does that mean all Angelenos are not only communists but also worshippers of criminal street gangs?

Or does it simply mean that war sometimes makes for strange bedfellows?

 

[Geoist]

Austria welcomed Hitler and 'Anschluss'. Perhaps you don't remember that Hitler was born in Austria?

Some supported it and others did not. In fact, the Nazis arrested thousands of Austrians who tried to flee.

But good to have you on record supporting Nazi annexations

I don't want to lecture a guy who pretentiously calls himself Geoist, because obviously you must know everything - except the salient details.

A geoist is someone who supports geoism (aka georgism).

Another swing and miss by sanman.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The people living in those parts are Russian, so they'd be quite happy being part of Russia. But you don't care about the people living in those parts. You'd be happy to see them completely disenfranchised. Why?

“Those people” don’t have any claim to the land they occupy anymore than the Confederates in America did. The land belongs to the sovereign country of Ukraine.

If they love Russia so much, they should pack up their shit and move there.

 

[Callen]

Putin is deliberately provoking NATO into a confrontation...the results of which will be monumental.