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Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.
I haven't really paid attention since Wednesday, I guess they've grown.What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Customs Union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.
BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com
You make it sound like Westerners unfairly demonize Russia.Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.
Symbolic gesture that they want to cut ties with Russia, and not having to be dependent on the Russian economy.
What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.
BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com
Edit: The AP is estimating a crowd of at least 500,000.
Can you link to those polls please, as your second link requires subscription to view the article.
Fallen.
What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.
BBC News - Ukraine's capital Kiev gripped by huge pro-EU demonstration
Poll Finds Ukrainians Favor EU Pact - WSJ.com
Edit: The AP is estimating a crowd of at least 500,000.
Thank you, but never-mind, I just ended-up Googling it.
The poll was conducted among only 1000 respondents of 16+...not really an adequate sample for a country with 40+ million population.
Moreover, the polling company fails to mention which cities and regions they conducted the poll in...but they still somehow make the claim that the poll is an accurate representation of age, region, etc... of Ukraine's population?!?
Cheers,
Fallen.
Fair enough what polls have you seen that suggest otherwise?
'Coz who'd ever actually want to smash a statue of Lenin, right?
I wouldnt. But ok.
Its only a plane ticket away, comrade. Utopia can't be much further!
Lenin didnt believe in utopia neither do i
He did during the revolution. JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
Political fervor, no doubt.
At the heart of fascism lies state control of the economy. In this type of socialism, the government dictates economic decisions and the ostensible business owners must obey its orders. It was precisely this pattern that Mises found in Nazism, and, unfortunately, it has become increasingly prevalent in America today.
Lenin didnt believe in utopia neither do i
Wow. Did they just learn that the Soviet Union disbanded?
I hadn't read Mises before but after seeing this I certainly will.
The filthy idols are still scattered around many towns in the Ukraine and Russia. The officials are hesitant to remove them all: in Russia (and around Donetsk), because it would infuriate the still-potent Communist minority; in the Ukraine, because it would be seen as an act of anti-Russian defiance.
His mummy is still on display in that weird ziggurat on the Red Square in Moscow, you know. Surreal and deeply offensive, in what is supposed to be an Orthodox Christian country - even if it were not a body of a tyrant guilty of countless murders of innocents.
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