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Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 Previewing Ohio


We'll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there's one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they'd rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.

Independents hold that view by a 44-37 margin and there are more Democrats who would take Bush back (11%) than there are Republicans who think Obama's preferable (3%.)

A couple months ago I thought the Pennsylvanias and Missouris and Ohios of the world were the biggest battlegrounds for 2010 but when you see numbers like this it makes you think it's probably actually the Californias and the Wisconsins and the Washingtons.

There's not much doubt things are getting worse for Democrats...and they were already pretty bad. Somehow the party base needs to get reinvigorated over the next two months or there's going to be a very, very steep price to pay.

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Wow, shocking poll here, from a mainstream reputable firm, no less. I think this plays into the bigger picture at play here, and that is the dismal political ground the Democrats now find themselves in. However if you think about it it's a product of the Democrats own doing, they pushed a 'stimulus' bill with little to no public support, nearly a trillion dollars that was needed so urgently the Democrats couldn't allow proper time for the bill to be read before it was voted on, and now all this time later only around 50% of that money has been spent. Same with the takeover of GM, student loans, and banks, socialism is not apart of the American culture, Obama didn't listen to America, and pushed his own agenda. Add in the Health Care bill with it's Unconstitutional mandate to purchase private insurance, which will be a boon to the insurance companies, not the American public, not to mention their was even less support for that, Democrats didn't listen, and rammed it through Congress using bribes, and other unsavory tactics.

This administration and it's Congressional allies have ignored the American public, in a conscious effort to pass as much Democrat special interest laden legislation in the short time they knew they would have in absolute power, the American public sees this and is furious.
 

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Ohio: Bush 50, Obama 42(edited)

Ohio: Bush 50, Obama 42 « Don Surber

From Tom Jensen at Public Policy Polling on Tuesday: “We’ll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there’s one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.”

Prince Charming turned out to be a frog.

I didn't realize Obi was French!!!
That explains everything... LOL.

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I guess we've answered this question.

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Comparisons between current situations and past situations are always flawed, but that argument often fell on deaf ears when it was Bush getting crappy ratings compared to past presidents.

Regardless, this gives me the mirths
 

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Comparisons between current situations and past situations are always flawed, but that argument often fell on deaf ears when it was Bush getting crappy ratings compared to past presidents.

Regardless, this gives me the mirths

Here's the big difference:

Bush had Dems and their Journolists haul out their long knives and endlessly hammer and slash at Bush. They saw Iraq, something they voted for, as a weapon to try slam Bush. Very sick pigs.

Obama has had the Journolists propagandizing for him; and attacking the opposition. Just look at their take on the Tea Party. Yes, the right has talk radio and FOXNEWS looking critically at our skinny little Marxist, but that combo is a pin prick compared to what happened to Bush.

Bush told the American people what he would do, and that he would stay the course. Obama was packaged as something he wasn't, and those swing voters seem to have said... "fool me once, shame on me... and you're not fooling us any longer."

Huge difference, reflected in this novelty poll.

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Ohio has always been one of the most reliable bellwethers for the mood of the country, too.
 

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Ohio has always been one of the most reliable bellwethers for the mood of the country, too.

Yeah, that's why I posted this, it's a battleground, bellwether state, another battleground bellwether state is Missouri, and they just voted down the Obamacare mandate by like 70%.
 

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I guess we've answered this question.

Oh maybe the people who answered the poll have unrealistic expectations and a total lack of understanding for the catastrophic damage W. did to our economy and image abroad.
 

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Oh maybe the people who answered the poll have unrealistic expectations and a total lack of understanding for the catastrophic damage W. did to our economy and image abroad.

There's a classic leftist answer... The people are stupid.

Your answer demonstrates it is people like you who have the lack of understanding.
 

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Oh maybe the people who answered the poll have unrealistic expectations and a total lack of understanding for the catastrophic damage W. did to our economy and image abroad.

"Everyone who disagrees with me must be dumb."

compelling argument
 
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Northeast Ohio and the Columbus area tend to be more liberal. The rest are mostly conservative. This post doesn't surprise me at all. We got hit hard with job loss, we need jobs and we need them now.
 
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More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.

Bush did push for and got TARP, but it was through a Democratic Congress, Where the Dems Presidential candidate (Obama) was campaigning for it, it didn't garner much Congressional Republican support.


The vote to release the TARP funding was pretty much along party lines, with most Democrats voting to release the funding. Below a list of the exceptions.

Nine Democrats voted NOT to relesee the funds: Bayh (IN), Cantwell (WA), Dorgan (ND), Feingold (WI), Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Sanders (VT), Wyden (OR).

Six Republicans voted to release the money: Alexander (TN), Gregg (NH), Kyl (AZ), Lugar (IN), Snowe (ME), Voinovich (OH).

First Read - Breaking down the TARP vote
 

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More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.

Though I'm against all forms of bailouts, the bank bailouts that Bush passed had bipartisan support from the congress and the senate, while the stimulus package was only supported by democrats and got no support from republicans. Here's the latest treasury report along with what the CBO had to say:

The latest estimate from the Treasury Department, released in May, is that the Troubled Asset Relief Program will cost $105 billion, and that number could shrink as banks and other TARP recipients repay the government. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office more recently estimated the final cost at $66 billion.

Most economists believe TARP avoided a collapse of the nation's banking system and was well worth the cost.

Herbert Allison, Treasury's assistant secretary for financial stability, said three-fourths of the money loaned to banks has been repaid.

"We think that the program certainly served its intended purpose, and at a cost and an investment of far less than anyone expected," Allison said.

So what we have here, is a bailout that seemed to work, that cost only a fraction of what the stimulus plan cost, that didn't work. The kicker is, Obama is taking credit for it.

Thanks for that useful post.
 
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Can anyone say buyers remorse?
 

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Bush did push for and got TARP, but it was through a Democratic Congress, Where the Dems Presidential candidate (Obama) was campaigning for it, it didn't garner much Congressional Republican support.


The vote to release the TARP funding was pretty much along party lines, with most Democrats voting to release the funding. Below a list of the exceptions.

Nine Democrats voted NOT to relesee the funds: Bayh (IN), Cantwell (WA), Dorgan (ND), Feingold (WI), Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Sanders (VT), Wyden (OR).

Six Republicans voted to release the money: Alexander (TN), Gregg (NH), Kyl (AZ), Lugar (IN), Snowe (ME), Voinovich (OH).

First Read - Breaking down the TARP vote

That same day, the legislation for the bailout was put before the United States House of Representatives and failed 205-228, with one not voting. Democrats voted 140 to 95 in favor of the legislation, while Republicans voted 133 to 65 against it

I was referring to the House vote where 95 Democrats voted against it vs. 65 Republicans voting against it.

But more to the point is that 50% of Americans are factually incorrect. I find that disturbing, because they're basing their response on something not factual.

I am reminded of the woman who started yelling at me at a bar (while rudely interrupting a conversation I was having) claiming that 9/11 happened while Clinton was in office - NOT that she blamed Clinton for not getting bin Laden or whatever - she firmly believed that Clinton was in office.

There are too many people basing their beliefs on misinformation. If the belief is still the same, fine. But at least base it on facts, not delusions or misinformation.
 

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My apologies, but I can't help laughing my ass off. Who here remembers the 2008 election, when a lot of people were saying that was the end of the Bush era? And who also remembers the response from Republicans that year? It was pretty much this:

...........but Bush isn't running this year.

According to some of the same people, he is running NOW. :rofl

I love politics. It produces some of the best comedy in America.

And no, Bush is not running this year. :mrgreen:
 
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Bush sure got his approval rating to jump up by not being in office. What does that tell me?
 
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