• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Prostitution?

Is this Prostitution?


  • Total voters
    10

cpwill

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 20, 2009
Messages
71,661
Reaction score
37,274
Location
USofA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
I'm gonna say yup, this is. Plenty of higher-class prostitutes all over the world also "develop a relationship" with their John. Here in Asia, it's a standard. Going to dinner first doesn't mean you aren't selling sex.

Financial Sex Aid: Florida Co-Eds Seek “Sugar Daddy” for College Degree

...another pretty, young Miami college girl, who does not want to be identified, is more direct, asking specifically for 10 to 20-thousand dollars monthly. The 22-year old claims to be looking for someone who will never say ”NO” to her needs.“The lesson here… ask and you shall receive,” she told Estevez.
“What have they given you?” asked Estevez.
“They have given me cars, trips, jewelry. These guys will take you out and they will court you,” she responded.
Jorge asked “What do these guys do for you?”
“They support you financially… financially,” she replied.
Support is proving to be crucial for a 20-year old sugar baby, who is in college at Florida International University.
“Have they paid your tuition?” asked Estevez.
“Yes Jorge.”
“Books?” he asked.
“Books. Everything,” she responded. “When I say everything… I mean everything.”
In fact, her profile asks for someone to “help a young’in out”. And she is not alone. Numbers compiled by the “seeking arrangement” website showed that in the past six months, FIU ranked 20th in a list of the top universities with “sugar baby” sign ups.
Florida ranked third in the U.S. behind New York and California with 67,815 total users, of all ages. There are just over 1,000,000 and growing .
Our FIU student argued that it’s a way to survive the times.
“I don’t get support from my parents. As soon as I turned 18, they told me I am on my own. I have to figure everything out on my own Jorge.”
“And you discovered this? And you thought…?” asked Estevez.

“My dreams came true Jorge“Your dreams came true,” he repeated.
Then his interview added, “But with every give… there is a take.”
“They give you trips. They pay for school. They give you presents. What do you give them?” asked Estevez.
“Sex,” said the FIU “sugar baby.”
“Just like that,” asked Jorge.
“Just like that,” she said.....

“What do you say to people who say this is a form of prostitution?” asked Estevez of our FIU student.
“That is not true,” she explained. “Prostitution is when you get paid for sex and that is just it. Sex. For this, you build a relationship with someone.”
 

Pinkie

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 16, 2010
Messages
12,316
Reaction score
3,220
Location
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Independent
The problem I have isn't the call girl, though I think there's usually some pretty serious pathology involved in selling your body. The problem I have is with human sex trafficking. I'm not sure there's a way to separate one from the other, and I find the other intolerable.
 

Real Korimyr #9

Not Myself, I'm a Replica of Me
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2006
Messages
20,120
Reaction score
16,168
Location
Cheyenne, WY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Yes, this is prostitution... but as far as prostitution goes, I suppose it is less morally intolerable than other forms.
 

Medusa

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 9, 2011
Messages
39,861
Reaction score
7,851
Location
Turkey
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Other
worse ......................
 

Wiseone

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
12,177
Reaction score
7,551
Location
Ft. Campbell, KY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Not the government's job to legislate morality
 

Jetboogieman

Somewhere in Babylon
Moderator
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 12, 2010
Messages
33,369
Reaction score
38,519
Location
Somewhere in Babylon...
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
People do this.

They do it all the time.

They've done it in the past and they'll do it in the future.

While I don't agree with it in any way, shape or form at least this chick is honest about it.

What you think these two were gonna get married because of Hephners good looks?

Hugh-Hefner-Engaged-500x375.jpg
 

samsmart

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 7, 2009
Messages
10,315
Reaction score
6,468
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
I'm gonna say yup, this is. Plenty of higher-class prostitutes all over the world also "develop a relationship" with their John. Here in Asia, it's a standard. Going to dinner first doesn't mean you aren't selling sex.

So what if it is? The government still shouldn't criminalize it.
 

Connery

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 11, 2012
Messages
5,134
Reaction score
6,122
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
The problem I have isn't the call girl, though I think there's usually some pretty serious pathology involved in selling your body. The problem I have is with human sex trafficking. I'm not sure there's a way to separate one from the other, and I find the other intolerable.


Sex trafficking is a form of slavery where threats, coercion, deceit is used against the victim to have sex and money or something else of value is exchanged by any person for that sex act. Prostitution is a volitional exchange of sex for anything of value. Generally, that is how I differentiate between the two.
 

Connery

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 11, 2012
Messages
5,134
Reaction score
6,122
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
This woman is kidding herself....She is a prostitute. When the money runs out she will be gone. Her "relationship" is based upon a healthy wallet and excellent credit rating.

“What do you say to people who say this is a form of prostitution?” asked Estevez of our FIU student.
“That is not true,” she explained. “Prostitution is when you get paid for sex and that is just it. Sex. For this, you build a relationship with someone.”
 

Gipper

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2008
Messages
25,116
Reaction score
7,658
Location
Theoretical Physics Lab
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
It absolutely is prostitution, it absolutely should be legal, and the woman absolutely should not feel bad. Know who should? These pathetic men who give women all sorts of stuff for little to no reason.

I support her right to drain every cent she can from these idiots, just as I would any woman. She enters a bilateral contract with a random gentleman, and it's not my business, nor is it my right to judge.

You go, girl.
 

cpwill

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 20, 2009
Messages
71,661
Reaction score
37,274
Location
USofA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
So what if it is? The government still shouldn't criminalize it.

.... I'm confused how everyone immediately responded with this.

nowhere in the OP did I ask about criminalization.
 

jambalaya

Cynical Optimist
DP Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2010
Messages
2,481
Reaction score
968
Location
Columbia, SC
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Yes, prostitution. No, I don't have a problem with it though.
 

stsburns

American Infidel
DP Veteran
Joined
May 8, 2005
Messages
1,297
Reaction score
46
Location
Pergatory
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
I was appalled that I posted this story on my FB and got absolutely no response. I have a deserve group of friends, and not even the girls were offended? What ever happened to dignity and self respect? Then again, I know a few girls that would be your whatever if you have the money. I've had my share.
 

Paschendale

Uncanny
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 3, 2010
Messages
12,510
Reaction score
12,605
Location
New York City
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Socialist
The fact that such relationships are hardly new and pretty common all over the world, suggests to me that merging money and sex isn't uncommon. What else is a marriage? It's two people agreeing to pool their money and only have sex with each other. Whether this lasts for two hours or a lifetime, that's what it is. These sugar baby relationships are exactly the same thing. Prostitution is exactly the same thing. Two people sharing money and sex. It's just a question of how long you do it for. Must the two partners be in similar financial states for a relationship to be "okay"? Of course not. That would be absurd. Is Cinderella a whore for marrying Prince Charming? She's poor and he's rich. But they're going to mingle their money and have lots of sex. And before women could own property and control their own finances, every single marriage could be viewed as a kind of prostitution. She had to enter into a sexual relationship in order to have any financial security.

Money and sex have never, ever, been separate issues. Men show off their success and wealth all the time to attract women. Seriously, what's the difference between a basement dwelling loser and a successful, professional man? What's the first difference you think of. The latter has a girlfriend, right? They might both be entirely content with their lives, but only one of those routes leads to sex (most of the time). Money is and always has been a factor in sex. It is incredibly naive to suggest otherwise. It's also just plain stupid to selectively suggest otherwise, so that only certain types of sex and money trading are permissible.

So, in answer to the OP, the actions of these couples is no more or less prostitution than a normal married couple, or someone hiring a call girl, or a cohabiting relationship, or the activities of a street walker. It's all the same. We give each other sex, and we give each other money, and that's all fine with me.
 

barbarian_style

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 28, 2011
Messages
761
Reaction score
154
Location
Existing between 2 entities of darkness
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
Not the government's job to legislate morality

I would like to agree but, having something stolen sucks. In my opinion stealing isn't very moral. The thief, if caught is punished for not having good enough "morals" not to steal. Then the thief will face some corrective sentence that is suppose to help deter these "bad" morals through a "legislated law" saying that stealing is not a moral thing to do.
 
Last edited:

tessaesque

Bring us a shrubbery!
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
15,910
Reaction score
12,629
Location
Plano, Texas
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Other
I dunno...and don't really care. If the relationship works for both people then so be it. As far as I am concerned, there are much more sinister things than a woman willing exchanging sex/time/affection for money/time/care with a willing man...and vice versa.
 

tessaesque

Bring us a shrubbery!
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
15,910
Reaction score
12,629
Location
Plano, Texas
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Other
I would like to agree but, having something stolen sucks. In my opinion stealing isn't very moral. The thief, if caught is punished for not having good enough "morals" not to steal. Then the thief will face some corrective sentence that is suppose to help deter these "bad" morals through a "legislated law" saying that stealing is not a moral thing to do.

Meh. Theft is about attacking the rights of another. You have a right to earn and spend money on material items. Somebody attacks your right to ownership when they steal from you. It doesn't need a "moral" defense to be illegal; it's all about harm. Does theft cause harm? Yes? It's illegal. Boom, done.
 
Top Bottom