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Putin Channels American Liberals in His Op-Ed

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Putin came in for criticism from politicians on both sides of the aisle with his op ed in the New York Times. But taking his bullet points one by one, it's obvious that he is borrowing his ideas from those that American liberals have espoused since the 1960s.

The main points are:

  1. It's contrary to international law for a member nation to attack another member without approval of the UN.
  2. Intervention into civil wars in other countries is likewise against international law.
  3. The United States isn't an exceptional nation, or it's no more exceptional than other nations.
Where have we heard Mr. Putin’s principles before? They are in fact basic articles of faith among American liberals who have been saying for decades that the U.S. should not use military force without United Nations authorization, we should not intervene in civil wars abroad, and the idea of American exceptionalism is a myth used to cover up crimes against women and minorities at home and the poor and oppressed abroad.

Indeed, President Obama has explicitly expressed support for all three of these principles at one time or another. I suspect that it was not by accident that Putin based his argument on those ideas.

But when liberals contradict themselves, even when it involves long held points of ideology, they are usually oblivious to the fact. It gives one the impression that their principles don't really matter to them, that they only have principles in any moment as a means to a particular end. Even if they are aware of the contradiction a President who has done so much to diminish the USA must be defended. So once they are done with Putin they will go right back to their belief in the supremacy of international law, the wrongness of American "imperialism", and the rightness of multicultural pieties, the end in this case being the dissolution of American power and influence.
 
Putin came in for criticism from politicians on both sides of the aisle with his op ed in the New York Times. But taking his bullet points one by one, it's obvious that he is borrowing his ideas from those that American liberals have espoused since the 1960s.

The main points are:

  1. It's contrary to international law for a member nation to attack another member without approval of the UN.
  2. Intervention into civil wars in other countries is likewise against international law.
  3. The United States isn't an exceptional nation, or it's no more exceptional than other nations.


Indeed, President Obama has explicitly expressed support for all three of these principles at one time or another. I suspect that it was not by accident that Putin based his argument on those ideas.

But when liberals contradict themselves, even when it involves long held points of ideology, they are usually oblivious to the fact. It gives one the impression that their principles don't really matter to them, that they only have principles in any moment as a means to a particular end. Even if they are aware of the contradiction a President who has done so much to diminish the USA must be defended. So once they are done with Putin they will go right back to their belief in the supremacy of international law, the wrongness of American "imperialism", and the rightness of multicultural pieties, the end in this case being the dissolution of American power and influence.

When will you all get it inside your heads??

Putin is warning you!
 
It is grimly hilarious to see the KGB thug who went to war with Georgia (and pried a couple of provinces away from them) run circles around the amateur with a Nobel peace prize.
 
Putin definitely got the attention of the Liberal MSM. They seem to mention him more than Obama now.

This puts Liberal commentators in a bind because for years, they have NEVER insulted Communism. This is a point of worship for them, the Liberals loved Gorbachev and hated Reagan.

So now they have two favorites competing for worship, Putin and the strange, reclusive Obama.

In a global economy with constant strife, people want someone to show leadership on the world stage. Putin seems willing to do so while an irresponsible Obama runs for cover shouting "Nothing is my fault."
 
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It is grimly hilarious to see the KGB thug who went to war with Georgia (and pried a couple of provinces away from them) run circles around the amateur with a Nobel peace prize.

It's grimly hilarious how you totally know nothing about the South Ossetia war. Like who started it, what country South Ossetia is now part of and the history of the region.

Basically, your position boils down to, the Communists divided North and South Ossetia, and now that's the "territorial integrity" of an independent state that hadn't existed since about 500 years ago?
 
Putin came in for criticism from politicians on both sides of the aisle with his op ed in the New York Times. But taking his bullet points one by one, it's obvious that he is borrowing his ideas from those that American liberals have espoused since the 1960s.

The main points are:

  1. It's contrary to international law for a member nation to attack another member without approval of the UN.
  2. Intervention into civil wars in other countries is likewise against international law.
  3. The United States isn't an exceptional nation, or it's no more exceptional than other nations.


Indeed, President Obama has explicitly expressed support for all three of these principles at one time or another. I suspect that it was not by accident that Putin based his argument on those ideas.

But when liberals contradict themselves, even when it involves long held points of ideology, they are usually oblivious to the fact. It gives one the impression that their principles don't really matter to them, that they only have principles in any moment as a means to a particular end. Even if they are aware of the contradiction a President who has done so much to diminish the USA must be defended. So once they are done with Putin they will go right back to their belief in the supremacy of international law, the wrongness of American "imperialism", and the rightness of multicultural pieties, the end in this case being the dissolution of American power and influence.

It's also fun to watch Conservatives run to embrace Putin when he criticizes Obama. So basically, you are all liberals now?
 
Putin have been plugged in to American politics for years. Many liberals despised Bush when he was President, but for the most part they drew a line at our shores and showed loyalty to the country. The country came together after 911 ....Republicans have been calculating and deliberate to ensure Obama never see a second ...a moment like this.

Benghazi was a classic example ...while the shots were being fired republicans were here looking for a way to blame Obama. The dead wasn't even buried and Republicans were busy with impeachment and investigations.


So Putin recognize that with Obama ..it has been totally different. The right wing not only hate Obama ...they want to embarrass him and America on the world stage every chance they get. To feed their hate ...it's very clear that Patriotism ...is thrown out the window. A blind person could see this begging and pining from the right ...their cries and beckoning to any world leader to help them embarrass the President.

We saw Netinyahu come to America and act as though ...he ...not Obama was the President. And with the Ed Snowden fiasco, the issue on Gays ....and now Syria ...the right wing are not tepid or modest in singing Praise to Putin. And like I said ...Putin knows this.

But I have always agreed about one statement made by Putin....there really is nothing exceptional about America and Americans. There never was ..... this "America dream"...has always been the same dream people have all over the world...and there never was anything "American" about it!!

The only thing America have is money ...and we've washed the globe in blood to get that money!! Immigrants don't come here for the ..."American dream"....they've always come here ..mainly for the money. Don't forget we have a lingering history of slavery in this country ...that's not something any other nation wants to replicate.


In addition, to be exceptional really comes down to Americans ...the actual individuals. And Like I've said before ...the Chinese hands down are better. They are a people and a nation set to produce smarter people simply because of their work ethic and their history.

So yeah ..I agree with Putin on his 3rd point ...this exceptional-ism argument by America ...is a myth! And that's why we here in America need to keep reciting that....it has always been a form of indoctrination.
 
It's also fun to watch Conservatives run to embrace Putin when he criticizes Obama. So basically, you are all liberals now?

No, merely pointing out that even a blind squirrel can find a nut now and then.
 
The next time 0bama meets Putin, you KNOW 0bama will be bowing to him (as he does everyone else).

Then again...0bama is so much Putin's bitch, I wouldn't doubt if he's forced to wear a dress, next time he ever visits Russia.
 
It's grimly hilarious how you totally know nothing about the South Ossetia war. Like who started it, what country South Ossetia is now part of and the history of the region.

Basically, your position boils down to, the Communists divided North and South Ossetia, and now that's the "territorial integrity" of an independent state that hadn't existed since about 500 years ago?

Does anyone knowledgeable about the Russia-Georgia conflict honestly view the secessionist "republic" of South Ossetia as anything other than a Russian puppet state?
 
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