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There are two types of Progressive Liberals:

1. Socialists attempting to lie about what they are.

2. Useful Idiots who join up because they think it’s cool or they like a social issue (abortion, gay rights). But they don’t realize they are giving support to the most destructive political/economic ideology the world has ever seen.

A close examination of the governing platforms of both Socialism and Communism shows the absolute only difference between the two is Socialist try to claim they can function without a Totalitarian Dictatorship.

The problem with that is Socialism is so antithetical to human nature that people have to be forced to do it. This can only happen with an all powerful centralized government controlling everything AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.
 

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Re: Progressive Liberals

There are two types of Progressive Liberals:

1. Socialists attempting to lie about what they are.

2. Useful Idiots who join up because they think it’s cool or they like a social issue (abortion, gay rights). But they don’t realize they are giving support to the most destructive political/economic ideology the world has ever seen.

A close examination of the governing platforms of both Socialism and Communism shows the absolute only difference between the two is Socialist try to claim they can function without a Totalitarian Dictatorship.

The problem with that is Socialism is so antithetical to human nature that people have to be forced to do it. This can only happen with an all powerful centralized government controlling everything AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.

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Re: Progressive Liberals

The problem with that is Socialism is so antithetical to human nature that people have to be forced to do it. This can only happen with an all powerful centralized government controlling everything AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.

Capitalism needs that threat of force as well, though. Without a strong government or security force protecting the rich minority what would stop the workers from taking over the means of production? Without the threat of government force unions would kick the owners to the curb.
 

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:popcorn2:
 

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This Ideology no matter what you call it; Socialism, Communism, Progressive or Liberal over the last 100 years has caused more misery, death and destruction than any religion or other political ideology. If a person had a time machine they could go back kill Hitler and save millions of lives, or they could kill Karl Marx and save billions of lives.
 

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specify what I got wrong Paleocon?

Well, for one thing, Bernie Sanders doesn't lie about his socialist bent. #2 doesn't apply to him because he has been a socialist pretty much all of his life. By the way insulting people makes for a very weak debate position.
 

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Limited Power Government and Free Market Capitalism are not perfect but they made America the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history. The only time America has really stumbled and stagnated is when Big Government Socialist Policies started dominating.
 

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specify what I got wrong Paleocon?

You did not substantiate the claim that socialists are liars. Trying to psychoanalyze political opponents is problematic because it distracts from substantive issues.
 

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Limited Power Government and Free Market Capitalism are not perfect but they made America the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history. The only time America has really stumbled and stagnated is when Big Government Socialist Policies started dominating.

1929.
 

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@fmw.....Bernie just lies about what Socialism is.
 

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@Palecon..........That entire ideology is based on a lie. Notice they have to constantly rename themselves : Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Progressive. Now some are even claiming they are Libertarians. The latest Propaganda/Lie is to expand the definition of Socialism to include all Government functions.
 

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1929 was caused by the actions of the FED not the Free Market, Nice try.

FDR policies are what made it the GREAT Depression.
Wrong.

The 1929 Stock Market crash happened because it was a market that was overbought, overvalued and excessively bullish, rising even as economic conditions were not supporting the advance. Added to the fact that there were no government regulations to prevent the crash from happening.
 

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Re: Progressive Liberals

I miss the Liberal Democrats of previous years.

The ones who were proud to take on the position 'I don't agree in the least with your position, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

I had much more respect for them and their positions than the Liberal Progressives now a days who seems to be using the excessive PC movement as a cudgel to suppress and punish anyone that disagrees with them and their ideology.

They typically self-identify themselves with their immediate accusatory and typically unfounded cries of 'Bigot', 'Homophobe', 'Islamophobe' and 'Racist', again against anyone that disagrees with them.

At least the Liberal Democrats of previous years you could reach some sort of compromise with. Not so with the Liberal Progressives.
 

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1929 was caused by the actions of the FED not the Free Market, Nice try.

FDR policies are what made it the GREAT Depression.

:lamo
 

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Wrong.

The 1929 Stock Market crash happened because it was a market that was overbought, overvalued and excessively bullish, rising even as economic conditions were not supporting the advance. Added to the fact that there were no government regulations to prevent the crash from happening.

Part you say about the cause is true except you left out that the FED lowering interest rates and ignoring the danger signs is what caused it all.

Similar to the 2008 Housing Market Crash: Although there were many bad actors within the Private Banking Community it was government programs from Liberal Democrats that created the conditions for that catastrophe.
 

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@demsocialist ......go kill zombies on xbox, you are in over your head here.
 

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Re: Progressive Liberals

There are two types of Progressive Liberals:

1. Socialists attempting to lie about what they are.

2. Useful Idiots who join up because they think it’s cool or they like a social issue (abortion, gay rights). But they don’t realize they are giving support to the most destructive political/economic ideology the world has ever seen.

A close examination of the governing platforms of both Socialism and Communism shows the absolute only difference between the two is Socialist try to claim they can function without a Totalitarian Dictatorship.

The problem with that is Socialism is so antithetical to human nature that people have to be forced to do it. This can only happen with an all powerful centralized government controlling everything AKA a Totalitarian Dictatorship.
Good thing we do not have that in the US.
 

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Part you say about the cause is true except you left out that the FED lowering interest rates and ignoring the danger signs is what caused it all.

Nope.

There are numerous reasons why the 1929 Stock Market Crash happened, and from what I can find the FED lowering interest rates had nothing to do with it. The Federal Government did however ignore the destructive weight of private debt and the weaknesses within the banking and financial system.

So the Government as well as the Free Market both had a hand in causing the 1929 Stock Market Crash.


One reason for the crash was management’s disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices. This meant that workers and farmers were denied the benefits of increases within their own productivity. The consequence for this was the relative decline of mass purchasing power. So as goods flowed out of the expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, there was proportionately less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry the goods off the market. This destructive pattern of income distribution, in short, was incapable of long maintaining prosperity.

Another reason why is that after seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had “overbuilt” productive capacity (in terms of existing capacity to consume) and had thus ended up saturating the economy. The slackening of the automotive and building industries was symptomatic. The existing rate of capital formation could not be sustained without different governmental policies – policies aimed not at helping those who had money to accumulate more but at transferring money from those who were letting it stagnate in savings to those who would spend it.

Another reason for why the Crash happened is that the sucking off into profits and dividends of the gains of technology meant the tendency to use excess money for speculation, transforming the Stock Exchange from a securities market into a gaming house.

The Stock Market Crash completed the debacle. After Black Thursday, what rule was safe except Sauve qui peut? And businessmen, in trying to save themselves, could only wreck the system; in trying to avoid the worst, they rendered the worst inevitable. By shattering confidence, the crash knocked out any hope of automatic recovery.

So in short, the federal government had encouraged tax policies that contributed to over-saving, monetary policies that were expansive when prices were rising and, deflationary when prices began to fall, tariff policies that left foreign loans as the only prop for the export trade, and policies toward monopoly which fostered economic concentration, introduced rigidity into the markets and anaesthetized the price system. Representing the businessmen, the federal government had ignored the dangerous imbalance between farm and business income, between the increase in wages and the increase in productivity. Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities market. Representing the bankers, it had ignored the weight of private debt and the profound structural weaknesses in the banking and financial system. Seeing all problems from the viewpoint of business, it had mistaken the class interest for the national interest. The result was both a class and national disaster.
 

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@demsocialist ......go kill zombies on xbox, you are in over your head here.

Anyone that believe the Nazis were a bunch of Liberals should not even try describing the evils of "Liberals". What a waste of site bit space.
 

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1929 was caused by the actions of the FED not the Free Market, Nice try.

FDR policies are what made it the GREAT Depression.

wow...is this what happens when all your information comes from WND and radio shows like Rush and Sean?
 

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Capitalism needs that threat of force as well, though. Without a strong government or security force protecting the rich minority what would stop the workers from taking over the means of production? Without the threat of government force unions would kick the owners to the curb.

The fact that people don't want to go to jail? Not to mention at least in Western society we don't shoot the idiot protesters, unlike the "workers' states"
 
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