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Proof God Exists: Here is my 11-Step Logical Proof. Enjoy.

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Ladies and gentlemen, a couple of years ago, I devised a logical proof God exists. It is based on the Good Fruits argument, using canonized saints of the Catholic Church, who are universally recognized as great people because they lived among the people they served, and usually endured harsh situations at some point in life. All had strong prayer lives, and daily prayer interaction with God. There are a few postulates which must be accepted on their face. Here is my proof. I hope it will lead a few atheists to conversion back to God.

1. Postulate #1: A wise person is a good (virtuous) person and a good person is a wise person.
2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.
3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.
4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.
5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.
6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.
7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.
8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.
9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.
10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.
 
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Do you guys get together just to regurgitate the same nonsense. Already debunked numerous times and proves that you just copy other people's work.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beliefs-and-skepticism/373366-proof-god.html?highlight=proof
 

You would need to prove 1. Why couldn't a person be wise and evil? "He was wise not to leave any traces of his DNA at the murder scene."

You would need to prove 2. Why couldn't a person help at the local food bank during the week, but go on killing sprees on the weekends?

4. is just substituting the meaning of word "Truth" with the word "Wisdom". Then the meaning of the word "Wisdom" is switched back to it's common meaning later in the argument.

You would need to prove Postulate #4. Many people say Mother Theresa was an evil person. And what does "Universally recognized by the majority of people" mean? Is it Universal or is it a simple majority?
 
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Praxas said:
Do you guys get together just to regurgitate the same nonsense. Already debunked numerous times and proves that you just copy other people's work.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beliefs-and-skepticism/373366-proof-god.html?highlight=proof
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You don’t get it as much anymore these days but many years ago people would repost chain emails they got from family, friends or perhaps church or conservative mailing lists that they thought were epiphanies.

Both strike me as something along those lines.
 

This is 100% original. You've never seen it before.
 

Because evil always ends bad in the end. Wisdom is inherently good.
 
Oh well, here we go again.

First I like to see if you can defend that claim about good person with bible. As far as I know bible, Jesus asked "why you call me good? only God is good" (just from my memory, you'll find it from bible), so if someone is good he/she better be something really special, right? By bible standards only God is good. There goes your idea about saints, Catholic saint isn't good person by bible standards.

Your argumentation is destroyed with bible. Have a nice day.
 

You cannot uses Postulate statements as "logic proof" without some system of process behind them, which is why outside of science most often these statements are nothing more than beliefs used to structure definitions. Every single one of your statements, without exception, is what you would like to believe is so. But, that does not make any one of them so.

You believe God exists, and you probably do within the confines of your systems of belief which is the underline fault in everyone trying to do what you have done.
 

Except, of course, the chain mail started 2500 years ago, and every interation of the 'proof of God' has the same flaws, and is the same argument, stated in a slighly different manner for the current group of naive fools.
 

Why go through all this trouble when you can simply cite the existence of the banana?
 

I did enjoy it, very funny.
 
St. Elmo is the patron saint of tickling.
 
This is why it is utter drivel;

Uh, er eh? Not really... just drivel.
2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.
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Nope. Not at all. Just because you can trust your friend with your money does not mean you can trust him with your wife.
3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.
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Obviously utterly wrong. Plain stupidity. Just because a person can do high level physics does not mean he can be a good president.
4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.
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Er, no. Different words have different meanings. Get a grip.
5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.
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You have never read any history at all have you? See Saint Olaf.
6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.
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Nope, Saint George was not even Christian.
7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.
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Never done any sort of thinking at all before have you? This is beyond silly.
8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.
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Is this for real?
9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.
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Given utterly stupid people believe in God (well some of them are stupid) it must be a stupid thing to believe? Nope logic does not work that way.
10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.
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I have seen people on Utube swaying that when they were religious they would say things that were plainly stupid and not be able to recognize that they stufff they were saying was stupid. This takes the biscute though. I think it must be a wind up.
 

Sorry. I didn't finish. 2. People usually aren't great in one area and nasty in all others. For good people, the 'good' courses through in everything they do. By universally recognized, I mean by the vast majority of reasonable people, not the atheist cranks who hate everything decent.
 

Do you know what the word proof means? Your blanket statements are very amusing.
 
Yesterday (Sept. 23), Pope Francis canonized Junipero Serra, the man who first brought Catholicism to California. The move has sparked controversy because Serra was tied to a system that decimated the population of Native Americans.

But Junipero Serra is far from the most controversial saint out there. Though many people see the saints as a group of supernaturally perfect goody-two-shoes unstained by even the slightest bad deed, the true communion of saints is a motley bunch.

"The saints were not perfect. They're exactly like us," said Thomas Craughwell, the author of "Saints Behaving Badly: The Cutthroats, Crooks, Trollops, Con Men and Devil-Worshippers Who Became Saints". "They committed sins. They had bad habits. They did stupid stuff."


Holy Dream Team? The Most Notorious Catholic Saints | Live Science
 
His argument should convince every Hindu in the world to embrace Catholicism!
 
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
 
Where didn't you study logic?
 
RAMOSS said:
Except, of course, the chain mail started 2500 years ago, and every interation of the 'proof of God' has the same flaws, and is the same argument, stated in a slighly different manner for the current group of naive fools.
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"Naive fools"? Where do you get off calling the likes of Hartshorne, Godel, and Plantinga "naive fools"?
 
Ingenious.
Of course, those in your target audience who have little or no understanding of virtue or wisdom will not get it. And because they don't get it, they will, as is their wont, jeer.
 
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