Prostitution

[DDD]

I just learned that there are people who genuinely cannot create intimate or sexual relations with others in a normal way, but they meet their needs through prostitutes however they can.

And since they are inflicted with what many think of as a personality flaw of that nature, if they cannot avail themselves of a sex worker, their behavior changes for the worse.

They may be neurotic. It makes sense that they might change for the worse, (theoretically), if they are neurotics. But here you are claiming to have made an observation of the change for the worse, which makes it rather interesting!

So, you have observed the change for the worse you say? To what worse outcomes did it went?

 

[Bum]

Prostitution

Dont care....people should be free to do as they please so long as it harms no others.

 

[Crovax]

It's wrong because reasons.



Switching to serious mode, it is my opinion that prostitution should be fully legal and regulated.

Put the pimps out of business by making legal prostitution a better option.

Pornography and stripping are legal and pimps still exist in those businesses and the girls working them still have all the same problems as prostitutes

 

[Wayne Jr]

Prostitution is illegal in most US states but:


Is there any valid argument against prostitution?

When legalized, it brings a bunch of problems with it. Unless there is a real bill being proposed, which you should have linked to in your OP, it's not worth discussing. If there is no real pending legislation of prostitution then, it's illegal, that's just the way it is, move on.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Dont care....people should be free to do as they please so long as it harms no others.

That's the problem, tho...prostitution does harm others, namely through physical/drug abuse and human trafficking, but if there are no policy changes moving through the system then there's nothing to talk about. It's illegal. End of story.

 

[joko104]

It's wrong because reasons.



Switching to serious mode, it is my opinion that prostitution should be fully legal and regulated.

Put the pimps out of business by making legal prostitution a better option.

By making the government a pimp forcing poor women to be prostitutes or denying them any social programs help declaring they refuse to work an available job? That appears the TRUE opinion of women by many people.

I do seem to remember the Democratic Party declaring Storm Daniels was the perfect model for teenage girls to follow.

 

[Logician Man]

By making the government a pimp forcing poor women to be prostitutes or denying them any social programs help declaring they refuse to work an available job? That appears the TRUE opinion of women by many people.

I do seem to remember the Democratic Party declaring Storm Daniels was the perfect model for teenage girls to follow.

I don't recall the Democratic Party declaring Daniels was the perfect model for teenage girls to follow. Can you please provide a link to support your claim ? However, I do recall her describing POTUS's penis after she had an affair with POTUS, who clearly was married at the time. What a great role model for teenage boys to embrace and follow later in life...especially when POTUS sets the standards. NOT!...

 

[holbritter]

Prostitution is illegal in most US states but:


Is there any valid argument against prostitution ?

None that I'm aware of.

 

[sangha]

Sexual trafficking isn't prostitution, as it isn't consensual.

correct, but a straw man as I never equated the two.

Smoking leads to cancer, but the two are not the same thing

 

[marke]

Prostitution is illegal in most US states but:


Is there any valid argument against prostitution ?

Immoral sex. Illicit drugs. Alcoholism. Murder. What is it that makes the consequences of sin so hard to understand among leftist liberals? Do they not know about STDs? Divorce? Jealousy? Loss of jobs and income? Long term sicknesses and disability which must be paid for by those who are not sick and disabled?

 

[Bum]

That's the problem, tho...prostitution does harm others, namely through physical/drug abuse and human trafficking, but if there are no policy changes moving through the system then there's nothing to talk about. It's illegal. End of story.

Not illegal everywhere, and the bottom line is adults must be free to make thier own choices; contrary to popular belief, I am not my brothers/sisters keeper, neither am I their moral authority to sit in judgement.

 

[sangha]

so then you have documentation of increased sex trafficking in Nevada as compared to the rest of the country?

Stats are impossible to verify for nevada because there are no before numbers to compare

 

[Logician Man]

Immoral sex. Illicit drugs. Alcoholism. Murder. What is it that makes the consequences of sin so hard to understand among leftist liberals? Do they not know about STDs? Divorce? Jealousy? Loss of jobs and income? Long term sicknesses and disability which must be paid for by those who are not sick and disabled?

Are you really so naive you think all of these actions are exclusive to leftist liberals?. What are your feelings about our 'Conservative' POTUS who has cheated on all three of his wives ( two divorces.....so far), tried to have his own daughter Tiffany aborted, untold instances of immoral sex, racial discrimination, over 6000 fact checked lies to the American populace in less than 2 yrs.of disgracing the Oval Office? Are you intellectually honest enough to call out Trump for doing the very same things you call out liberals for doing?

 

[sangha]

This is the wrong question to be asking. We should never consider what good making something legal does. It should always be what ill are we preventing from making something illegal, and does preventing that ill outweigh freedoms and positive results, or prevent the violation of the rights of other than the one doing the action.

As a libertarian, I can understand why you minimize the power of govt to regulate human behavior in order to promote the social well being. However, that motivation has been considered a legitimate governmental interest since governments have been formed.

And as Me Leo pointed out, making prostitution illegal does not infringe on anyones right to have sex. It only prevents them from being paid for it and regulating commerce is a legitimate governmental power.

 

[sangha]

Since sex districts are regulated, you would have to instead say that "LOCATIONS which allow prostitution see an increase in sex trafficking" however since it is legal in those locations, any trafficking which occurs outside of those legal markets is easily detected and prosecuted, often to the fullest extent of the law.

Locations which allow pot dispensaries see an increase in pot purchases....IN the pot dispensaries.

There are NO "places" in the USA that just "allow prostitution".
In the eight Nevada counties that allow it, it's heavily regulated, VERY heavily.
Setting up a legal brothel in Nevada is almost as difficult as opening a casino.

If it were easy to eliminate sexual slavery, it would not exist

 

[maquiscat]

When legalized, it brings a bunch of problems with it. Unless there is a real bill being proposed, which you should have linked to in your OP, it's not worth discussing. If there is no real pending legislation of prostitution then, it's illegal, that's just the way it is, move on.

Wow! There's a cop out. What the law is, is irrelevant to a discussion of what the law should be. It is very much worth discussing. Such discussions can be what bring about the changes in law.

You have multiple examples, in the US and around the world of where prostitution is legal. If it is that bad, you can surely provide evidence of how things are worse instead of better when contrasted to areas that make prostitution illegal. I would say stick to first world countries, as being third world provides skewing problems of it own.

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[DaveFagan]

Not being religious, I would not consider it "valid" either. However, I think we atheists do a great disservice to humanity by forgoing moral principles. It is why I remain a conservative in my moral outlook while still being a materialist. If anything, conservative morals are what can preserve society and allow greater happiness and prosperity in the here and now, because there will be no justice or reward for the downtrodden and miserable in the hereafter.

I would argue that prostitution should remain illegal on the basis that selling one's own organs should remain illegal: However regulated it may be, it creates perverse incentives that leaves the most vulnerable people open to legalized exploitation by the very worst people in society. To give one's body freely and consensually is one thing, in the same way that to give one's organs or blood to another person. To sell one's body and to commodify one's humanity is a dangerous road to go down.

It's OK to donate or sell a kidney to help someone, but not OK to rent a little ***** or a pecker to help someone. Is that OK?
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[joko104]

It is only this degradation of women that people declare freedom of choice - nothing else.

Shouldn't OSHA be eliminated? Isn't it the right of anyone to work at any job and decide for themselves about safety?

Certainly all auto safety laws should be eliminated as it is everyone's right to decide whether or not they want to pay thousands more for safety features.

The Department of Agriculture definitely must be abolished. Why can't poor people be able to buy a little more food and make food safety choices themselves?

How dare the FDA ban people from getting drugs without a prescription? A lot of people can't afford the doctor's visit. Why don't I get to decide what drugs I want to take including prescriptions?

The AMA and FDA has no business telling doctors what they can do.

Absolutely all licensing of all professionals must be eliminated. It is my choice whether or not I care if electricians, plumbers, doctors, dentists or anyone is government approved.

And the BAR Association and licensing lawyers certainly shouldn't be required to represent someone in court. If I want my best bud to speak on my behalf, with even my freedom and life at stake, what right does the government have to deny me that personal choice?

But no, all that personal choice freedom should be denied. What matters is how to get poor women into prostitution calling it personal choice freedom.

As for eliminating pimps? Legalizing prostitution doesn't eliminate pimps whatsoever. It makes them 100% legal. Only a fool buys into that claim.

 

[joko104]

It's wrong because reasons.



Switching to serious mode, it is my opinion that prostitution should be fully legal and regulated.

Put the pimps out of business by making legal prostitution a better option.

What an absurd statement. Legalizing prostitution would NOT put pimps out of business. It would legalize pimping out young women.

 

[Felis Leo]

It's OK to donate or sell a kidney to help someone, but not OK to rent a little ***** to help someone. Is that OK?
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Actually, it is illegal to sell your kidney to someone pursuant to the National Organ Transplant Act of 1984, DaveFagan. You can freely donate an organ, or declare you want your organs donated after your untimely death. But you cannot be bribed into selling your organs on the open market, because it creates a situation in which vulnerable and impoverished people were forced to sell their body parts at the cost of future debilitation and possible death.

 

[joko104]

Nope, there are no valid arguments for jailing people for their personal choices.

So basically you believe virtually all government regulations, licensing and laws should be abolished as all interfere with personal choices, right?

Certainly no law license should be required to sell legal services and representation and all laws about practicing law without a license should be eliminated because no one should be jailed for their personal choices.

 

[DaveFagan]

Actually, it is illegal to sell your kidney to someone pursuant to the National Organ Transplant Act of 1984, DaveFagan. You can freely donate an organ, or declare you want your organs donated after your untimely death. But you cannot be bribed into selling your organs on the open market, because it creates a situation in which vulnerable and impoverished people were forced to sell their body parts at the cost of future debilitation and possible death.

My bad for lacking clarity. Prostitution is a rental arrangement between consenting adults.
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[Felis Leo]

It is only this degradation of women that people declare freedom of choice - nothing else.

Shouldn't OSHA be eliminated? Isn't it the right of anyone to work at any job and decide for themselves about safety?

Certainly all auto safety laws should be eliminated as it is everyone's right to decide whether or not they want to pay thousands more for safety features.

The Department of Agriculture definitely must be abolished. Why can't poor people be able to buy a little more food and make food safety choices themselves?

How dare the FDA ban people from getting drugs without a prescription? A lot of people can't afford the doctor's visit. Why don't I get to decide what drugs I want to take including prescriptions?

The AMA and FDA has no business telling doctors what they can do.

Absolutely all licensing of all professionals must be eliminated. It is my choice whether or not I care if electricians, plumbers, doctors, dentists or anyone is government approved.

And the BAR Association and licensing lawyers certainly shouldn't be required to represent someone in court. If I want my best bud to speak on my behalf, with even my freedom and life at stake, what right does the government have to deny me that personal choice?

But no, all that personal choice freedom should be denied. What matters is how to get poor women into prostitution calling it personal choice freedom.

As for eliminating pimps? Legalizing prostitution doesn't eliminate pimps whatsoever. It makes them 100% legal. Only a fool buys into that claim.

I find it no shortage of irony that if a desperate woman walks up to a man and offers him oral sex for five dollars, many people on the left would say that allowing her to do so is a form of freedom that should not be denied by the government. But if that same desperate woman went up to that same man and offered to repaint his fence for five dollars an hour, many of the same people who would allow her to prostitute her body would call for her and the man to be arrested for violating minimum wage laws and unconscionable exploitation. :roll:

 

[maquiscat]

That's the problem, tho...prostitution does harm others, namely through physical/drug abuse and human trafficking, but if there are no policy changes moving through the system then there's nothing to talk about. It's illegal. End of story.

End of story. It's the law, deal with it. Lame dodges and circular reasoning. Here is some more example from history.

SSM is illegal. End of story.
Women voting is illegal. End of story.
Interracial marriage is illegal. End of story.
Blacks sitting at the counter is illegal. End of story.

The list could go on. If you got real reasons, present them and back them up. You said it made things worse. You've got Nevada. Show the comparison. Otherwise, your argument sucks, end of story.

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[Felis Leo]

My bad for lacking clarity. Prostitution is a rental arrangement between consenting adults.
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Not a problem, DaveFagan. But my ultimate thought is that I am not quite sure how much "consent" your average prostitute is capable of. If a desperate starving woman offers a man sexual favors in exchange for food for herself and her family, is it really a consensual transaction? Or is the man exploiting the woman in her state of ultimate vulnerability?