Russia started this. We're finishing it.
PERIOD.
Here's the most important part of a discussion from 2008. This person's assessment of the geopolitics of NATO expansion is fairly accurate. Everyone who doesn't include these contexts and considerations is inaccurate. "But Russia invaded Ukraine" is just one of many ways that people try but fail to counter this argument.
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Does Ukraine have the right to defend itself from Russian aggression? Yes or no.
You've failed to address the thread topic, except by being an example of not countering the argument.
As expected, you didn't answer my question.
Your question is bogus.
Russia started this. We're finishing it.
PERIOD.
You say that because you don't want to answer it. You know what the answer is. Why are you running away from it?
I've answered that question plenty of times. It's your lame attempt at a gotcha question, and is an example of you trying to deny the presented arguments by bypassing them. You're trying to pretend that Russia exists in a geopolitical vacuum.
I could ask you several much more important questions, and you likely wouldn't address those, either.
So you don't want to face the reality of 2023. Tough beans. Putin is the aggressor, and your attempt to deflect to a couple of quotes fifteen years ago isn't going to change that.
Who here does not believe that the US would do that same thing if in their shoes?
More of the same
And there's the "Whatabout the US" deflection. Any other play you've got out of the both-siderism playbook?
Deflection? That's the main question in the quoted part of the #1 comment in this thread. What are you talking about? This is about the geopolitics of the US and the US via NATO provoking the popular war, not about answering your bogus question. What's "both-siderism" about that? Russia didn't provoke a war- the US did. You're misusing the banal term 'whataboutism' as a way to avoid accountability for the US's huge role in creating the circumstances for this popular war. Do you have any more meaningless buzzwords you'd like to try using for an argument?
So you don't want to face the reality of 2023.
They couldn't pay me enough Rubles to keep posting thread after thread after thread after thread all with the same boring theme.And there it is. The Russian propaganda argument that NATO is the real aggressor. You support Putin and his illegal war. I thought you were truly anti-war?
And there it is. The Russian propaganda argument that NATO is the real aggressor. You support Putin and his illegal war. I thought you were truly anti-war?
It's you who doesn't want to face the realities of the current era. This is the let's try to prevent environmental collapse and/or nuclear war era, not the US is savior era, which directly contradicts preventing environmental collapse and nuclear war.
I am anti-war, that's why I'm against provoking wars and against expanding US militarism to half-ass try to stop a war.
You are neutral in the side of oppression, and therefore you favor the oppressor.
Not all problems can be solved by singing kumbayah or whatever it is the "no more war" crowd demands. Sometimes you have to fight.
Russia and Putin have no interest in peace. Trying to be antiwar only enables their aggression.You are neutral in the side of oppression, and therefore you favor the oppressor.
Not all problems can be solved by singing kumbayah or whatever it is the "no more war" crowd demands. Sometimes you have to fight.
Here's the most important part of a discussion from 2008. This person's assessment of the geopolitics of NATO expansion is fairly accurate. Everyone who doesn't include these contexts and considerations is inaccurate. "But Russia invaded Ukraine" is just one of many ways that people try but fail to counter this argument.
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Russia and Putin have no interest in peace. Trying to be antiwar only enables their aggression.
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