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Proof that the border "crisis" is a sham

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Trump has a problem with the truth

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Manufactured Reality TV Drama from our Reality TV President? No....never!
 
Trump was elected by appealing to a large segment of America that has been conditioned by Fox News and talk radio to believe many things — violent crime is skyrocketing, there’s terrorists ariund every corner, immigrants are disease-ridden criminals, “PC” culture is destroying America, etc. — that are fundamentally untrue.

Once he pushes enough of their buttons, they’ll believe anything he says.
 
Trump has a problem with the truth

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That's border apprehensions. How many do not get apprehended? The government bases how many illegals enter the US illegally by the apprehension rate. Figuring that at least the same amount or twice that amount goes through undetected. So, just by your graph alone that is at least 310,531 people entering the US yearly along our borders without going through proper channels and not being apprehended. That is NOT a small amount of people. And it is a drain on resources that we shouldn't have to deal with. Mind you that graph doesn't even represent those that came here legally but have over stayed their visa's.

Is it a crisis? :shrug: I guess that just depends on your political ideology when it comes to border security and illegals. So frankly, you haven't provided any "proof" to back up your belief as you must first define what is to be considered a "crisis" in regards to this subject and get everyone to agree with that definition. And then you have to prove that your definition matches that of the graph and reality.
 
310,531 in 2017 and that's the lowest since 2000 (thanks President Trump).

It hasn't fallen enough.

That's not the point: the point is there is no crisis.

Given that it has been dropping for decades it's only logical it would continue to drop under Trump which proves that Trump is not the reason
 
That's border apprehensions. How many do not get apprehended? The government bases how many illegals enter the US illegally by the apprehension rate. Figuring that at least the same amount or twice that amount goes through undetected. So, just by your graph alone that is at least 310,531 people entering the US yearly along our borders without going through proper channels and not being apprehended. That is NOT a small amount of people. And it is a drain on resources that we shouldn't have to deal with. Mind you that graph doesn't even represent those that came here legally but have over stayed their visa's.

Is it a crisis? :shrug: I guess that just depends on your political ideology when it comes to border security and illegals. So frankly, you haven't provided any "proof" to back up your belief as you must first define what is to be considered a "crisis" in regards to this subject and get everyone to agree with that definition. And then you have to prove that your definition matches that of the graph and reality.

There is another graph showing the number turned away and it follows this graph.
I'll look around for it but the truth is all the numbers are concomitant and proportional

Also the much-touted 4000 terrorists at the border is also a sham

None of the prior presidents called it a crisis and the numbers are much lower than the previous presidents so on that alone we do not have a crisis. In fact the crisis was manufactured to Gin up Trump's base that's all it is, a political ruse , because Trump's base is so stupid
 
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Fan ****ing tastic. If they are catching 310 thousand a year, how many do you think are getting through? Especially considering the expanse of terrain with no fences or barriers that people can just walk through?

And heres the problem with your chart. It doesnt show the number of people here illegally. The popularly accepted figure, despite apprehensions...is 11.5 MILLION. So yeah...THATS a problem. But to assume that number hasnt increased since 2006? that would be stupid.
 
That's not the point: the point is there is no crisis.

Given that it has been dropping for decades it's only logical it would continue to drop under Trump which proves that Trump is not the reason

sigh...

You don't think over 300,000 people...and that's just the ones we've caught...isn't a crisis? Three years of that and we have a million. Ten years of that and that means TEN million tried to get in...illegally.

Now...add to that the character of the people who were caught (hardened criminals, some of them) and the fact that some of them were already deported and they are trying to get back in...and the diseases...etc.

Yeah...there is no justification to be satisfied that Trump has managed to catch 300,000 people in one year. We have to do better.
 
Fan ****ing tastic. If they are catching 310 thousand a year, how many do you think are getting through? Especially considering the expanse of terrain with no fences or barriers that people can just walk through?

And heres the problem with your chart. It doesnt show the number of people here illegally. The popularly accepted figure, despite apprehensions...is 11.5 MILLION. So yeah...THATS a problem. But to assume that number hasnt increased since 2006? that would be stupid.

Who said that the aggregate number of illegals hasn't increased since 2006? The chart presented by the OP doesn't say that. It says that the number of illegal crossings has dropped by year and shows the effectiveness of our current structure of boarder patrol. It is showing that the exaggerated brouhaha is just manufactured outrage and drama. But it doesn't say that there are zero illegal crossings. Just that we're not all going to die from foreign "invaders" like some would have us believe.

As for those who are here, this supposed 11.5 million, a wall isn't going to get rid of them. They're already here.
 
There is another graph showing the number turned away and it follows this graph.
I'll look around for it but the truth is all the numbers are concomitant and proportional

Also the much-touted 4000 terrorists at the border is also a sham

None of the prior presidents called it a crisis and the numbers are much lower than the previous presidents so on that alone we do not have a crisis. In fact the crisis was manufactured to Gin up Trump's base that's all it is, a political ruse , because Trump's base is so stupid


I never mentioned the 4000 terrorists thing. Other things can be considered a crisis that doesn't involve terrorists.

As for that other graph, again, "turned away" means that they were caught attempting to enter the US illegally. It still would not reflect how many actually get through undetected.

As for prior Presidents, for decades now our Presidents have not been doing their job in securing our border. The last one that attempted to do so, Reagan, only signed the amnesty agreement on the condition that certain laws were passed to make our border more secure. Since then many have made those laws ineffective. Illegal immigration is a big business and helps many a corporation. That our prior Presidents have not called it a crisis doesn't mean much, if anything, due to that.
 
Who said that the aggregate number of illegals hasn't increased since 2006? The chart presented by the OP doesn't say that. It says that the number of illegal crossings has dropped by year and shows the effectiveness of our current structure of boarder patrol. It is showing that the exaggerated brouhaha is just manufactured outrage and drama. But it doesn't say that there are zero illegal crossings. Just that we're not all going to die from foreign "invaders" like some would have us believe.

As for those who are here, this supposed 11.5 million, a wall isn't going to get rid of them. They're already here.
Nope...a wall isnt going to get rid of the 20-30 million illegal immigrants. Thats going to have to be dealt with. But as part of the process...we need to take steps to STOP more from coming in...and you know what? That is just ****ing common sense and something EVERYONE agreed with and voted on until Trump proposed a more efficient wall than what has already been built. As soon as that happened, every mindless bitter angry hate filled leftist **** lost their mind, forgot they have supported building walls and fences for decades including the ones they VOTED FOR and are ALREADY IN EXISTENCE and started shrieking about how walls are evil, and racist. ****ing hypocrites, the lot of them.
 
Nope...a wall isnt going to get rid of the 20-30 million illegal immigrants. Thats going to have to be dealt with. But as part of the process...we need to take steps to STOP more from coming in...and you know what? That is just ****ing common sense and something EVERYONE agreed with and voted on until Trump proposed a more efficient wall than what has already been built. As soon as that happened, every mindless bitter angry hate filled leftist **** lost their mind, forgot they have supported building walls and fences for decades including the ones they VOTED FOR and are ALREADY IN EXISTENCE and started shrieking about how walls are evil, and racist. ****ing hypocrites, the lot of them.

Wow, I thought you said it was 11.5. Now it's 20-30 million. Will it be 100+ million in your next post? Man, the dangers of illegal immigration.

lol

We've built walls and barriers, and politicians tended to fund some of that. But not some wall the likes Trump envisions. We've funded boarder security, and the result has been continually decreasing illegal boarder crossings, as shown by the chart. Sure, we need to keep funding appropriate forces and technology to police and protect the boarder. Have reasonable and proper law and enforcement inside the country to police those that do get across. But by no means does it mean we need an East Germany style wall or that such a wall is the most efficient use of money to combat the falling numbers of boarder crossings.
 
310,531 in 2017 and that's the lowest since 2000 (thanks President Trump).

It hasn't fallen enough.

Call me when it's less than 1000. You know, the leftists love to tell us how much border arrests have decreased, yet 200,000 is a HUGE number. It's like saying you're a little bit pregnant.
Our facilities are overburdened to the point we have no more room left and our agents are taxed to the max.
Enough. Build the f'in wall system.
 
Wow, I thought you said it was 11.5. Now it's 20-30 million. Will it be 100+ million in your next post? Man, the dangers of illegal immigration.

lol

We've built walls and barriers, and politicians tended to fund some of that. But not some wall the likes Trump envisions. We've funded boarder security, and the result has been continually decreasing illegal boarder crossings, as shown by the chart. Sure, we need to keep funding appropriate forces and technology to police and protect the boarder. Have reasonable and proper law and enforcement inside the country to police those that do get across. But by no means does it mean we need an East Germany style wall or that such a wall is the most efficient use of money to combat the falling numbers of boarder crossings.
I said the popularly accepted figure...and that was given in 2006 and hasnt changed, which is ridiculous and everyone knows it.

As to your second part...we HAVE built walls and barriers. And no one REALLY knows what the wall Trump wants to see built looks like beyond the desire that it be EFFECTIVE. But it is ****ing LAUGHABLE that you and others are FINE with walls and fences...as long as they are ineffective and dont do ****.
 
Who said that the aggregate number of illegals hasn't increased since 2006? The chart presented by the OP doesn't say that. It says that the number of illegal crossings has dropped by year and shows the effectiveness of our current structure of boarder patrol. It is showing that the exaggerated brouhaha is just manufactured outrage and drama. But it doesn't say that there are zero illegal crossings. Just that we're not all going to die from foreign "invaders" like some would have us believe.

As for those who are here, this supposed 11.5 million, a wall isn't going to get rid of them. They're already here.
Tell that to all the angel families in America whose loved ones are no longer with them. Tell that to Ron Singh's widow and 5-month old son, whose father was murdered in cold blood by an illegal alien. Tell that to Nabra Hassanen's parents who have to live knowing their daughter was brutally beaten, raped and murdered at the hands of an illegal alien.
How many more Americans have to die?
 
I said the popularly accepted figure...and that was given in 2006 and hasnt changed, which is ridiculous and everyone knows it.

As to your second part...we HAVE built walls and barriers. And no one REALLY knows what the wall Trump wants to see built looks like beyond the desire that it be EFFECTIVE. But it is ****ing LAUGHABLE that you and others are FINE with walls and fences...as long as they are ineffective and dont do ****.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Looks like the number is about 10.7 million in 2016.

I'm OK with boarder security, and obviously what we have been doing has been effective as the number of illegal crossings has been falling. Not quite sure why you think hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty is going to win you this argument.
 
Wow, I thought you said it was 11.5. Now it's 20-30 million. Will it be 100+ million in your next post? Man, the dangers of illegal immigration.

lol

We've built walls and barriers, and politicians tended to fund some of that. But not some wall the likes Trump envisions. We've funded boarder security, and the result has been continually decreasing illegal boarder crossings, as shown by the chart. Sure, we need to keep funding appropriate forces and technology to police and protect the boarder. Have reasonable and proper law and enforcement inside the country to police those that do get across. But by no means does it mean we need an East Germany style wall or that such a wall is the most efficient use of money to combat the falling numbers of boarder crossings.

But he's AFRAID of brown people changing the voting demographics and undoing all of the Redmap gerrymandering, and that's a CRISIS! Obviously we're wrong, cuz Trump's base is AFRAID! I mean they tell us all the time we're wrong not to like tryump so obviously their fears constitute a national emergency! The need a nappy in their safe spaces with their guns at hand. Libruls are just so EVIL for not soothing their fears and seeing hopw importent of a CRISIS it truly is. Oh the HUMANITY!:roll:
 
Tell that to all the angel families in America whose loved ones are no longer with them. Tell that to Ron Singh's widow and 5-month old son, whose father was murdered in cold blood by an illegal alien. Tell that to Nabra Hassanen's parents who have to live knowing their daughter was brutally beaten, raped and murdered at the hands of an illegal alien.
How many more Americans have to die?

You're probably going to have to at least get on the order of drunk driving. You think that any of those numbers are going to be zero ever? So what's this emotional appeal here? Certainly we should work on boarder security, and we should be interested in reducing ALL violent crime as well. But this "how many more Americans have to die" nonsense. Over 10K people were killed in 2017 due to drunk driving. Yet booze is still legal here. Why don't we make it illegal! How many more Americans have to die!?

lol

This form of emotional appeal is weak sauce at best.
 
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Looks like the number is about 10.7 million in 2016.

I'm OK with boarder security, and obviously what we have been doing has been effective as the number of illegal crossings has been falling. Not quite sure why you think hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty is going to win you this argument.
Because surely, illegal immigrants are responding to the census bureau...

:roll:

Sure. EVERY leftist is for 'border security'...just so long as it doesnt actually do anything to secure the border.
 
But he's AFRAID of brown people changing the voting demographics and undoing all of the Redmap gerrymandering, and that's a CRISIS! Obviously we're wrong, cuz Trump's base is AFRAID! I mean they tell us all the time we're wrong not to like tryump so obviously their fears constitute a national emergency! The need a nappy in their safe spaces with their guns at hand. Libruls are just so EVIL for not soothing their fears and seeing hopw importent of a CRISIS it truly is. Oh the HUMANITY!:roll:
Do you support illegal immigration?

I think your argument re 'brown people' exposes just how ****ing pathetic and impotent your arguments actually are. Its embarrassing that all you know is "thats RACIST".
 
Do you support illegal immigration?

I think your argument re 'brown people' exposes just how ****ing pathetic and impotent your arguments actually are. Its embarrassing that all you know is "thats RACIST".

What's embarassing is that you are PISSING YOURSEL IN TERROR of it. It's also pathetic that you have to jump all over the racism thing. Fear of losing a voting majority doesn't necessarily equal racism, but it's still fear, which is what you guys are full of.:roll:

Without dog whistles and fear mongering the GOP woouldn't have a "platform" much less a base. :2rofll:
 
Going with "crisis" is just as much of a political distinction as suggesting the wall solves the problem.

Apprehensions are down but they are not entirely gone, and that does not include those who made it in without apprehension. On that second part it is near impossible to know how many came in year to year even though we have indication the numbers have slowed (sources vary on this.)

That said there is an issue, call it a "crisis" if you need to, on what is happening with those apprehended. What happens to those families, what happens with those kids once separated from, those that have died while in US custody, the list goes on.

The black eye here on this nation is how we are handling this.

Immigration needs reform, our borders need to be secure... the rest is political spin machine on when it is a "crisis" or not, or when a national emergency action is declared or not, or how we define what secure borders are.

All we are doing is clouding the debate then patting ourselves on the back for taking a punch at political opposition.

Do I think Trump and Republicans are hyping this up for political reasons? Absolutely, but we have an issue that frankly both sides have been ignoring for long enough.
 
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