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Protect the Free World, Stop Iran Now!

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:lol: are these guys serious? what's described here is a friggin MEU - they go through the Suez all the time. like, literally probably around 6 times a year. and that's just the MEU's - which is a minor (though important) part of the fleet. heck, i went with the USS Iwo Jima through the Suez in 2008 and again in 2009. the Navy goes through there on a constant basis. the 5th Fleet (again) has been off of Iran's coast since (as far as i can recall) the 60's. if they are getting reinforced (a move which i would wholeheartedly approve), then that might be newsworthy, but not as part of a regular rotation schedule.


in other news today, the US Army is sending recruits to boot camp, a growing indication that they intend to invade China with a land army.... :D
 
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How will you sleep at night, knowing that Al-Qaeda's best friend has nuclear weapons?

Hope you aren't talking about Iran there. Al-Qaeda hates Iran about as much as they hate the US. When we first went into Afghanistan after 9/11, Iran was one of our biggest allies in the region. It wasn't until we invaded Iraq that things went south between us. Even with that though, Iran and Al-Qaeda still hate each other.
 

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Hope you aren't talking about Iran there. Al-Qaeda hates Iran about as much as they hate the US.

:lol::lol::lol:

the first sign that someone doesn't know what they are talking about. how do you explain Dr.Zawahiris multiple links to Iran, fella? crosstraining?

When we first went into Afghanistan after 9/11, Iran was one of our biggest allies in the region.

HAH.


WRONG

It wasn't until we invaded Iraq that things went south between us. Even with that though, Iran and Al-Qaeda still hate each other.

lol, yeah, it wasn't until 03 that things wen't south. nossir. nope not atall. why, that 1979 capture of all those embassy personnel, the 1983 Marine Barracks Bombing, etc. etc. etc. etc.... why they never happened, right?
 

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seriously, iran, b uig frigging deal, no didaea nnow howmuch yet, but seriously, friggin iran, big deal man, you gottoa friggin be ready man iran is cfrfuggin coming man, they want that stffu and the'yre gobna aTAKE it man, seriously.
 

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Hope you aren't talking about Iran there. Al-Qaeda hates Iran about as much as they hate the US. When we first went into Afghanistan after 9/11, Iran was one of our biggest allies in the region. It wasn't until we invaded Iraq that things went south between us. Even with that though, Iran and Al-Qaeda still hate each other.

...all I can say is WHAT THE ****? :shock:
 

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:lol::lol::lol:

the first sign that someone doesn't know what they are talking about. how do you explain Dr.Zawahiris multiple links to Iran, fella? crosstraining?
That connection is doubtable at best. One agent said that, even though Zawahiris himself has publically held America and Iran on the same level.



HAH.


WRONG

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's gulf of misunderstanding with US

In the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, there were some tentative steps.

In Iran, vast crowds turned out on the streets and held candlelit vigils for the victims. Sixty-thousand spectators respected a minute's silence at Tehran's football stadium.

Taleban soldiers on the Iran border, 2001
Iran came close to a war with the Taleban

Some of Iran's leaders also sensed an opportunity. America quickly fixed its sights on the Taleban in Afghanistan with whom the Iranians had nearly come to war just three years earlier.

With a common enemy in the Taleban, the two found grounds to co-operate.

After the Afghan war, US negotiators worked closely with Iranian counterparts to form a new Afghan government.

lol, yeah, it wasn't until 03 that things wen't south. nossir. nope not atall. why, that 1979 capture of all those embassy personnel, the 1983 Marine Barracks Bombing, etc. etc. etc. etc.... why they never happened, right?

They happened, but we got all friendly. with Iran the moment your man Ronald Reagan started selling them military equipement to help them win the Iran-Iraq war.
 

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That connection is doubtable at best. One agent said that, even though Zawahiris himself has publically held America and Iran on the same level.

hmmm. it's not. which is hardly a surprise; Iran is perfectly willing to work with and support Hamas. but okay, you run with that.

They happened, but we got all friendly. with Iran the moment your man Ronald Reagan started selling them military equipement to help them win the Iran-Iraq war.

:lol: when they're not accusing him of supporting Iraq in that war, they are accusing him of supporting Iran :roll:

what was it Kissinger said about that war? 'It's just too bad they both can't lose.'?
 

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Doesn't make Iran one of the USA's biggest allies by any stretch of the imagination...

it doesn't make them anything; Iran has a vested interest in improving the standing of the shia anti-taliban troops that they supported, and of course they are willing to adopt a hegemonic role in the region. this is the revolution who'se slogan was Death To America; their regime is not and will never be our friend, only our enemy.
 

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it doesn't make them anything; Iran has a vested interest in improving the standing of the shia anti-taliban troops that they supported, and of course they are willing to adopt a hegemonic role in the region. this is the revolution who'se slogan was Death To America; their regime is not and will never be our friend, only our enemy.

I disagree that they will only remain our enemy. 70% of Iranians are under thirty years old and they are becoming more and more pro-Western with regards to ideas, freedoms and fashion. Women are forming underground movements for equality as well. If they can just get rid of the old hard core fundamentalists running the government, we would easily get along just as we do with Turkey.
 

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I disagree that they will only remain our enemy. 70% of Iranians are under thirty years old and they are becoming more and more pro-Western with regards to ideas, freedoms and fashion. Women are forming underground movements for equality as well. If they can just get rid of the old hard core fundamentalists running the government, we would easily get along just as we do with Turkey.

therein lies the sticking point. the womens' underground isn't hell-bent on building nukes or supportiong tertiary organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. this is sort of like saying "if everyone just got along there wouldn't be any war".
 

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therein lies the sticking point. the womens' underground isn't hell-bent on building nukes or supportiong tertiary organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. this is sort of like saying "if everyone just got along there wouldn't be any war".

Regarding that they will only remain our enemy, it doesn't have to do much with, "if everyone just got along" since the point is that the majority of Iranians are pro-Western.
 

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Regarding that they will only remain our enemy, it doesn't have to do much with, "if everyone just got along" since the point is that the majority of Iranians are pro-Western.

and - as i think the last 'election' generally proved - that doesn't matter in the slightest. Qods and their masters will continue to work with Hezbollah, the Badrists, and Shia groups in Afghanistan; as well as AQ umbrella (the enemy of my enemy....), Hugo Chavez, the ALBA alliance, Russia, China, etc.
 

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and - as i think the last 'election' generally proved - that doesn't matter in the slightest. Qods and their masters will continue to work with Hezbollah, the Badrists, and Shia groups in Afghanistan; as well as AQ umbrella (the enemy of my enemy....), Hugo Chavez, the ALBA alliance, Russia, China, etc.

You are a 'glass is half empty' kinda guy, huh?

It matters because if the people are pro-Western and they demand change (be it revolution or protest) they will get it... hence, it matters.
 

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You are a 'glass is half empty' kinda guy, huh?

when predicting the near future; a full understanding of the past is generally the best guide. Qods and their masters in the Regime have the capability, the intent to do so; and benefit from a complete lack of opponents with the capability and intent to stop or even severely degrade them. that equals Most Likely Course Of Action.

It matters because if the people are pro-Western and they demand change (be it revolution or protest) they will get it... hence, it matters.

really.

how did that work for the Iranians last summer when they demanded that their voices be heard vis-a-vie a publicly and blatantly stolen election?

only one thing will cause a change in the policy of the Iranian regime, and that is either force or the credible threat therein (and quite possibly not even that). the Iranian regime goes to alot of cost and sacrificed efficiency to maintain the Basij and the IRGC forces for very good reason; and it has little if anything to do with handling external threat forces.
 
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